Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your ploys of deflecting from a simple, unextraordinary statement (and subsequent proof) of fact, i.e., that Cap tooled Lady Deathstrike, by acting indignant are tired. It was boring several posts back and it's boring now. Your projection is laughably apparent. I'm not going to apologize though for exposing your butthurt and need to turn the most obvious of showings into something completely contrary and a lightning rod for your ad hominem schpeal.Dismissing out of hand your utterly buffoonish attempts to suggest that Cap was completely outclassed may come off as vindictive to you, but it's just the plainly obvious response for the rest of us. Stop insulting our intelligence and your own dignity over this non-issue. You're boring. Do as Lady Deathstrike does here, where she shuts her Wolverwhore mouth shut after being slapped but good:
You arguing that Cap "tooled" Lady Deathstrike is fallacious and disingenuous. I'm not going to argue he didn't win, because he did, he dropped several tons of lighting and scaffolding on top of her, but that doesn't change the fact that prior to that moment he spent the entirety of the fight on the defensive back peddling. In what sort of twisted Bizarro world does that constitute a "tooling"? He managed to hit her once, to minimal effect, then pinned her beneath a plot device. I don't care how many lemmings you get to agree with your interpretation of what happened, that fight doesn't constitute a "tooling" in anyway shape or form. Tooling would connote a dominate and impressive victory... and that isn't what happened. What is there to suggest that if they were fighting in a featureless environment, like the default KMC fight scenario, that he would have any chance at winning? Nothing. He was out classed. He was on the run. It was all he could to to avoid her attacks. That's what happened, no need to twist anything, it's simply a fact.
^ Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Leading her into disconnecting the cannisters that she and her men had prepped. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Nearly leading her to free open a pathway so innocents could get free. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Forcing her to resort to attacking innocent bystanders. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Getting inside her guard to shut her up in the moment he'd had enough. Not being touched at all (absent distraction).
I see no reason to "defend" my characterization of the fight. It the roles were reversed, where Cap never once tags her (without distraction), that Cap ends up being the bull to her matador, that Lady Deathstrike leads him to unintentionally put the civilians into more harm than when they started, that Cap resorts to cowardly tactics because he isn't gaining any ground in a straight-up fight, and then Cap ending up with a face full of stfu, I'd say Cap was tooled. And badly.
And I don't need you to defend your characterization: that Lady Deathstrike somehow completely outclassed Cap. Because I similarly don't expect you to convince me that the sky is green.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Leading her into disconnecting the cannisters that she and her men had prepped. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Nearly leading her to free open a pathway so innocents could get free. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Forcing her to resort to attacking innocent bystanders. Not being touched at all (absent distraction). Getting inside her guard to shut her up in the moment he'd had enough. Not being touched at all (absent distraction).I see no reason to "defend" my characterization of the fight. It the roles were reversed, where Cap never once tags her (without distraction), that Cap ends up being the bull to her matador, that Lady Deathstrike leads him to unintentionally put the civilians into more harm than when they started, that Cap resorts to cowardly tactics because he isn't gaining any ground in a straight-up fight, and then Cap ending up with a face full of stfu, I'd say Cap was tooled. And badly.
And I don't need you to defend your characterization: that Lady Deathstrike somehow completely outclassed Cap. Because I similarly don't expect you to convince me that the sky is green.
I don't need you to incorrectly interpret the fight for me, I've read it myself and unlike you I can comprehend what I am reading. Captain America ran way the entirety of the fight. That's what happened. He couldn't engage her in melee so he avoided her. Simple. The fact that she was maneuvered in to cutting some gas canisters down doesn't change the chain of events. Captain America didn't tool anyone, it's not just a semantic argument.
^ I similarly don't care that you utterly ignored that if the roles were reversed, that would be utterly embarassing for Cap and in no way should a Cap who failed to connect hits in a straight-up contest, made the hostage situation worse unintentionally, resorted to cowardly ploys and ended up beaten, be characterized as completely outclassing Lady Deathstrike. Semantics, this isn't. You've got that much right.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I similarly don't care that you utterly ignored that if the roles were reversed, that would be utterly embarassing for Cap and in no way should a Cap who failed to connect hits in a straight-up contest, made the hostage situation worse unintentionally, resorted to cowardly ploys and ended up beaten, be characterized as completely outclassing Lady Deathstrike. Semantics, this isn't. You've got that much right.
If the roles were reversed then Captain America would have been too much for Deathstroke to compete in melee and she would have spent the entire fight running from him, and she would have tooled no one. Simple. Captain America fought defensively and concentrated on avoidance because he couldn't successfully engage LDS in melee combat. I watch enough combat sports to know that he would have points deducted for refusing to engage an opponent and it would have been classified as an embarrassing performance. Captain America tooled no one, that isn't even a remotely accurate term for what was depicted in that comic.
^ So Cap who never once connects a clean hit, is led around to make a hostage situation even more dangerous than it already was, is nearly tricked into killing all the hostages, resorts to cowardly tactics because he's not gaining ground in a straight fight, and eventually gets rocked and pinned after Lady Deathstrike declares she's had enough.... was not tooled by Lady Deathstrike.
Indeed, in that scenario, Cap completely outclassed Lady Deathstrike according to you. 👆
You invoked Bizarro-world a few posts ago. More unintentional comedy.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ So Cap who never once connects a clean hit, is led around to make a hostage situation even more dangerous than it already was, is nearly tricked into killing all the hostages, resorts to cowardly tactics because he's not gaining ground in a straight fight, and eventually gets rocked and pinned after Lady Deathstrike declares she's had enough.... was not tooled by Lady Deathstrike.Indeed, in that scenario, Cap completely outclassed Lady Deathstrike according to you. 👆
You invoked Bizarro-world a few posts ago. More unintentional comedy.
A fighter can avoid a fighter all day if that is what they are trying to do. It happens periodically in MMA and Boxing, and it is a joke. If a fighter refuses to engage there is little the opponent can do about it, and those are fights in a confined space not a wide open area like Cap was in where he has no limit to his maneuverability. Lady D attacked to hostages to force Cap to engage her, and it worked. It was about as cowardly as Captain America running away form her the whole time. Steve was outclassed, he knew he couldn't compete with her in melee so he didn't try. That's what happened in the real world, but I hope you take comfort in your Bizzaro world account of events.
^ He didn't try, until he did. Anyway, you've amply illustrated how deranged your rationale is. If Cap was being led around by his nose into throwing innocents into more danger, and never connected a hit cleanly, and resorted to cowardly tactics because he gained no ground in a straight-up fight, and got a face full of stfu and was laid out once Deathstrike declared she had enough... somehow Cap was doing some major outclassing right thar.
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Cap ran away the entire fight because he couldn't contend with her in melee combat. He landed a single counter punched with the shield after DS lost her guard throwing that high kick. Awesome. It barely even phased her, she was completely fine under all that scaffolding. He didn't tool or outclass anyone. He ran away until he dropped a plot device on her.
^ Right. And if Lady Deathstrike managed to dodge every single one of Cap's attacks, caused Cap to endanger hostages even further, forced Cap to use cowardly tactics and laid out Cap immediately upon declaring she'd had enough... Lady Deathstrike was completely outclassed by Cap.
Your deflections from this looming truth aren't completely ham-fisted at all! 👆
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Your deflections from this looming truth aren't completely ham-fisted at all! 👆
No deflections, just trying to enlighten you above the blatantly obvious. It's a losing battle, but I'll always try to help you understand what actually happens in comics no matter how pigheaded you are, you can count on me.
^ Right. And Cap managing to dodge/block every single one of Deathstrike's attacks with ease when the fight was straight-up, causing her to defuse her own carefully planted bombs, forcing her to use cowardly tactics despite her own code, and laying her out immediately upon declaring he'd had enough...
... somehow means Lady Deathstrike won the war, if not the battle. Oh wait, never mind, she also won the battle... somehow. Because, y'know, Cap dodged and blocked in a fight and played rope-a-dope without issue.
Truthfully, I've missed the arguments between OneDumbG0 and srankmissingnin. They are probably my favorite to watch due the intense "lol @ you" sentiment you two share.
It's like a watching a more eloquent reality show.
I'd like to see more of the funny GIFs you guys usually use, but other than that? Keep it up. 👆