Is Four Years Enough For a Peaceful President?

Started by dadudemon5 pages
Originally posted by Bardock42
I agree with you that Obama is a bad president. But what makes him bad are the decisions he makes that are in line with what Republicans want of him. So Obama may have been a bad choice, but likely still better than McCain, who would have done at least the same.

Good points.

Here are the things I think he did bad or morally wrong:

1. Wars (lol)
2. Not withdrawing troops.
3. Not closing gitmo.
4. Neutering his healthcare plan.
5. Not repealing the temporary tax breaks on the rich and/or reforming taxes.
6. Giving orders to kill a US citizen. 🙁

Those are all republican pushed policies/changes.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
Sorry, let me clarify. I didn't mean "Peaceful," persay, but rather not actively seeking war. Or am I just talking out of my arse and need to do some more research.
My idea was based on FDR and how much he was able to do because he served so many terms - and then comparing that to W actively seeking war/ declaration of war without congress' permission, etc.
I hope this makes more sense.
Actively sought war in Libya.

Originally posted by inimalist
West Coast

You are staying in Manitoba right now, rite? How is the weather conditions there? And how fast/how much is the 3.5G/4G there?

On second thought, Canada is headed by Queen Elizabeth.

I hate monarchy. **** those useless kings and queens.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
On second thought, Canada is headed by Queen Elizabeth.

I hate monarchy. **** those useless kings and queens.

But their profiles look so dapper on our money.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
On second thought, Canada is headed by Queen Elizabeth.

I hate monarchy. **** those useless kings and queens.

YouTube video

Though, I suppose that doesn't help Canada.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
On second thought, Canada is headed by Queen Elizabeth.

I hate monarchy. **** those useless kings and queens.

You do realise that it's pretty much a constatutional monarchy. QE2 has no real power here in the UK... and absolutely none in Canada. She's just a tourist attraction.

Re: Re: Is Four Years Enough For a Peaceful President?

Originally posted by WanderingDroid
Obama...a president for idiots...voted by idiots.

Lets hope the same idiots don't vote for him again. 🙂

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
Lets hope the same idiots don't vote for him again. 🙂
But do you think Herman Cain would be better? Do you think Rick Perry would be better?

Originally posted by Bardock42
But do you think Herman Cain would be better? Do you think Rick Perry would be better?

I think Mitt Romney would potentially be much better (or potentially much worse).

Too bad the Republican party is too stupid to realize he's the only candidate who really has a prayer of swaying independent voters.

It's like they don't realize that they only account for 25-30% of all voters and their candidates win elections based on how well they appeal to moderates and independents.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think Mitt Romney would potentially be much better (or potentially much worse).

Too bad the Republican party is too stupid to realize he's the only candidate who really has a prayer of swaying independent voters.

It's like they don't realize that they only account for 25-30% of all voters and their candidates win elections based on how well they appeal to moderates and independents.

I think Romney is going to win the nomination. I just put Cain and Perry cause they are insane.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think Mitt Romney would potentially be much better (or potentially much worse).

Too bad the Republican party is too stupid to realize he's the only candidate who really has a prayer of swaying independent voters.

It's like they don't realize that they only account for 25-30% of all voters and their candidates win elections based on how well they appeal to moderates and independents.


With 1/3rd of republicans saying they will never vote for a Mormon, whatever independent voters he may bring is a lost cause.

Sad...Obama is going to be a one term president because he's faced unprecedented pushback from republicans even when he includes their own fukin ideas in legislation. George II never got this treatment...Dubbya was barely a barely literate, treason committing bastard who purposely invaded the wrong country after 9/11 when it was common knowledge the hijackers were Saudis. He stole 2 elections and used the most horrific act ever on american soil to kick off 2 wars to make his posse even more filthy rich. I fully expected him to use his "Emperor" authority granted by the Patriot Act to stay in a third term but was thankfully spared from having to see him on the tube any more (at least on a regular basis). Idiots supported him like he was a godsend when in truth he made it very hard for intellectuals to respect the office of the president.

But Obama's the idiot president right? GTFOH...to quote a great american, "Republicans played hide and seek with Bin Laden fort 10 years and lost". Obama got him. He's consistently killed top terrorist leaders with air strikes even before he got Momar. Under Obama, U.S. intelligence has thwarted every attempt to hurt us on our soil since he took office, shoe bombers included. People are actually bitching about him killing an american who'd committed treason against the U.S. and couldn't be bought to justice when they would've applauded Dubbya for the all of the above.

Even though I believe Obama won't win reelection due to the economy, I can't wait to go vote in the general election anyway. And if ole Herman is your nominee, I'm gonna pull up a lawn chair just to enjoy the anguish on the face of closet racists who have to choose between not voting or voting for "one a em"

huh, I had heard about such Obama cock riding, but had yet to come across it first hand...

Originally posted by inimalist
huh, I had heard about such Obama cock riding, but had yet to come across it first hand...
Haha, sounds dirty.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Haha, sounds dirty.

and just like porn, it moves from entertaining to saddening when you realize it is someone's kid

😛

I joke, I joke

Originally posted by dadudemon

6. Giving orders to kill a US citizen. 🙁

I'm still unclear on that whole issue. Isn't it okay to kill someone engaging in rebellion according to the law?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm still unclear on that whole issue. Isn't it okay to kill someone engaging in rebellion according to the law?
Yeah.

question: Under which president did drone strikes, around the world - in nations America is not formally at war with (in fact the CIA is now active in over 100 nations) - increase to essentially "policy for combating terrorism"?

question: Which president, who initially called out the abuses of justice at Gitmo, created a policy of killing without due process?

question: Which president started a war in Libya without even getting a semblance of approval from congress?

to continue beating this dead horse, Glenn Greenwald:

http://www.salon.com/2011/11/02/the_human_toll_of_the_u_s_drone_campaign/singleton/

The human toll of the U.S. drone campaign

The principal reason so little attention is paid to the constant victims of American violence in the Muslim world is because the U.S. Government refuses to disclose anything about these attacks and media outlets virtually never report on those victims (MSNBC demoted and then fired its then-rising-star Ashleigh Banfield when she returned from Iraq and pointed out that fact in an April, 2003 speech denouncing the “one-sided” coverage of American wars: meaning, the invisibility in U.S. media of America’s civilian victims). It’s easy to cheer for a leader who regularly extinguishes the lives of innocent men, women, teeangers and young children when you can remain blissfully free of hearing about the victims. It’s even easier when the victims all have Muslim-ish names and live in the parts of the Muslim world we’ve been taught to view as a cauldron of sub-human demons. That’s why it’s periodically worth highlighting the actual impact of those drones and the actual people they kill, as the BBC did today:

[quote] When tribal elders from the remote Pakistani region of North Waziristan travelled to Islamabad last week to protest against CIA drone strikes, a teenager called Tariq Khan was among them.

A BBC team caught him on camera, sitting near the front of a tribal assembly, or jirga, listening carefully.

Four days later he was dead – killed by one of the drones he was protesting against.

His family told us two missiles hit the 16-year-old on Monday near Miranshah, the main town in North Waziristan. His 12-year-old cousin Wahid was killed alongside him. . . .

After the missile strike on Monday, Pakistani officials said four suspected militants had been killed.

If the strike actually killed two young boys – as appears to be the case – it’s unlikely anyone will ever be held to account. . . .

Many senior commanders from the Taliban and al-Qaeda are among the dead. But campaigners claim there have been hundreds of civilian victims, whose stories are seldom told.
A shy teenage boy called Saadullah is one of them. He survived a drone strike that killed three of his relatives, but he lost both legs, one eye and his hope for the future.

“I wanted to be a doctor,” he told me, “but I can’t walk to school anymore. When I see others going, I wish I could join them.”

Like Tariq, Saadullah travelled to Islamabad for last week’s jirga. Seated alongside him was Haji Zardullah, a white-bearded man who said he lost four nephews in a separate attack.

“None of these were harmful people,” he said. “Two were still in school and one was in college.”

The article quotes the international human rights lawyer Clive Stafford Smith arguing that because Pakistan is not a war zone, these killings are “murder.” That’s an argument that — in the extremely unlikely event it were ever heard in America’s establishment media organs — would be treated with mockery and contempt. Everyone knows that the American President cannot commit “murder”; that’s only for common criminals and Muslim dictators (whom the West starts to dislike). But however one wants to define these acts, the fact is that we have spent a full decade bringing violence to multiple countries in that region and — in all sorts of ways — ending the lives of countless innocent people. Outside of Iraq, that process over the last two years has acclerated in both frequency and geographic scope. And it has left in its wake a horde of dead-16-year-old Tariq Khans and half-blinded, double-amputee teenage Saadullahs about whom we hear almost nothing. But the people in that part of the world hear a lot about it, and that explains much about the vast discrepancy in perceptions between the two regions.

The New York Times and others love to complain that Pakistanis and “the Arab Street” are propagandized: crucial facts kept from them in order to distract attention from what their leaders are doing. It may be true that they are, but they are most certainly not alone in that.[/quote]

anyways, ostrich away, I'm amazed to see Obama's policies defended frankly...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I'm still unclear on that whole issue. Isn't it okay to kill someone engaging in rebellion according to the law?

The US government has provided no evidence about Al-Awlaki's connection to terrorism or rebellion.

in fact, the US government does not officially acknowledge that there is a drone program in the first place.

Any "news" you have heard about Al-Awlaki's connection to terrorism comes from "leaks" from official government sources to friendly reporters.

The issue is that it was done with absolutely no process at all, and the government refuses to acknowledge what Al-Awlaki has done, show their evidence against him, or provide any justification for their actions other than through anonymous leaks to press sources that are happy to repeat them unquestioningly.

There is an argument to be made about the specifics we know in the case, but ultimately, the problem is one of accountability in terms of how America deals with its own citizens. Without knowing the evidence, how can we be sure Al-Awlaki was really an insurgent and not just a radical who deserves his right to freedom of speech?