The entire Trans Tier (as per the tierings here at KMC) vs Kubik and The Shaper...

The entire Trans Tier (as per the Tierings here at KMC) vs Kubik and The Shaper of Worlds under the following conditions:

1) Every single member of the Trans Tier is bloodlusted and will do any and everything in their power to destroy Kubik and The Shaper...

2) The Trans Tier has 1 hour of prep...

3) Kubik and The Shaper have a full day of prep; with this day, they are provided with complete knowledge of the strengths and weaknesses of every being they'll be facing in the Trans Tier and will have the opportunity to form a strategy based on that knowledge...

Fight to the Death or KO...no BFR...who wins?

can you make a list of the trans tier? because you know its kinda debatble who is trans and who isnt so it could help if you could be more specific

As per the Tierings here at KMC:

Amazo, Appolyon, The Asgardian Destroyer,Black Racer, Blackheart, Blaze, Circe, Count Abyss, Death Urge, Despero, The Doctor, Dr. Fate, Dr. Strange (classic), Eclipso, Elders of the Universe (minus Ego), Fernus, The General (Shaggy Man), Gog, Gray Man, High Evolutionary, Ion (current), Jenny Quantum, The Keeper, King Thor, Magus (original), Mangog, Mongul I (Pre Crisis), Nightmare, Onimar Synn, Onslaught, Queen of Fables, Resurrection Man 1 Million, Sentinel (Alan Scott), Silver Age Kryptonians/Daxamites, Solomon Grundy (Peak), Solusandra, Stayne, Strange Visitor, Sun Eater, Superboy Prime, Superman 1 Million, Takion, Tanaraq, Thanos, Tyrant (powered down), Validus

They can probably take shaper. Dunno about kubik

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder

Superman 1 Million

what??? oh hell no , superman 1 million is at least a high skyfather his feats are by far above trans read about the guy before you post something like that

Originally posted by red_turtle
what??? oh hell no , superman 1 million is at least a high skyfather his feats are by far above trans read about the guy before you post something like that

That list is years old. It was closed because it stopped serving it function. I'm surprised people still use it for anything more than a shared vocabulary. The conversation in this thread so far is exactly indicative of the conversation in every thread that tries to use it.

They probably win though against the duo.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not high skyfather 😐

he is AT LEAST a high skyfather boy

Originally posted by red_turtle
he is AT LEAST a high skyfather boy

Solusandra and Appolyon were considered trans level back then? I would've picked either one to beat or stalemate cube beings tbh.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not on that level at all son

kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect

here is the official DC tear list and superman 1 million is in the same category as mxy batmite and the great tree under tier 8, he is described to be not only above a skyfather but also above elder gods

Tier 1 - [ 1st Class Beyond ]:

The Over-Monitor/ Over-Mind/ Overvoid
The Presence ( Yahweh / Elaine Belloc)

- Tier 2 - [ 1st Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

Meshta
The Great Evil Beast
Rama Kushna
The Source
Synnar
Ultimate Darkness
Ultimate Light

- Tier 3 - [ 2nd Class Multiversal Abstract Entity ]:

Lucifer Morningstar
Michael Demiurgos

- Tier 4 - [ 3rd Class Multiversal Entity ]:

Anti-Monitor (full form)
Death (of The Endless)
Mandrakk the Dark Monitor (Dax Novu)
Superman Prime (with the Monitor/Cosmic Armor)
Ultimator (10th Dimensional being)

- Tier 5 - [ 1st Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ]:

Anti-Life Entity
Carnivore
Ion Entity
Kismet (JLA / Avengers crossover)
Parallax Entity
Phantom Stranger
Maldoor, The Dark Lord
Shattered Gods
Spectre (fully powered)
Una, the Cosmic Worm of Heaven and Hell

- Tier 6 - [ 2nd Class Universal Abstract Entity Dimensional God ]:

Decreator
Eclipso (fully powered)
Endless, The ( Destiny, Dream. Destruction, Desire, Despair, Delirium)
Godwave
King Of Tears
Koth Sugoth
Lords of Hell within their realm ( Azmodus, Neron, Satan, Satannish, Satanus, Shaitan)
Superman-Prime (DC One Million)
Trigon (within his realm)

- Tier 7 - [ High Level Metaphysical Semi-Abstract ]:

Archangel Gabriel
Eclipso (high powered)
Infinite Man
Spectre (high powered)
Time Trapper
Darkseid (The Great Darkness Saga)

- Tier 8 - [ "Minor Omnipotent" Level]:

The 5th Dimensional Imps
Mr. Mxyzptlk
Lkz
Yz
Bat-Mite
Qwsp
The Great Tree
Kal Kent (5th Dimensional Queen Powered Superman)

- Tier 9 - [ Metaphysical Semi-Abstract level ]:

Spectre (average)
The Lurker
Krona
The Word (The Cosmic Entity)
Imperiex
Brainiac 13
Abraxus
Promethian Giants
The Quantum Mechanics
Black Racer
Black Flash
Kulak
Mystos
Shadrack
Hellion
Eclipso, Wrath of God (average)
Spear of Destiny
Lords and Agents of Order
Lord Kilderkin
J'akk
Kismet
Nabu the Wise
Pantagones
Shat-Ru
St'ann
Terataya
Ynar
Lords and Agents of Chaos
Child
Gorrum
Hytuurnus
Mordru
M'Shulla
Shivering Jemmy
T'Charr
The Weaver
The Shallow Brigade and the Laughing Dancers
The five original Lords of Chaos (Appeared in Grant Morrison's and later Ann Nocienti's Kid Eternity series - #:Chaos is viewed as a good force here)
Typhon
Vandaemon
Zanadu the Chaos Maker
Stigmonus Monsiuer
Retcon Anti-Monitor (Sinestro Corps War)

- Tier 10 - [ Low Level Metaphysical-High Class Mutants: Reality Warping Level ]:

Bedlam
Thunderbolt (inhibited)
Doctor Destiny (with Morpheus' Dreamstone Amulet)

- Tier 11 - [ Older Gods]:

Old Gods
Arzaz (heroic Old God)
Balduur (heroic Old God whose atoms formed New Genesis)
Yuga Khan
The Dreggs (the undead)
Lokee (god of evil)
The Nameless One (evil Old God)
Wotan (ruler of the Old Gods)
S'ivaa the Destroyer and Dark Elements
Mageddon
Clockwerx
King Of Tears (Outside it's realm)
Superman-Prime

- Tier 12 - [ Skyfather level Upper Class Team Wrecker ]:

Archangels ( Uriel / Raphael / Sarauquel / Raguel etc)
Ares
The Controllers
Cosmic Gamblers
Cosmic Skyfathers
Darkseid (high powered)
Doctor Fate (fully powered)
Eclipso, The Wrath of God (depowered)
Elder gods of Shazam (Marzosh, Arel, Ribalvei, Voldar, Elbiam, Lumium)
Guardians of the Universe
Highfather Izaya
Lord Marvel
Lords of Hell outside their realm ( Azmodus, Neron, Satan, Satannish, Satanus, Shaitan)
Luck Lord
Millenium Giants
Oblivion
Owners of the Earth
Shazam
Skyfather pantheons ( Odin, Zeus, Dove, etc.)
Solaris
Sun-Eater
Trinity Giants (The Guardians' Gods)
Tynan ( the balance between Chaos and Order)
Zamarons

- Tier 13 - [ Planetary-Star Scale: Death Gods Lower Class Team Wreckers High End Psionics ]:

Despero
Darkseid (normal)
Helspont
Lord Defile
Hightower
Lord Emp
Doctor Fate (normal)
Validus
Sun-Dipped Superman
Fernus
Takion
Stayne
Hourman III
Waverider
Godfrey Gaius (actual form)
Eye of Ekron
Black Zero
Parliaments ( Parliament of Worlds, Stones, Flames, Waves, Trees)
Firestorm (Elemental)
Swamp Thing (Elemental)
Naiad (Elemental)
Red Tornado (Elemental)
Elemental of Stone
Death Gods (Seth, Pluto, Hel. Half-Rotted, Kali, Hades, Persephone, etc.)
Onimar Synn
Overmaster
The Doctor (any one since each has the powers of all previous Doctors)
Sodam Yat ( Ion)
All Star Superman
Kingdom Come Superman

- Tier 14 - [Top Tier Hero/Villain]:

Apollo
Atlas
Bizarro
Black Adam
Blithe
Brimstone
Captain Atom
Captain Comet
Captain Marvel
Captain Marvel Jr
Cherubim, The
Cyborg Superman
Dr. Polaris
Doomsday
Firestorm
Flash III
Green Lantern Corps Member
Lightray
Mantis
Martian Manhunter
Mister Majestic
Mary Marvel
Mon-El
Orion
Professor Zoom II
Sentinel
Seraphim, The
Sinestro
Supergirl
Superman (Modern Age)
Triumph
Twilight
Wonder Woman
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Originally posted by iceman24567
He's not high skyfather 😐

Originally posted by red_turtle
kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect

Superman Prime as an elder God? Oh hell naw. What has he done to earn that? Destroy a planet?

Originally posted by carver9
Superman Prime as an elder God? Oh hell naw. What has he done to earn that? Destroy a planet?

Originally posted by TheHulk
Obviously he can carver...i say his low skyfather..

High trans to low skyfather... I agree but elder God...I almost pissed on myself when I read that. He doesn't have the fts to put him in that category.

Originally posted by carver9
High trans to low skyfather... I agree but elder God...I almost pissed on myself when I read that. He doesn't have the fts to put him in that category.

Originally posted by TheHulk
what are you talking about we talking about a fully grown superboy prime who busted every hero in the universe once......

He fought alternate reality characters and if that is all that it takes to become a high trans tier character or a skyfather then that would make King Hyperion a high end skyfather since his fts of taking on alternate reality universes outweighs Primes.

Originally posted by red_turtle
here is the official...

lol, irony. I hope you see the problem. This is why the forum can't have nice things.