SM
I missed this session. Bring me back up to speed? Is it about Nihilus or something else?
One of his interviews that I cited somewhere in an argument with Neph mentioned that the ancient Sith were the originators of Nihilus's technique but dared not use it themselves because of the inevitable destruction of their psyche. Thus it makes sense why they imbued artifacts like the Dark Reaper and the scepter with such power, where they could safely wield it without consequence.
Korto Vos
Sora Bulq:
* Mastered every lightsaber form
* Taught hundreds of Jedi
* Personally approached by Windu to develop Vaapad (which wouldn't have happened if he wasn't a master duelist and one with a strong command of the Force)
* Dooku wouldn't have bothered to seduce him to the Dark Side he wasn't a strong asset
KV
SimilarityWatch from 1:22 to 1:27. You see Dooku move and ready himself for the killing stroke. Imagine Obi-Wan at that instant bursts upward and slashes the Count across his chest before Dooku completes his attack.
KV
He fought two battles in one duel, and came out the victor in both. Quinlan outfought Bulq in the end; it may not have been pretty, but he proved he was a greater warrior than "one of the greatest lightsaber instructors the Order has ever known." (that was from the older SW Databank)
Even if you take the stance that his internal conflict hindered him to such an extent that it negated the advantages conferred by his fury, his other duels are a little less open to interpretation.
KV
That, on top of his victory over Volfe Karkko ([B]years before the Clone Wars) made me place him at #9.[/b]
KV
EDIT: And both Vos and Kolar weren't trying to slay each other. Kolar had the greater burden of apprehending Vos and returning him to the Council, while Quinlan was just trying to escape by any means. Ergo, Kolar had to place more "umph" into the fight.
Now I no longer believe there to be much merit in strict hierarchies like the one this and dozens of other threads have tried to establish, but I can say with relative certainty that Vos is not among the top ten warriors in the Order, and he's decidedly not better than Koth or Kolar.
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Me
No clue.
I'm not even sure I'd put Anakin in third place. As far as I'm concerned, there's no need to establish a hierarchy when there clearly isn't one. Kenobi is certainly among the Jedi's most talented Masters and skilled duelists, but I'm uncomfortable saying that he's the fourth best in the order.
E.
I suppose it would be hard to believe that I skipped the second page, but really shhhhhh.
Indeed.
Your investigative skills are impeccable; you'd know not to skip the second page. I taught you well... my disciple.
E.
And if you keepofferingclaiming discipleship of everybody you're going to make KV feel very very hurt. Think of the children.
Pain is something all my disciples must endure... my disciple.
TurrGid, if you keep referring to one as your 'disciple' in a Star Wars forum, then that person must be henceforth be called 'Mical'.
Originally posted by Zett
So, the best of them are: Fisto, Kolar, Koon, Drallig right?
Bulq, Vos, Tinn, Bondara, Depa are just a little weaker?
And Mundi, Shaak Ti, Luminara etc are the weakest, but still realy strong?
Drallig is definitely in the 'weakest' (weakest of course still being really strong; if we're talking about someone here, they're good).
Shaak Ti fought Vader/Anakin to escape the Jedi temple, which is rather impressive.
Again I'll point to Korto's ranking on the first page.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Make him change his name to Mical. KV's being a jerk about that.
What did you call me bish?!
Originally posted by Eminence
you're going to make KV feel very very hurt. Think of the children.
ermm
Originally posted by Turr_Phennir
Pain is something all my disciples must endure... my disciple.
Does it pain you when I'm not in pain? sly
Originally posted by Eminence
To be clear, I don't need to be sold on Bulq. I think I've defended the character more extensively than anyone else here.
My apologies, I didn't mean to suggest that you were uninformed on the characters. Rather, it was just to put-it-out-there how skilled Bulq was, and how it paints Vos in a positive light for being able to defeat such a figure.
... You think that would prove Kenobi the "greater warrior?"
It would be controversial. But that was just a similarity, not the same thing. Kenobi wasn't battling Dark Side demons in his mind when he fought Dooku.
He didn't. I encourage you to take another look at the comic; Vos was twice hurled aside by Bulq - who was about to execute a defeated Tholme - despite being deep in his battle rage. It is only after psychic interference from Aayla Secura and Tholme that drew on the Force-bond the three of them share that, from his knees, he seized on a moment of opportunity and slew a superior fighter.Even if you take the stance that his internal conflict hindered him to such an extent that it negated the advantages conferred by his fury, his other duels are a little less open to interpretation.
I have a Russian version of the comic that I can't exactly translate, but you see four pages of Vos and Bulq battling on roughly equal terms (oh yeah, not much of a big deal, but Vos did fight Tol Skorr prior). Then, when the mental demons kick in, he's getting thrown around but still is able to keep fighting and survive. From what I see, Aayla wasn't boosting his powers, but restoring the Light Side of the Force within Quin:
"This is the core of you. This is the truth of you. You are made of light. We are all made of light. The Light is greater than the anger of the darkness, Quin. I know. Because you told me that long ago…Master."
As soon as he becomes pure Jedi, he spins and beats Sora's finisher to slay him.
The wikia indicates that Vos is overwhelmed and at Karkko's mercy until three Jedi Masters join their power to his.
They didn't really fuel his powers per say, but rather calmed him down. This surge of focus caused Quin to be faster and more accurate, and he coolly proceeded to kill Karkko.
Kolar placed more "umph" into not cutting Quinlan's arm off. It is made explicitly clear in that comic that Vos is entirely outclassed.Now I no longer believe there to be much merit in strict hierarchies like the one this and dozens of other threads have tried to establish, but I can say with relative certainty that Vos is not among the top ten warriors in the Order, and he's decidedly not better than Koth or Kolar.
Point being, Kolar had to place much more effort into apprehending Quinlan, while Vos was just trying to leave and not interested in a fight.
Perhaps if the two were to go all-out, Kolar might (and I say that with skepticism) have won there, but by the end of the CW I'd say Vos has definitely surpassed him.
Originally posted by Q99
Quinlan Vos is definitely one of the fighters on the list that changed the most.Early Vos really wasn't all that and I'd definitely put Kolar and such at solidly above him. Later on, though, Dooku did get him some really nice training and he definitely improved a good deal.
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