New JLA Superman vs SBP

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Originally posted by -Pr-
Well he did get from Central City to Metropolis in the space of a panel.

We don't have a full idea of how powerful this Flash is. He DID state that he'd never been hit before, so for Superman to do it was obviously an achievement.

Possibly same flash. He could just mean that in this timeline he's never been touched before as he does/did have both/all 3 timelines in his head as of the end of Flashpoint. Also I don't think Flash was really trying there and got a bit surprised is all. It's not like he was actually trying to fight superman.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Possibly same flash. He could just mean that in this timeline he's never been touched before as he does/did have both/all 3 timelines in his head as of the end of Flashpoint. Also I don't think Flash was really trying there and got a bit surprised is all. It's not like he was actually trying to fight superman.

I didn't read Flashpoint, so I wouldn't know.

He didn't seem like he was trying to fight, but it struck me that he was genuinely surprised by how fast Superman was.

Originally posted by -Pr-
That wasn't a bad one, I agree.

I know Morrison isn't a huge fan of the idea, but I think with the right writers and the right angle, it could work.

Honestly I don't care for Diana/Clark. It ruins the idea that Clark is more human than human while being above and beyond at the same time. Honestly I like the idea of the classic paragon persona in a relationship with a normal woman and the problems that goes with it. Constant self control, quite literally the potential to be perfect by his significant others standards and the idea that such perfection may not be the best thing for a relationship as it makes the other persons flaws all the more apparent when they have to constantly be around the ideal person who can really do no wrong. It's like being around that person who has to obsessively correct every tiny little detail down to the way the last strand of hair falls leaving the comb.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Honestly I don't care for Diana/Clark. It ruins the idea that Clark is more human than human while being above and beyond at the same time. Honestly I like the idea of the classic paragon persona in a relationship with a normal woman and the problems that goes with it. Constant self control, quite literally the potential to be perfect by his significant others standards and the idea that such perfection may not be the best thing for a relationship as it makes the other persons flaws all the more apparent when they have to constantly be around the ideal person who can really do no wrong. It's like being around that person who has to obsessively correct every tiny little detail down to the way the last strand of hair falls leaving the comb.

See, I disagree with that.

I think Diana is the one person with which he wouldn't have to "be" a Superman. I will agree that there was benefit to him being with Lois, that "normal woman" syndrome, but I think it's been done enough that it's time for a change.

I think the wonderful thing about Clark and Diana is that they don't necessarily have to be Superman or Wonder Woman with one another; they can just be themselves. He's the one man that is her equal, and if you've watched Mallrats, well...

I think they'd bring out a side in each other that they wouldn't necessarily show to others. They could be weak with one another. Both of them know what it's like to have to be that perfect icon, so to be able to not be that would be a great thing for both of them, I think. I think they knew each other well enough that they didn't expect the other to be perfect, but with the new DC, I don't know if that's as feasible.

All in all, I think that with Lois, as much as he loved her, there was always that "i'm her shining knight" aspect for him. With someone like Diana, he can take a break from that, which is something I think he needs tbh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I didn't read Flashpoint, so I wouldn't know.

He didn't seem like he was trying to fight, but it struck me that he was genuinely surprised by how fast Superman was.

Yeah it's implied that he's removed from timeline altercations/time itself now. Zoom went on about how he had accidentally removed him from time which was why he could alter the timeline and remember what had happened and Barry remembered the prior timeline where he had his mother and his marriage.

Originally posted by Uriel005
Honestly I don't care for Diana/Clark. It ruins the idea that Clark is more human than human while being above and beyond at the same time. Honestly I like the idea of the classic paragon persona in a relationship with a normal woman and the problems that goes with it. Constant self control, quite literally the potential to be perfect by his significant others standards and the idea that such perfection may not be the best thing for a relationship as it makes the other persons flaws all the more apparent when they have to constantly be around the ideal person who can really do no wrong. It's like being around that person who has to obsessively correct every tiny little detail down to the way the last strand of hair falls leaving the comb.

Actually Diana/Clark makes more sense than Lois/Clark. I mean seriously, how many times can Lois be kidnapped in one story.

Lois never made Clark more human, then his parents already did.

Clark and Diana would work because there equals in all categories, then can watch each others back, and there not a burden on the other.

Even better, Clark and Diana doesn't have to hold back in the sack, hell Frank Miller did it best in the Dark Knight Returns when Clark and Diana was causing Earthquake while doing the nasty.

notworthy

Originally posted by Uriel005
Yeah it's implied that he's removed from timeline altercations/time itself now. Zoom went on about how he had accidentally removed him from time which was why he could alter the timeline and remember what had happened and Barry remembered the prior timeline where he had his mother and his marriage.

Ah. Crazy.

Never read Flash Point, was it any good?

Originally posted by SquallX
Never read Flash Point, was it any good?
Didn't care for it. I've been praying for a flash nerf with the reboot but it looks like Flashpoint is actually buffing Barry...
Spoiler:
Zoom told him that the reason why he (Zoom) could alter time was because Barry accidentally knocked him out of it. So he remembers all the changes and is unaffected by any change to the timestream. One of the big issues of Flashpoint is that Barry didn't want to forget his memories with his mother and his wife if he corrected the time stream. At the end of Flashpoint he keeps his memories as well as shows increased willingness to use some of his other powers i.e. timetravel.
Originally posted by Uriel005
Didn't care for it. I've been praying for a flash nerf with the reboot but it looks like Flashpoint is actually buffing Barry...
Spoiler:
Zoom told him that the reason why he (Zoom) could alter time was because Barry accidentally knocked him out of it. So he remembers all the changes and is unaffected by any change to the timestream. One of the big issues of Flashpoint is that Barry didn't want to forget his memories with his mother and his wife if he corrected the time stream. At the end of Flashpoint he keeps his memories as well as shows increased willingness to use some of his other powers i.e. timetravel.
Spoiler:
So Flashpoint Barry is DCNU Barry is pre reboot Barry?

Originally posted by -Pr-
Spoiler:
So Flashpoint Barry is DCNU Barry is pre reboot Barry?
essentially.

Originally posted by Uriel005
essentially.

lol @ JL Supes, then.

Originally posted by -Pr-
lol @ JL Supes, then.
He knows not what he has done with that little finger of his... He almost unleashed a beast far beyond him....

Wanna see that stomping noobie superman vs. all abilities Flash....

aww_yeah

Originally posted by Uriel005
Possibly same flash. He could just mean that in this timeline he's never been touched before as he does/did have both/all 3 timelines in his head as of the end of Flashpoint. Also I don't think Flash was really trying there and got a bit surprised is all. It's not like he was actually trying to fight superman.
Different Barry in Justice League time, which is years before Barry returned from his Flashpoint travels with all three timeline memories.

So no matter what, his history's changed. How that ends up affecting his powers/experience, if at all, remains to be seen. He does seem a little green with vibrating in his solo series though (which, if I understand, is set during the present).

Originally posted by -Pr-
See, I disagree with that.

I think Diana is the one person with which he wouldn't have to "be" a Superman. I will agree that there was benefit to him being with Lois, that "normal woman" syndrome, but I think it's been done enough that it's time for a change.

I think the wonderful thing about Clark and Diana is that they don't necessarily have to be Superman or Wonder Woman with one another; they can just be themselves. He's the one man that is her equal, and if you've watched Mallrats, well...

I think they'd bring out a side in each other that they wouldn't necessarily show to others. They could be weak with one another. Both of them know what it's like to have to be that perfect icon, so to be able to not be that would be a great thing for both of them, I think. I think they knew each other well enough that they didn't expect the other to be perfect, but with the new DC, I don't know if that's as feasible.

All in all, I think that with Lois, as much as he loved her, there was always that "i'm her shining knight" aspect for him. With someone like Diana, he can take a break from that, which is something I think he needs tbh.

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Originally posted by SquallX
Actually Diana/Clark makes more sense than Lois/Clark. I mean seriously, how many times can Lois be kidnapped in one story.

Lois never made Clark more human, then his parents already did.

Clark and Diana would work because there equals in all categories, then can watch each others back, and there not a burden on the other.

Even better, Clark and Diana doesn't have to hold back in the sack, hell Frank Miller did it best in the Dark Knight Returns when Clark and Diana was causing Earthquake while doing the nasty.

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One of my favorite interactions between Diana and Clark was during JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare(the mini-series that paved the way for Morrison's amazing JLA run) They believed they were simple humans in a world full of meta-humans and it took Clark to wake Diana up from that dream. Clark was single during that run too.

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As for Barry and Flashpoint...I am so FKN confused that I don't even know where to begin.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Different Barry in Justice League time, which is years before Barry returned from his Flashpoint travels with all three timeline memories.

So no matter what, his history's changed. How that ends up affecting his powers/experience, if at all, remains to be seen. He does seem a little green with vibrating in his solo series though (which, if I understand, is set during the present).

Gotta love temporal mechanics.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
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One of my favorite interactions between Diana and Clark was during JLA: A Midsummer's Nightmare(the mini-series that paved the way for Morrison's amazing JLA run) They believed they were simple humans in a world full of meta-humans and it took Clark to wake Diana up from that dream. Clark was single during that run too.

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As for Barry and Flashpoint...I am so FKN confused that I don't even know where to begin.

Don't think I read that...

Originally posted by SquallX
Never read Flash Point, was it any good?
I'd recommend reading the Project Superman and Citizen Cold tie-ins. Those were quite good.

As for this thread: it's WAY too early to accurately gauge post-reboot Superman's powerset. Therefore, Prime wins.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'd recommend reading the Project Superman and Citizen Cold tie-ins. Those were quite good.

As for this thread: it's WAY too early to accurately gauge post-reboot Superman's powerset. Therefore, Prime wins.

That's why most of us changed the subject.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'd recommend reading the Project Superman and Citizen Cold tie-ins. Those were quite good.

As for this thread: it's WAY too early to accurately gauge post-reboot Superman's powerset. Therefore, Prime wins.

I'd have to agree here. Need to see what exactly he's capable of but in terms it seemed like a bit of a lucky shot on a Barry who wasn't really trying too hard so I wouldn't call him Flash in speed, however the fact that he tagged a flash who claimed up until that point had never been tagged is still quite impressive.