The entire Trans Tier (as per the tierings here at KMC) vs Kubik and The Shaper...

Originally posted by red_turtle
kal kent while weaken was able to punch 853 centeries into the future with his bare fists and he was so weaken to the point he didnt even have his heat vision and he couldnt fly.

he owned firestorm with only his breath and firestorm is respectfuly a high herald

he was able to hold back the ape galaxy with his force vision and the ape galaxy was stated to be bigger than our own

he is a cosmic being that faces threats on a cosmic level he is stated to be the protector of the 1 million universe and demonstrated cosmic level powers when defending the warlords from cosmic damage using his force field and it didnt even bother him

1 million was stated to be far evolved ordinary superman to the point he could defeat foes like darkseid and doomsday with very easy

Superman 1 Million is at least a high skyfather and people should really give him his deserved respect

Originally posted by carver9
He fought alternate reality characters and if that is all that it takes to become a high trans tier character or a skyfather then that would make King Hyperion a high end skyfather since his fts of taking on alternate reality universes outweighs Primes.

Originally posted by iceman24567
He doesn't deserve such respect you are hyping his feats up he momentarily held back that galaxy whoopdy doo cookies for him the guy aint Odin level

you are right he is above odin level, many people on KMC need very badly to pull there tongue out of odins ass , superman 1 million is above odin in several leagues and it should be clear to anyone it was stated and it was showen on panel that he can match odin while being greatly depowered he owned high heralds

Originally posted by TheHulk
If that's so than he is mid cause high skyfather can bust a galaxy not just protect one,but yet still can do it in a much larger scale.

you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one

Originally posted by red_turtle
you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one

Originally posted by red_turtle
you wana tell me in your opinion zeus is more powerful? what did he ever do to deserve the title of high skyfather? superman 1 million is so powerful they had to depower him greatly in order to fit him in some kind of storyline and even then he had crazy feats i mean he owned a high herald with just his breath that alone should tell you how powerful he is not to mention holding a freakin galaxy which is much harder than just to bust one

Now really back to tier.Odin is a high end Skyfather,while Zeus is mid to high.now really skyfather is more like a title,what do i mean take it as this way,Ghost Rider is one of the most powerful beings in the universe,but he is not skyfather,but his power is so great his in their lvl thus putting GR in "Skyfather lvl",but yes i get where you are saying,but look Marvel and DC are different companies,so each company ways of inspecting of how powerful this character maybe and which tier he should be in,are different,whereas like Sentry who has the power of a million exploding suns is really powerful,now with that kind of power you think he will be high herald to low skyfather.but no Zeus was stated to be able to beat even void who is stronger,But look at superman he has many abilities,but no one said how literally powerful he is in terms of power..but look at his fts compared to sentry....it makes sentry million exploding suns look like a spark compared to Superman....

only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful.

Originally posted by red_turtle
only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful.

And yeah we can go by fts which than i agree he is skyfather and lol you joined Oct 16th, 2011 so you don't get how people do it in here,here people like carver9 don't go by bios and handbooks....why Hulk 100 tons yet supported a 150 BILLION TON mountain,Gladiator shattered a planet with his punch yet lifted the baxter building not as easy you would think and Thanos obviously stronger than people like Luke Cage yet had his hands contain by handcuffs.....get where i'm going with this...

Originally posted by red_turtle
only thing is we can go by feats and by feats superman 1 million is a cosmic being , as stated by DC official power grid and in the comics and all his bios he is stated to be stronger than the gods themselves, he is stated to be above beings like mordru who everybody agree is probably on par with odin so i seriously dont know whats the problem with accepting the fact this version of superman is THAT powerful.

Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

Superman One-Million's greatest feat that I can think of is moving a Galaxy with his force vision.

Edit: And a note, WWK, Infinity isn't Eternity's opposite: Death is. Infinity and Oblivion are opposites.

Originally posted by TheHulk
Than why did you say his High Skyfather if he is that powerful???? 😕

And yeah we can go by fts which than i agree he is skyfather and lol you joined Oct 16th, 2011 so you don't get how people do it in here,here people like carver9 don't go by bios and handbooks....why Hulk 100 tons yet supported a 150 BILLION TON mountain,Gladiator shattered a planet with his punch yet lifted the baxter building not as easy you would think and Thanos obviously stronger than people like Luke Cage yet had his hands contain by handcuffs.....get where i'm going with this...

i said that at the very least he is a high skyfather

as far as handbooks the 100 class thing doesnt mean that the max weight one can support is 100 but it tells you that this character can lift 100 and up because they wont make a class for every freaking character otherwise we will have like million classes

while i agree that some characters have high feats and than lower one but sups 1 million has very few apearences and in those apearences he is constantly described as that powerful if its by feats, handbooks, DC statements.... but people on those boards dont like superman very much so when ever there is a chance to doubt his abilities they choose to just like with golden prime and just like with Superman Prime

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

Originally posted by red_turtle
i said that at the very least he is a high skyfather

as far as handbooks the 100 class thing doesnt mean that the max weight one can support is 100 but it tells you that this character can lift 100 and up because they wont make a class for every freaking character otherwise we will have like million classes

while i agree that some characters have high feats and than lower one but sups 1 million has very few apearences and in those apearences he is constantly described as that powerful if its by feats, handbooks, DC statements.... but people on those boards dont like superman very much so when ever there is a chance to doubt his abilities they choose to just like with golden prime and just like with Superman Prime

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Yeah let's go by feats. Odin has wrecked galaxies and shook the multiverse battling with Seth. He's fought Surtur to a stand still. Surtur who destroyed a galaxy to forge his sword. Odin has tapped into Eternity's opposite, Infinity, before. Odin has absorbed a death gods power, leaving her helpless. Odin while weakened one- shot a hig herald Annihilus who'd absorbed most of Asgard 's life force. Odin didn't need to punch anything, he simply touch Gladiator by the shoulder and sent him back to the future.

Your turn.

oh dont bring me this bullshit over here, odin has this 1 feat of shaking a multiverse for his entire career thats some old feat he had back then when marvel couldnt establish the power levels properly and odin NEVER EVER repeat this feat so its a PIS feat dont bring this bullshit over here

so what if he fought surtur to stand still? its suppose to tell me something? and 1 Million owned firestorm with a single breath , busted 3 being that were stated on validus level and owned the metal men crew when they combined all there powers together and all this 1 Million did while being depowered

i can see that you know nothing about 1 million, in the 1 million arc superman 1 million also just touched superboy 1 million and took him to a journy across dimensions, he also can apear at any dimension and time he wants just like he was able to assist superman of our own time and just like he was able to take batman to the fifth dimesnion, superman 1 million had to punch his was to the future because he lost all his powers including the heat vision and the ability to fly, superman 1 million is the protector of his own universe and when warlords aproach his universe they speak to him as the leader of the 1 million universe , he actually took the warlords to a journy on his planet and kept them safe from galactical explosions and damage with his force field , and you wana compare how many apearences odin had and how many 1 million had?

overall we didnt see him too much in action while full powered by if we include DC statements he is far above odin and any skyfather out there

Originally posted by red_turtle
oh dont bring me this bullshit over here, odin has this 1 feat of shaking a multiverse for his entire career thats some old feat he had back then when marvel couldnt establish the power levels properly and odin NEVER EVER repeat this feat so its a PIS feat dont bring this bullshit over here

so what if he fought surtur to stand still? its suppose to tell me something? and 1 Million owned firestorm with a single breath , busted 3 being that were stated on validus level and owned the metal men crew when they combined all there powers together and all this 1 Million did while being depowered

i can see that you know nothing about 1 million, in the 1 million arc superman 1 million also just touched superboy 1 million and took him to a journy across dimensions, he also can apear at any dimension and time he wants just like he was able to assist superman of our own time and just like he was able to take batman to the fifth dimesnion, superman 1 million had to punch his was to the future because he lost all his powers including the heat vision and the ability to fly, superman 1 million is the protector of his own universe and when warlords aproach his universe they speak to him as the leader of the 1 million universe , he actually took the warlords to a journy on his planet and kept them safe from galactical explosions and damage with his force field , and you wana compare how many apearences odin had and how many 1 million had?

overall we didnt see him too much in action while full powered by if we include DC statements he is far above odin and any skyfather out there

Originally posted by TheHulk
Actually those are kinda the same expect might be in a much larger scale...so yeah you make a good point expect the PIS thing...

it is PIS because odin fought many times since then and his power output during the fights didnt do anything even similar to that, even recently when he headbutts galactus whats the matter? why didnt the universe explode? 😆 , this was a 1 time many many years ago feat that the odin fans just love to hang on

Originally posted by red_turtle
it is PIS because odin fought many times since then and his power output during the fights didnt do anything even similar to that, even recently when he headbutts galactus whats the matter? why didnt the universe explode? 😆 , this was a 1 time many many years ago feat that the odin fans just love to hang on

Originally posted by TheHulk
So your low balling his fts...

i am calling the child by his own name and his name is PIS based on the things i stated , did he ever repeat this feat? NO
did he have the chance to repeat this feat? MANY TIMES
why didnt he repeat this feat so many times then? BECAUSE HE CANT 🙂

Originally posted by red_turtle
i am calling the child by his own name and his name is PIS based on the things i stated , did he ever repeat this feat? NO
did he have the chance to repeat this feat? MANY TIMES
why didnt he repeat this feat so many times then? BECAUSE HE CANT 🙂

Originally posted by TheHulk
Well every fight their is gonna punching and it's repeatable so yeah the excuse of characters of not doing the same ft over over is not a good excuse like only once Sentry lifted a cruise ship,only once gladiator shattered a planet and only once thor lifted Yggdrasil and to mention only once has Hulk ruled the world...so yeah you might be right....

only once sentry was trying to lift a cruise ship, only once gladiator was trying to shatter a planet, only once thor was trying to lift yggdrasil

get the difference? the difference is that even if a certein characters has 1 time feat and its canon its because there is nothing to contredict that feat and because they simply dont try every single time to accomplish that feat

how ever with odin busting galaxies and shaking the multiverse just by colliding punched with someone ( 😆 😆 sorry thats just too funny) can be canceled by the fact he had many fights since then and he never was able to cause this side effect just like his recent collide with galactus 🙂