Originally posted by Galan007
If the combined Lanterns are more powerful than Thanos, he doesn't get the automatic win simply because they cannot permanently kill him (hence my previous "Mr. Immortal analogy".)
No one's suggesting an automatic win just because Thanos is immortal (at least I don't think anyone is). The only suggestion I would make is that immortality would be pretty damn useful in fights.
Originally posted by vince_slicePeople (not you) tend to act like TI Thanos is this 'teh uber' entity. Fact is, there is nothing to suggest that he is any more powerful than, say, Annihilation-age Thanos... Immortality be damned. The fella is not unbeatable.
No one's suggesting an automatic win just because Thanos is immortal (at least I don't think anyone is). The only suggestion I would make is that immortality would be pretty damn useful in fights.
Originally posted by Galan007
People (not you) tend to act like TI Thanos is this 'teh uber' entity. Fact is, there is nothing to suggest that he is any more powerful than, say, Annihilation-age Thanos... Immortality be damned. The fella is not unbeatable.
He might not have more power output, but his immortality does help in battles, especially in battles that are prolonged where he could eventually die of his wounds. Not only will severe wounds no longer slow his battle pace down, damage that would normally incapacitate/kill him (e.g., blown organs, etc), won't slow him down either.
In effect, post-TI Thanos could potentially last much longer in grueling fights than pre-TI Thanos. I'm not sure why people write off immortality for someone like Thanos as if it were a non-factor. Immortality for someone with his powers is dangerous period.
The outcome of the fight will be largely predicated on how strong Thanos' jaw is, and whether or not the lanterns know attempting to kill him would be counter-intuitive. By the time they realize killing won't work and all attempt knock him out unconsciously, their group's accumulated wounds may be too high, and their numbers may already be lowered to the point where it's too late.
Personally I'm not completely sure who would win because the 5 fodder lantern thing throws me off.
Originally posted by vince_sliceImmortality =/= increased stamina, or a conventional healing factor. ie. Thanos can still get tired. He can still sustain injuries. He just cannot die. In that sense he's a lot like Doomsday... Without the adaption thing working for him.
He might not have more power output, but his immortality does help in battles, especially in battles that are prolonged where he could eventually die of his wounds. Not only will severe wounds no longer slow his battle pace down, damage that would normally incapacitate/kill him (e.g., blown organs, etc), won't slow him down either.In effect, post-TI Thanos could potentially last much longer in grueling fights than pre-TI Thanos. I'm not sure why people write off immortality for someone like Thanos as if it were a non-factor. Immortality for someone with his powers is dangerous period.
Originally posted by vince_sliceSurely the common knowledge rule would allow the Lanterns to know that Thanos is immortal. However, I still don't see why SSJ Hal couldn't just blow Thanos' head off, then combine his will with that of the other Lanterns' to make a "super-construct" capable of containing Thanos long enough to constitute an incapacitation win..? Meh, whatevs.
The outcome of the fight will be largely predicated on how strong Thanos' jaw is, and whether or not the lanterns know attempting to kill him would be counter-intuitive. By the time they realize killing won't work and all attempt knock him out unconsciously, their group's accumulated wounds may be too high, and their numbers may already be lowered to the point where it's too late.
Originally posted by Galan007
Immortality =/= increased stamina, or a conventional healing factor. ie. Thanos can still get tired. He can still sustain injuries. He just cannot die. In that sense he's a lot like Doomsday... Without the adaption thing working for him.Surely the common knowledge rule would allow the Lanterns to know that Thanos is immortal. However, I still don't see why SSJ Hal couldn't just blow Thanos head off, then combine his will with that of the other Lanterns' to make a "super-construct" capable of containing Thanos long enough to constitute an incapacitation win..? Meh, whatevs.
Really? You don't think Thanos can heal from wounds despite regenerating from a skeleton? Seems rather obvious he can. What about the fact that after being stabbed in the heart, the subsequent panels show that bloody wound gone, with Thanos seemingly fine and ready to battle Nova and Starlord?
You're really going to use the "Krona buster" argument? That would mean Hal could beat just about any trans tier alone and with one-shot. I also fail to see how a super construct would hold Thanos if he can simply teleport out of it?
Writing off immortality as useful in battle sounds weird to me.
Originally posted by vince_sliceYou're talking about the instance in which Thanos was destroyed (via anti-matter bomb) and then regenerated... Which is exactly my point. Thanos is obviously going to regen after any life threatening injuries are sustained. He wouldn't be a very good immortal if he couldn't at least do that.
Really? You don't think Thanos can heal from wounds despite regenerating from a skeleton? Seems rather obvious he can.
Originally posted by vince_sliceWhy wouldn't I use it? That'd be like you not using Thanos' touted 'immortality'. 😉
You're really going to use the "Krona buster" argument?
Originally posted by Galan007
Given the fairly limited number of characters TI Thanos interacted with, I think it would be common knowledge, personally... Mainly because they were ALL aware that Thanos was the avatar of Death/immortal. *shrug*
Did you just give the EXACT reason why it wouldn't be common knowledge? He didn't interact with many people at all, and thus that greatly limits the amount of people who would know and thus be common knowledge. As I stated, virtually all of DC earth human hero or otherwise and pretty much all his enemies know about superman and his relationship with the sun.. hence the common knowledge rule... In this case, it doesn't even come close to that case or others like it referenced in the rule.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiSo you believe that a character must expose a given trait about themselves to "x" amount of others before it becomes common knowledge? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. That rule (like most other forum rules) is relative to the character(s) involved. For instance, if Superman only appeared in 7-8 issues before he was killed off (as was the case with TI Thanos), but everyone he interacted with during that time was familiar with his weakness to kryptonite, then it would certainly be considered common knowledge, relative to the number of times he appeared. However, if only one or two others he interacted with knew about said weakness, then it wouldn't be common knowledge.
Did you just give the EXACT reason why it wouldn't be common knowledge? He didn't interact with many people at all, and thus that greatly limits the amount of people who would know and thus be common knowledge. As I stated, virtually all of DC earth human hero or otherwise and pretty much all his enemies know about superman and his relationship with the sun.. hence the common knowledge rule... In this case, it doesn't even come close to that case or others like it referenced in the rule.
But lets face it: Thanos being the avatar of Death/immortal was one of TI's biggest plot-points, and common knowledge to all parties involved. Just saying.
Originally posted by Galan007no I'm talking about the time he was stabbed in the heart and didn't simply die and come back, later panels show his wound gone and healed.
You're talking about the instance in which Thanos was destroyed (via anti-matter bomb) and then regenerated... Which is exactly my point. Thanos is obviously going to regen after any life threatening injuries are sustained. He wouldn't be a very good immortal if he couldn't at least do that.Why wouldn't I use it? That'd be like you not using Thanos' touted 'immortality'. 😉
You don't think Hal oneshot killing krona with all the emotional entities is PIS? I don't think he can just pull that off anytime willy nilly.
Originally posted by vince_sliceYeah, the wound Thanos sustains from a weapon Marv was gifted with by the Many Angled Ones mysteriously disappears immediately after Death erases Marv/the Many Angled Ones/that entire universe from existence. Very peculiar.
no I'm talking about the time he was stabbed in the heart and didn't simply die and come back, later panels show his wound gone and healed.
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Originally posted by vince_sliceI sure do... Mainly because that's exactly what he did. g007_teehee
You don't think Hal oneshot killing krona with all the emotional entities is PIS? I don't think he can just pull that off anytime willy nilly.
Originally posted by Galan007The fact he could bring permant death to those unable to die indictates a power surge to some degree, when Thanos rejected death imo he wouldnt have been able to perform said feat.
I don't understand your point. Pre-TI Thanos was always capable of stomping multiple heralds (inc. Surfer) with ease. He was also powerful enough to stalemate Tyrant to a degree, and cause harm to Galactus.Again: other than immortality, TI Thanos demonstrated nothing which led me to believe he was more power than his past incarnation.
I suggest rereading my previous post. Upon so doing, you might comprehend the fact that I did not compare Mr. Immortal to Thanos from a power standpoint.Fair enough, but you did imply the only thing Thanos had going for him was his "immortality" and anything else he had going for him was worthless.g007-psyduck