Originally posted by Supra
Thor wins, he is on par with hulk for strength
Originally posted by Damborgson
[B]Thor and Wonderwoman have equalized strength.
at some points and is an ancient warrior who was been fighting for thousands of years.Lot of people forget Thor is a trained warrior and has great fighting ability and is much more then just his hammer and lightning. [/B]
Wonder Woman has thousands of years fighting experience too. She blew through 1,000 years fighting with Superman in a single campaign.
And to get her Wonder Woman position, Diana had to pit her skills against the best Amazon Warriors, who had centuries of experience on her.
Originally posted by cdtm
Wonder Woman has thousands of years fighting experience too. She blew through 1,000 years fighting with Superman in a single campaign.And to get her Wonder Woman position, Diana had to pit her skills against the best Amazon Warriors, who had centuries of experience on her.
OK but are we really saying now WW can beat Thor? Im gonna cry myself to sleep now and be depressed if thats the case.
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's from WW 194. Diana was amnesiac in that scene but her power was still intact.If you don't know, I asked him to post that scene. Obviously I read that arc.
Even you know how foolish you look with that rubbish apology for thor. Surfer healed thor completely in 193 and that army you mentioned was nothing but cannon fodder giants and trolls. I don't remember thor's stamina ever being in question.
As for superman analogy loki is not thor's peer, didn't attack thor directly with that masonry and thor was KTFO.
Your gamma rage has blinded you.
Okay, thanks.
Sure.
Point out to me where Surfer healed Thor completely? Thor was pretty much dead and Surfer infused a spark of life after the Odinson had been through a very trying series of trials. Loki's plan even revolved around Durok outlasting Thor:
http://i48.tinypic.com/29vxjrr.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/19mixg.jpg
And when Thor returned to Asgard:
http://i49.tinypic.com/29e39lg.jpg
With the state that he was in during this arc, Loki was very much Thor's peer. I thought you said you read the story? As a matter of fact, Loki also pointed out that it was Thor's battle weariness that made him finally fall, and he was only down for like a page. Couldn't have been more than a minute.
Another interesting note I'd like to point out that is never mentioned, is that Loki assaulted Thor mentally to set him off balance, probably because he was getting frustrated that Thor was doing okay against Durok:
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zyag3.jpg
Re-reading this arc, I have to admit that Loki is one cunning and totally evil son of a *****. Shit like this is why Fraction's Thor spin around in regards to redeeming Loki is so confusing. This guy at his worst, was a legitimate evil practically up there with Thanos and Darkseid.
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Didn't see that, my bad. So Thor's main advantage is neutralized but Diana's speed isn't? What kind of a Thor fan are you Damborgson?
No, experience is not debatable. Diana in modern continuity was born like a century ago or something? Thor in some interpretations was already a full fledged Thunder God while man had just emerged.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😐Didn't see that, my bad. So Thor's main advantage is neutralized but Diana's speed isn't? What kind of a Thor fan are you Damborgson?
No, experience is not debatable. Diana in modern continuity was born like a century ago or something? Thor in some interpretations was already a full fledged Thunder God while man had just emerged.
What I meant was, the human body can only do so many movements, and they are generally all the same amongst different people. A right hook (from a right handed person) will always be more powerful than a flicked wrist, and you don't have to have had 100s of fights worth of experience to know that.
A punch is a punch is a punch. There's a cutoff point after which it doesn't matter if you've had a century of fight experience, or thousands of years - I mean, they've even trained with and used the same weaponry for most of that time (so Thor isn't a weapons master like Constantine Drakon, for example. He's used melee weapons mostly).
Otherwise, we'd have no limits fallacy, where the older person (Ra's, for example) should automatically win.
No doubt; practice makes perfect, after all.
But are we to assume there's never a limit to how good you get? So someone with 5 years fight experience < someone with 10 years, I have no problem with that.
10 years < 50 years, no problem
50 years < 100 years, when the fighting style is still the same - will there really be more gains to be had?
100 years' experience < 500 years' experience, when you're fighting against the same style over and over again - first of all, I'd argue it may even be counter productive. Having a lifetime's worth of chess experience won't help you when you're then thrown up against an S Korean pro Starcraft player. Especially if the rules of chess have never changed in the 100 years you've been playing non-stop.
Secondly, much like chess, after a while you've pretty much exhausted every opening, every permutation there is. Sure, experience will expose you to all the dirty tricks and different methods of fighting there are out there, but your opponents will soon have exhausted all the same techniques. You're not going to learn anything new from your battles if you fought for an extra 100 years - a new method of punching/kicking.headbutting isn't going to be invented.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, thanks.Sure.
Point out to me where Surfer healed Thor completely? Thor was pretty much dead and Surfer infused a spark of life after the Odinson had been through a very trying series of trials. Loki's plan even revolved around Durok outlasting Thor:
http://i48.tinypic.com/29vxjrr.jpg
http://i48.tinypic.com/19mixg.jpgAnd when Thor returned to Asgard:
http://i49.tinypic.com/29e39lg.jpgWith the state that he was in during this arc, Loki was very much Thor's peer. I thought you said you read the story? As a matter of fact, Loki also pointed out that it was Thor's battle weariness that made him finally fall, and he was only down for like a page. Couldn't have been more than a minute.
Another interesting note I'd like to point out that is never mentioned, is that Loki assaulted Thor mentally to set him off balance, probably because he was getting frustrated that Thor was doing okay against Durok:
http://i45.tinypic.com/1zyag3.jpgRe-reading this arc, I have to admit that Loki is one cunning and totally evil son of a *****. Shit like this is why Fraction's Thor spin around in regards to redeeming Loki is so confusing. This guy at his worst, was a legitimate evil practically up there with Thanos and Darkseid.
What is the meaning of using two pointless scans of thor fighting durok means? We both know he nearly died from fighting him and I didn't find any evidence that surfer only a spark of life in thor. If you found a proof, I would gladly concede. But till then surfer completely healed thor as seen here
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ymadtc.jpg
Like I said thor is a big pansy for being worn out by fodder giants and trolls.
What? At no point was it mentioned that thor fought Loki as a peer and if some giants can wear thor out from class 100 level to Loki level of strength, he has a shitty stamina.
Also, loki didn't struck thor with that piece of masonry. He just struck masonry and debris flew out and struck him down. That's not like someone using an object to hit a character. He was KTFO, be it for one page or ten pages. The next time he wakes up its stated he was rising from unconsciousness. Also him getting worn down by trolls and getting KTFO by flying part of masonry is still a horrendous low showing. I don't have any interest in the rest of your rant and thanks for sucking out all the fun from this thread.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😐Didn't see that, my bad. So Thor's main advantage is neutralized but Diana's speed isn't? What kind of a Thor fan are you Damborgson?
No, experience is not debatable. Diana in modern continuity was born like a century ago or something? Thor in some interpretations was already a full fledged Thunder God while man had just emerged.
I agree with this ^.
Thor is stronger, more experience, just as skilled and more durable than Wonder Woman. Thor has been fighting for thousands of years, if Im not mistaken Thor is over 10,000 yrs old in earth years could be older in Asgard universe. Not saying WW will roll over for Thor, it's just Thor has more experience in brawl fight and a straight slug fest, and Thor damage soak ability is well above hers. WW is quicker and that's about it but it will keep her in the fight longer, if she trades blow with Thor she will get beat down, Thor striking power is greater than hers. Thor 7/10
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
😐Didn't see that, my bad. So Thor's main advantage is neutralized but Diana's speed isn't? What kind of a Thor fan are you Damborgson?
No, experience is not debatable. Diana in modern continuity was born like a century ago or something? Thor in some interpretations was already a full fledged Thunder God while man had just emerged.
I agree Thor is more experienced.
Diana made her career against those with more experience though. Plus, the experience gap is somewhat made of for in the gifts from the gods that resulted in her creation, the same way Captain Marvel has the Wisdom of Solomon.
Originally posted by the DarkoneIn this thread strength is equalized. Experience means nothing if it doesn't add skill. We all know that WW's skill is superior to Thor's (not debatable). Any MA street leveler can beat Thor in h2h provided they have equal stats. Experience means nothing.
I agree with this ^.Thor is stronger, more experience, just as skilled and more durable than Wonder Woman. Thor has been fighting for thousands of years, if Im not mistaken Thor is over 10,000 yrs old in earth years could be older in Asgard universe. Not saying WW will roll over for Thor, it's just Thor has more experience in brawl fight and a straight slug fest, and Thor damage soak ability is well above hers. WW is quicker and that's about it but it will keep her in the fight longer, if she trades blow with Thor she will get beat down, Thor striking power is greater than hers. Thor 7/10
It's debatable that Thor is more durable than WW against getting punched in the face. Assuming he is then it's not by a lot. Thor's striking power without Mjolnir is not greater than her's. Her skill + strength combo gives her the ability to seriously hurt Superman.
With that said, you underestimate speed which trumps all other attributes.
WW is more skilled and faster
Strength is equalized here.
Thus fight isn't fair.
A better fight would be to equalize speed instead. And allow WW's superior skill against Thor's superior strength (not in my opinion of course).
