I have mixed feelings on his death.
It would have been nice if he could have let his pride go and just given up to get asylum somewhere.
He could have saved the lives of the supporters that are and will continue to die in vain if he told them to "move on" and gave up. Maybe I'm blinded because I'm aproaching this with a "life is sacred" and "I'd care about my people" type of attitude. But I wanted this to go down a bit differently.
Originally posted by Robtard
It's not homo if you close your eyes.
No, it's when you kiss.
Originally posted by Digi
lol, normal. Normal is the dictatorship they've been under for decades. I hope they actually manage free elections without a bunch of controversy.
Hilarious.
Yeah, 'dictatorship' that had better healthcare and education system than many places in Europe or America.
I hope NATO chokes on the oil they stole from Libya. Gaddafi was a leader loved by his people. These ''rebels'' with connections to Al-Quaida are supported by the NATO and Anglo-American imperial machine...and that will backfire just like Taliban did.
Rather than being a 'dictator', I am inclined to believe that he was 'taken care of' as he not so long ago he unveiled his plan to start trading oil in actual gold instead of the dollar. This would sagnificantly aid the African and Middle Eastern countries and would not be favourable for the Ameros or Euros (clearly).
Same with Saddam who publicly said he'd like to stop trading in dollars and start trading in euros...and we know how that ended.
Originally posted by SamZED
The difference with Syria, I know for a fact people actually support Asad. The "oppoisition" is a minority so if anyone really cared about what people want, he'd stay in power. Unfortunately, we all know this has nothing to do with freedom and with what people want.
I support Assad too, and I am happy Russia grew some balls and finally stepped in and veto'd the proposed ''attack'' on Syria.
Originally posted by REXXXX
Yes, Gaddafi is no more. Saw the video on al-Jazeera. Yeesh.I think this will be good for the Libyan people. Yes, Gaddafi did a lot for them, but he had reached the point where he was no longer doing good things for them. He was a tyrannical dictator who did lots of bad things.
As for Majid... I don't tolerate the racism crap. Watch what you say.
I missed you. cry
Originally posted by SamZED
I pray to God that doesnt happen to Assad. He's no saint but his rule beats the altetrantive.
More importantly the other Arab leaders are starting to see that isn't true.
Assad's continued rule is a destabilizing factor, not a stabilizer.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not advocating military intervention in Syria at this point, but I do think Assad needs to go, he's a brutal tyrant imposing minority Shia rule on the Sunni majority.
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Hilarious.Yeah, 'dictatorship' that had better healthcare and education system than many places in Europe or America.
I hope NATO chokes on the oil they stole from Libya. Gaddafi was a leader loved by his people. These ''rebels'' with connections to Al-Quaida are supported by the NATO and Anglo-American imperial machine...and that will backfire just like Taliban did.
Rather than being a 'dictator', I am inclined to believe that he was 'taken care of' as he not so long ago he unveiled his plan to start trading oil in actual gold instead of the dollar. This would sagnificantly aid the African and Middle Eastern countries and would not be favourable for the Ameros or Euros (clearly).
Same with Saddam who publicly said he'd like to stop trading in dollars and start trading in euros...and we know how that ended.
Yet it was a dictatorship despite good schooling and healthcare systems.
Gaddafi was loved; he was also hated, especially from the relatives of his own people he had tortured and/or killed due to speaking out against him. The guy was basically a supafly gangster, took what he wanted, when he wanted.
No, he was a dictator by the very definition of the word. Possible, sounds more like a conspiracy.
Saddam was loved to by many of his people, doesn't mean he wasn't known to be a dictator too.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Dictator is no a bad word, Robtard.You're looking for Tyrannical Dictator.
Yes, I know and that wasn't my point. Just that Gaddafi was a dictator by the very definition of the word.
No, I am not. Dictator can also imply negative sentiments along with the 'absolute rule' aspect.
Insane dictator...
...and its not as if the Western Powers instigated the uprising, they just found their opportunity to get rid of Gadaffi. I hold no illusions of the west's intentions being pure, but there's no mistaking that Libya is better off without the guy.
To hell with health care if you live in an arbitrary police state.
LMAO I just saw LB claiming Gadaffi was loved by the Libyan people.
If that were the case Tripoli, his supposed stronghold and place where he was most supported outside of Sirtre wouldn't have capitulated the instant rebels appeared at the gates.
There's a fallacy in assessing a leader's popularity when said leader rules by fear. Are there going to be some who legitimately support him? Yeah, Sirtre showed that. But do most genuinely support him who claim they do when his men are in earshot? 😬
Originally posted by RobtardI dont hate jews and I dont hate "evil America". But im not surprisded you think that way. That's a typical opinion of a brainwashed person. "Somebody doesnt agree with Israel's policy = hates freedom, supports terrorists and is anti-semitic". Its like saying - You dont like fascism so you must hate all germans. They spend a lot of money on information war, so its not really your fault, you're a victim like many others.
Lack of basic freedoms for people is awesome, eh. Easy to say when you're not in it. Yes, I understand you hate Jews and the Evil America-Israel Empire blah, blah, blah, it's so 2007 though.Correct, not every country needs it, just some would be better off, like Libya.
Yeah, and look how greatly it turned out so far. For Iraq and I bet Libyia will be a land of the free in no time.
Sarcasm aside, "easy to say cause you're not there". Ive been there. There's no "lack of basic freedoms". Media makes you believe people live in fear and terror just so noone would complain when country goes straight to hell after you force your model of democracy on it. Take Syria for example. Newsflash. People live fine there, go to cafes, restaurants, spend time in internet clubs, pretty much enjoy their lives. They're not supressed or terrorized. Its not easy to get a job or start a buiseness and taxes are pretty high, true. But that's the case in many countries. That's pretty much it. Again, id rather it stayed that way than have it flushed down the toilet thanks to the "freedom".
Originally posted by lil bitchinessSame here. Unfortunately Russia (forgive me for using such turm) is a political prostitute. There's no telling where it will stand tomorrow.
I support Assad too, and I am happy Russia grew some balls and finally stepped in and veto'd the proposed ''attack'' on Syria.
Originally posted by Omega VisionHis father was a brutal tyrant. Bashar, I wouldnt say so. He's just a dictator who's holding onto his power. And for a good reason seeing how the majority still supports him. THere's no denying this man has done a lot for the country, heck people didnt know what a cell-phone is untill he came along. If he's overthrown a number of things can happen. First of all, thousands of palestinians might very well get kicked out of the country or lose their right. The state itself might get divided. Or if not it will be ran by a puppet leader. Which cant be good for arab countries. One thing for sure, there wont be any stability once he's gone.
I don't think that's true at this point.More importantly the other Arab leaders are starting to see that isn't true.
Assad's continued rule is a destabilizing factor, not a stabilizer.
Edit: To clarify, I'm not advocating military intervention in Syria at this point, but I do think Assad needs to go, he's a brutal tyrant imposing minority Shia rule on the Sunni majority.
Originally posted by SamZED
His father was a brutal tyrant. Bashar, I wouldnt say so. He's just a dictator who's holding onto his power. And for a good reason seeing how the majority still supports him. THere's no denying this man has done a lot for the country, heck people didnt know what a cell-phone is untill he came along. If he's overthrown a number of things can happen. First of all, thousands of palestinians might very well get kicked out of the country or lose their right. The state itself might get divided. Or if not it will be ran by a puppet leader. Which cant be good for arab countries. One thing for sure, there wont be any stability once he's gone.
The state is divided, some of his soldiers are mutinying because they don't want to shoot their own people so that Assad can stay in power.
And lol thousands of Palestinians have already been forced from their camps. 😂
Saudi Arabia and Turkey are quickly losing their patience, I still don't think either will advocate military intervention but I also don't think they'll be sad to see him go.
Originally posted by WanderingDroid
This is one dictator's death the Europeans aren't going to bitchy and moan for....us godawful American War-mongers....*cough*
It's almost like issues are....complex...not just black and white....that...that maybe there are more points to consider...that we have to decide on a case by case basis...
Originally posted by SamZED
I dont hate jews and I dont hate "evil America". But im not surprisded you think that way. That's a typical opinion of a brainwashed person. "Somebody doesnt agree with Israel's policy = hates freedom, supports terrorists and is anti-semitic". Its like saying - You dont like fascism so you must hate all germans. They spend a lot of money on information war, so its not really your fault, you're a victim like many others.Yeah, and look how greatly it turned out so far. For Iraq and I bet Libyia will be a land of the free in no time.
Sarcasm aside, "easy to say cause you're not there". Ive been there. There's no "lack of basic freedoms". Media makes you believe people live in fear and terror just so noone would complain when country goes straight to hell after you force your model of democracy on it. Take Syria for example. Newsflash. People live fine there, go to cafes, restaurants, spend time in internet clubs, pretty much enjoy their lives. They're not supressed or terrorized. Its not easy to get a job or start a buiseness and taxes are pretty high, true. But that's the case in many countries. That's pretty much it. Again, id rather it stayed that way than have it flushed down the toilet thanks to the "freedom".
I totally agree with everything you just said, Sam.
Never knew you were Muslim, to be honest ive never even know any Russian Muslims.
The Arabs need to realize that 'democracy' is nothing but another way to rule and control the Middle East and steal its natural resources (Oil & Gas)
Shame that the Arabs pretty much destroyed the Caliphate (with European help) in the 1920s against the Ottoman Empire. They would have been much better off than now.
The sheer fact that it's these dicatators' own people that are actively trying to overthrow them, pretty much shits all over any of the ideas that have been presented in this thread, in regads to these guys being great leaders or whatever.
Libya and Syria aren't rebelling because of western interests. They're rebelling because they don't like their leaders.