Jedi Masers (post Ruusan)

Grievous' inconsistency in showings really bugs me. I get that he's a monocle away from Snidley Whiplash, but for Christ's sake, at least let him kick some ass in the last two years.

I'm not aware of anything that determines Kenobi as being the definitive numero cuatro of the Jedi order. CW3D indicates that there are Jedi Masters who rival Kenobi.

Perhaps one could make the case for the other Masters, but I feel the sorta universally accepted idea is that the top four Jed in the CW were Yoda, Windu, Skywalker, and Kenobi.

I wouldn't say he's definitively no 4, but I would also put him there.

I wouldn't.

A lot of pro-Kenobi arguments that I've seen usually stems from the fact that he's a beloved main character with an abundance of exposure. I personally think it's silly to assume he's number four. I'd say Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Kit Fisto, Ki-Adi Mundi, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin are all up there. Maybe even Eeth Koth himself, given how well he did against Grievous despite the odds. Is it possible that he is? Sure, but I'm not quite willing to agree with that as of this moment.

Maybe someone could provide a convincing case for it.

Maybe later.

Who would you put in the vaunted 4th position then?

Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin's complete and utter lack of credible dueling feats is what puts them all below him.

Kenobi faced the same odds and sliced and diced Grievous. (Grievous plus magnaguards is the same fight.

Nephthys
Who would you put in the vaunted 4th position then?

No clue.
I'm not even sure I'd put Anakin in third place. As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to establish a hierarchy when there clearly isn't one. Kenobi is certainly among the Jedi's most talented Masters and skilled duelists, but I'm uncomfortable saying that he's the fourth best in the order.

Blax
Plo Koon, Shaak Ti, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Agen Kolar, and Saesee Tiin's complete and utter lack of credible dueling feats is what puts them all below him.

That's a little unreasonable.
By your reckoning, Marka Ragnos must be beneath the likes of Asajj Ventress.

Spoiler:
It's always fun using him as an example.

TJ
Kenobi faced the same odds and sliced and diced Grievous. (Grievous plus magnaguards is the same fight.

Which episode?

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
No clue.
I'm not even sure I'd put Anakin in third place. As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to establish a hierarchy when there clearly isn't one. Kenobi is certainly among the Jedi's most talented Masters and skilled duelists, but I'm uncomfortable saying that he's the fourth best in the order.

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Well your no fun. If your not even into hierarchies you have no reason to criticise our positions.

I'm not into definitive hierarchies when I see no conclusive evidence of them.

So, for example, if character 'X' is declared by a valid source to be "the most powerful [...] of [his or her age/recorded history/all time]" I would accept and defend such a view.

But I'm hesitant to hand out definitive positions in such an extensive order of talented Jedi when there's no conclusive evidence.

Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
That's a little unreasonable.
By your reckoning, Marka Ragnos must be beneath the likes of Asajj Ventress.

Spoiler:
It's always fun using him as an example.

I have no reason to think he isn't. Assaj Ventress would hand Naga and Ludo their asses in a duel, for sure.

Blax
I have no reason to think he isn't.

While it is certain that Janus has erred in his assessment of one Mark A. Ragnos, I should think that what little we know of him is sufficient to place him beyond the likes of Ventress.

Blax
Assaj Ventress would hand Naga and Ludo their asses in a duel, for sure.

😂 😂 😂

She would fear their brick-hurling prowess, my friend. Perhaps you should reconsider?

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
I have no reason to think he isn't. Assaj Ventress would hand Naga and Ludo their asses in a duel, for sure.

Your skills in inductive reasoning need some work. There is a difference between what is likely and what isn't.

Provide evidence that points to Marka Ragnos being a superior duelist to Assaj Ventress. I don't want to hear any of dat shit about interpretations. Interpretations are relative.

Well he kicked Jaden Korr's ass.

Oh wait...... mmm

Off-topic, but I believe Avellone unwittingly provided an answer to the ancient, oft-asked question as to why Ragnos imbued his scepter with the Force drain power and whether he could do it himself, bereft of the scepter.

Blax
Provide evidence that points to Marka Ragnos being a superior duelist to Assaj Ventress. I don't want to hear any of dat shit about interpretations. Interpretations are relative.

Interesting.
I disagree, but I suppose you could make a case for this. Some argue a strict interpretation of the source material. {I.e. Mace's posse couldn't have been elite Jedi because of a strict interpretation of the film.} Taking a page out of that book, I suppose you could argue that Mark is clearly low-caliber? mmm

I don't actually believe that myself. It was an example of the type of logic wall you run in to when your argument for someone relies purely on feats or quotes.

edit- Well, kinda. I have no doubt Ragnos would annihilate Assaj Ventress in an actual fight, due to his force mastery. I would hesitate to say that he was a more skilled duelist though, as we literally no jack all about that aspect of him. I also happen to think Assaj is underrated, her clone wars jobbing aside.

Go on.

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Thank God mine usually involve both feats and quotes. excellent

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Provide evidence that points to Marka Ragnos being a superior duelist to Assaj Ventress. I don't want to hear any of dat shit about interpretations. Interpretations are relative.

Definition for duelist:
Web definitions:
dueler: a person who fights duels.

Well, kinda. I have no doubt Ragnos would annihilate Assaj Ventress in an actual fight, due to his force mastery. I would hesitate to say that he was a more skilled duelist though, as we literally no jack all about that aspect of him.

Semantic fail?

Off-topic, but I believe Avellone unwittingly provided an answer to the ancient, oft-asked question as to why Ragnos imbued his scepter with the Force drain power and whether he could do it himself, bereft of the scepter.

I missed this session. Bring me back up to speed? Is it about Nihilus or something else?