Is Four Years Enough For a Peaceful President?

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Is Four Years Enough For a Peaceful President?

So we learn in American Civics, presidents of the United States have more control in the foreign field than they do domestically. Certainly we see this with former President W when we compare his eight years with Obama's three.

Is Obama's promise of change wrapped in red tape, bouncing from Congress to pork barrels to committees? Or is he just not trying hard enough?

I, personally find it hard to believe that such an idealist has been shut down.

What do you think?

are you really suggesting that Obama is a peaceful president? Or that his ideology is underlined by a desire for peace?

I was unsure about that position, as well.

Obama may be considered every bit as violent and bad as Bush because of Bin Laden and that other dude he had killed...and his campaign in Afghanistan...

It's hard to call Obama peaceful in light of those. He's no different than Bush and in some regards he's worse because he killed two dudes via orders.

And he also lied/redacted his ideas about pulling out of Iraq super quick and closing down Guantanamo. So that would make him worse...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Obama may be considered every bit as violent and bad as Bush because of Bin Laden and that other dude he had killed...and his campaign in Afghanistan...

The CIA is currently active in over 100 nations, an expansion thanks to Obama. They have a "murder list" that contains the names of American citizens, like that "other dude", who are to be killed with no due process. Not to mention the treatment of Bradley Manning or the expansion of the war on drugs to now target legal medicinal marijuana dispensaries in California.

America is actively now, under Obama, waging war in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, and the administration is trying to use the "Iranian plot" to foment support for action in Iran and along the Mexican border.

not being critical of what you said, I just honestly feel that Obama is a very militant leader. It might be hard to compare to Bush because of apples and oranges, but man... if you think he is peaceful (i know you don't) you might be an ostrich

EDIT: whoops, forgot Libya

j.e.s.u.s.c.h.r.i.s.t.

YouTube video

so ya, if anyone thinks obama is a peaceful president, ive got something they can put in their mouth

Originally posted by inimalist
The CIA is currently active in over 100 nations, an expansion thanks to Obama. They have a "murder list" that contains the names of American citizens, like that "other dude", who are to be killed with no due process. Not to mention the treatment of Bradley Manning or the expansion of the war on drugs to now target legal medicinal marijuana dispensaries in California.

America is actively now, under Obama, waging war in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, and the administration is trying to use the "Iranian plot" to foment support for action in Iran and along the Mexican border.

not being critical of what you said, I just honestly feel that Obama is a very militant leader. It might be hard to compare to Bush because of apples and oranges, but man... if you think he is peaceful (i know you don't) you might be an ostrich

EDIT: whoops, forgot Libya

I don't think you're being critical of what I said. I think you're making my point but with much more examples.

And that "other guy"...I'll never remember his name. Ever. 😐

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think you're being critical of what I said. I think you're making my point but with much more examples.

And that "other guy"...I'll never remember his name. Ever. 😐

Anwar al-Awlaki

Originally posted by inimalist
Anwar al-Awlaki

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Spoiler:
I read the name 5 times in my head, in a row.

Then looked away from the screen, and still could not remember it.

Four years is enough for the president we have now. I reather it be alot shorter.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Four years is enough for the president we have now. I reather it be alot shorter.

I agree really, the sad thing is that the alternatives are probably worse. Oh well, I guess the US is screwed for at least 4 more years. Lets hope it won't be too late to turn it around.

Sorry, let me clarify. I didn't mean "Peaceful," persay, but rather not actively seeking war. Or am I just talking out of my arse and need to do some more research.
My idea was based on FDR and how much he was able to do because he served so many terms - and then comparing that to W actively seeking war/ declaration of war without congress' permission, etc.
I hope this makes more sense.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree really, the sad thing is that the alternatives are probably worse. Oh well, I guess the US is screwed for at least 4 more years. Lets hope it won't be too late to turn it around.

Bardock you live in Europe...

...don't you want Obama's cock or something?

Yes

Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree really, the sad thing is that the alternatives are probably worse. Oh well, I guess the US is screwed for at least 4 more years. Lets hope it won't be too late to turn it around.

I am glad that someone argees with me and yea I hope not. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Bardock you live in Europe...

...don't you want Obama's cock or something?

Nah, has been up America's ass far too long.

America's future is grim, considering the fact that ALL of the forerunners in the presidential candidacy are nutters.
They're far worse than Bush Jr.

That said, I will be definitely moving to Canada next year.
I heard they have a huge Fil-Am community there.

Anyone from Canada here? Where's the warmest weather in Canada?

West Coast

Re: Is Four Years Enough For a Peaceful President?

Originally posted by siriuswriter
So we learn in American Civics, presidents of the United States have more control in the foreign field than they do domestically. Certainly we see this with former President W when we compare his eight years with Obama's three.

Is Obama's promise of change wrapped in red tape, bouncing from Congress to pork barrels to committees? Or is he just not trying hard enough?

I, personally find it hard to believe that such an idealist has been shut down.

What do you think?

Obama...a president for idiots...voted by idiots.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Sorry, let me clarify. I didn't mean "Peaceful," persay, but rather not actively seeking war. Or am I just talking out of my arse and need to do some more research.

There is a difference, sure, as in, Obama is much more willing to use the CIA and proxies to fight wars, much like was done prior to W. Bush. He isn't invading nations with ground troops like Bush did, but he doesn't shy away from violence.

And even in terms of the "troops on the ground" definition of war, Obama has escalated the war in Afghanistan and will not be committing to a full pull-out from Iraq. He, with no congressional approval, began a bombing campaign in Libya, and his use of drone warfare is by far more illegal (under both American and international law) than were W. Bush's invasions.

So, in terms of "initiating-new-wars-specifically-defined-as-invading-with-ground-troops", no, Obama is not as "war-like" as Bush. In terms of using American military power, attacking foreign nations and flagrantly violating the rule of law, Obama has in fact expanded the Bush legacy and is now operating in a much more militaristic fashion than Bush ever did.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
My idea was based on FDR and how much he was able to do because he served so many terms - and then comparing that to W actively seeking war/ declaration of war without congress' permission, etc.
I hope this makes more sense.

Sure, and there are some valid arguments against term limits. However, I think you have pointed to a poor example of a president who "just needs more time"

It is incorrect to think that Obama isn't getting what he wants in terms of policy. He has capitulated to Republican and "right-of-center" interests from day one. This idea that he is being held back by republican intransigence is a talking point he is using on the campaign trail; it does not reflect reality at all.

Originally posted by WanderingDroid
Obama...a president for idiots...voted by idiots.

I agree with you that Obama is a bad president. But what makes him bad are the decisions he makes that are in line with what Republicans want of him. So Obama may have been a bad choice, but likely still better than McCain, who would have done at least the same.