Gaddafi Captured and/or Dead?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
The sheer fact that it's these dicatators' own people that are actively trying to overthrow them, pretty much shits all over any of the ideas that have been presented in this thread, in regads to these guys being great leaders or whatever.

Libya and Syria aren't rebelling because of western interests. They're rebelling because they don't like their leaders.

Let's not pretend for a single second that Russia and China support Assad because he's a just leader, they support him because he buys their weapons and because he's not a western puppet or a religious extremist. They don't give two shits at the end of the day whether he's oppressive, and why would they? Putin and Hu are also dictators, just of a more subtle and successful variety.

Gaddafi is dead i wathced the real video.
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Originally posted by SamZED
I dont hate jews and I dont hate "evil America". But im not surprisded you think that way. That's a typical opinion of a brainwashed person. "Somebody doesnt agree with Israel's policy = hates freedom, supports terrorists and is anti-semitic". Its like saying - You dont like fascism so you must hate all germans. They spend a lot of money on information war, so its not really your fault, you're a victim like many others.

Yeah, and look how greatly it turned out so far. For Iraq and I bet Libyia will be a land of the free in no time.

Sarcasm aside, "easy to say cause you're not there". Ive been there. There's no "lack of basic freedoms". Media makes you believe people live in fear and terror just so noone would complain when country goes straight to hell after you force your model of democracy on it. Take Syria for example. Newsflash. People live fine there, go to cafes, restaurants, spend time in internet clubs, pretty much enjoy their lives. They're not supressed or terrorized. Its not easy to get a job or start a buiseness and taxes are pretty high, true. But that's the case in many countries. That's pretty much it. Again, id rather it stayed that way than have it flushed down the toilet thanks to the "freedom".

Oh goody, a "you're brainwashed by the media" retort, what an easy out for you.

Rome wasn't built in a day. There's also the fact that powerful politics are in play trying to make Iraq fail. Let guess, you also think Saddam was good for Iraq?

LoL, a "I've been there, man!" argument. Visiting a country is far different then living in a country and even if you're a Libyan, obviously not everyone in a country is off the same way. Not every Ugandan is eating garbage and has had a limb hacked-off, right.

Dead, Bin is not though. I dont buy Obamas crap.

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh goody, a "you're brainwashed by the media" retort, what an easy out for you.

Rome wasn't built in a day. There's also the fact that powerful politics are in play trying to make Iraq fail. Let guess, you also think Saddam was good for Iraq?

LoL, a "I've been there, man!" argument. Visiting a country is far different then living in a country and even if you're a Libyan, obviously not everyone in a country is off the same way. Not every Ugandan is eating garbage and has had a limb hacked-off, right.

Lo and behold when the rebels are at the gates his army suddenly collapses and the people run out of their houses to embrace the rebels. Suddenly maybe 10% of the city supports Gadaffi and by the time Tripoli is under rebel control that number gets decimated.

http://news.yahoo.com/libya-declared-free-gadhafi-death-questioned-192557748.html

From one dictator to the next. That's the way it goes...

Give it a decade or so, and we'll be seeing Mustafa Abdul-Jalil's name added to the list of regional despots.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Give it a decade or so, and we'll be seeing Mustafa Abdul-Jalil's name added to the list of regional despots.

Well it does sound terrory.

Originally posted by Lestov16
http://news.yahoo.com/libya-declared-free-gadhafi-death-questioned-192557748.html

From one dictator to the next. That's the way it goes...

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You can't be a dictator if you have to answer to others. Mustafa Abdul-Jalil is not "the leader". He's the head of a council, which means he has the most influence. Doesn't mean he can go above the head of the other council members.

Unless you're just so cynical that you want to predict some kind of Star War'sy "dissolve the senate" type of thing.

Jalil threatened to give up leadership several times during the Civil War. I don't think there's any danger of him becoming a dictator.

Now if someone were to Trotsky him...

By now everyone on the internet has seen the video and heard how Gaddafi was sexually assaulted before he was executed. It's nice to see the puppet Government installed by the west have already become what they said they were fighting against.

Originally posted by Daddy Truth
By now everyone on the internet has seen the video and heard how Gaddafi was sexually assaulted before he was executed. It's nice to see the puppet Government installed by the west have already become what they said they were fighting against.

Sorry, I don't watch gay porn, buddy. That's your bag.

I was going to say something pretty screwed up, but instead, I just want to say that he was a very evil man.

Originally posted by Stoic
I was going to say something pretty screwed up, but instead, I just want to say that he was a very evil man.

Where do you think he falls on the scale of Ultimate Evil? Hitler? Pol Pot? Stalin? John Wayne Gacy? Gandhi?

Mother Teresa evil.

Originally posted by Robtard
Where do you think he falls on the scale of Ultimate Evil? Hitler? Pol Pot? Stalin? John Wayne Gacy? Gandhi?

Worse than Hitler most likely. The reason I say that is that both Hitler and Guadaffi took control of their respective countries and did great things for their economy and global prestige, both increased the standards of living dramatically. Both killed many of their own people (though in Guadaffi's case it was mostly about maintaining his power and crushing dissidents while in Hitler's case it was more about "racial purity" than culling dissidents (though there was lots of that too)) and both ultimately ruined their nations yet we never saw the German people (until after the war) grow to hate Hitler like the Libyan people grew to hate Guadaffi within his lifetime.

Maybe I'm missing a lot of variables, but that seems to say quite a bit about their respective "evilness" to me.

Guadaffi was so corrupt and brutish and simple minded that even though he made his nation the most developed in all of Africa the large majority of the population hated him whether secretly or publicly.