Originally posted by Q99
Her durability against impact, I.e. punches, kicks and what Thor is capable of dishing out here, is in Superman's class (in the literal sense that Checkmate rates them in the same class). She's also shown to keep fighting through a lot of damage even once she gets it.Durability's a small difference.
There's a very noticeable gap between Superman/Thor and Diana in durability.
Originally posted by Q99
Diana spars with Black Canary, Batman, Lady Shiva, etc., all of whom speak well of her on a purely skill basis. Thor doesn't have that.Now, go to weapons combat and that's Thor's speciality, but he just isn't the HtH connoisseur WW is.
I still have absolutely no clue why Wonder Woman fans bring up Batman when touting her skill based on their encounters, especially since in all of them she has her powers. Did we even see her fight Lady Shiva? IIRC, this is one of those showings that gets hyped but very underwhelming once seen. Losing the sparring match against Black Canary is probably the most impressive thing she's done in recent memory along with the Medusa fight.
I think there's little doubt she's more of a martial artist than Thor and her skill is highlighted more than Thor's (She's noticeably less powerful) but I've yet to see anything notable enough to think it gives her a big enough advantage to win here.
If Thor was depowered down to her levels or they were both streets, I have no doubt he'd match her in hand to hand just fine.
Originally posted by Q99
Not really, comic age vagueness and all that.
The sliding time line makes the current age of characters tricky -especially with things like Year One- but from what I remember from Perez' run and overall nods to past encounters, she was probably in her twenties like Clark/Bruce when she started out. There's also a restriction as to how old she can be by the time she left the island. She's named after a World War II pilots wife after all.
Not sure if anything has changed but words like centuries clearly have no business being anywhere near Diana in regards to age.
Re: Wonderwoman vs Thor (Hand to Hand)
Originally posted by Damborgson
Thor and Wonderwoman have equalized strength. They fight to KO or death. This is pure hand to hand skill contest with no other external powers or weapons. Who wins???
Equalized strength? So, Thor doesn't get to use his hammer, WW doesn't lose her super speed, and gains a strength advantage to boot?
This is unfair to Thor. WW doesn't need equalized strength or Thor losing his hammer powers to give him a hard fight, considering her speed advantage.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Speed and Strength were equalized Thor would win, he has better damage soak and he is a more skilled fighter, but as it stands WW has a sizable speed advantage that should net her a win in a melee altercation. If you placed them both in completely equal bodies, Thor would always come out on top.
I think Thor is just as formidable in hand to hand but I don't think we can say with any certainty that he's more skilled.
Originally posted by Bentley
What has Thor done to prove he has skills, does he know pressure points?
Since when does a character need to us pressure points to be skilled?
By that logic, Sif and Valkyrie (Both have used pressure points) are more skilled than Thor. Which I don't believe they are. At the end of the day, Thor's entire fighting style is different from someone like Diana's but I don't think anything she's done is beyond Thor, even pressure points. It's like comparing Captain America and Daredevil. Rogers is mostly simple while Matt is more stylized and flashier in terms of fighting but that doesn't mean Rogers is any less effective.
Yea, that's fine. I wouldn't be comfortable arguing that either as Diana is more of a martial artist and her skills are highlighted more often because there are crucial for her battles.
Originally posted by carver9
I can't believe this lasted this long. As much as I love Thor, he isn't beating Diana in a fist cuff fight. Diana stomps. Faster, just as strong, just as durable, and a far better fighter.
Haha, how did I miss this gem?
I think Thor has a pretty great shot. Sure but Thor can hang. Due to the stipulations. Not a chance. A far better fighter? I won't fault someone arguing that she has an edge in that category but it isn't large by any means.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Speed and Strength were equalized Thor would win, he has better damage soak and he is a more skilled fighter, but as it stands WW has a sizable speed advantage that should net her a win in a melee altercation. If you placed them both in completely equal bodies, Thor would always come out on top.
LOL are you serious?
WW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor in skill. She's possibly the best skilled fighter in the D.C. universe (above Batman). She is a master of the amazonian arts (which are superior to any Earthly art).
adding that she is faster as well then this is a no brainer.
IMO, WW would beat Thor in a straight up fight with all of there powers. Thus you know how I view this fight.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yea, that's fine. I wouldn't be comfortable arguing that either as Diana is more of a martial artist and her skills are highlighted more often because there are crucial for her battles.Haha, how did I miss this gem?
I think Thor has a pretty great shot. Sure but Thor can hang. Due to the stipulations. Not a chance. A far better fighter? I won't fault someone arguing that she has an edge in that category but it isn't large by any means.
I think Thor has a good shot too, in terms of pure skill. It's the speed thing that's the issue. The Op should have equalized strength and speed, if he wanted to debate about skill.
Originally posted by h1a8
LOL are you serious?WW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor in skill. She's possibly the best skilled fighter in the D.C. universe (above Batman). She is a master of the amazonian arts (which are superior to any Earthly art).
adding that she is faster as well then this is a no brainer.
IMO, WW would beat Thor in a straight up fight with all of there powers. Thus you know how I view this fight.
good thing Thor is an asgardian warrior and isnt an earthling warrior
yeah, i agree, you have no brains 😆 might i suggest amazon, maybe they have a sale on used brains.
Originally posted by h1a8Amazonian arts are Earthly ar-...never mind.
LOL are you serious?WW>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thor in skill. She's possibly the best skilled fighter in the D.C. universe (above Batman). She is a master of the amazonian arts (which are superior to any Earthly art).
adding that she is faster as well then this is a no brainer.
IMO, WW would beat Thor in a straight up fight with all of there powers. Thus you know how I view this fight.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If Speed and Strength were equalized Thor would win, he has better damage soak and he is a more skilled fighter, but as it stands WW has a sizable speed advantage that should net her a win in a melee altercation. If you placed them both in completely equal bodies, Thor would always come out on top.
BS like always. How is he more skilled?