Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Matt Fraction:"The root of the idea for Nul was, what if Hulk could 'Hulk' out? What if he got so angry that even he would turn into something? Nul is the Hulk's Hulk. It's this monstrous thing that's unleashed on the world because of him," Fraction explained. "One of the biggest dangling threads from the end of 'Fear Itself' is that Nul is still out there. Hulk is so mighty, so strong, that he could physically crush the hammer, and while that freed him from Nul's sway, it also freed Nul to roam the Earth. Nul is here, rampaging his way to a very specific location, destroying everything in his way, and Hulk knows that he's going to be blamed for it if Nul is not stopped. So Hulk goes to the Defenders because he believes the Defenders will help him and he believes they will be discrete about it. Nul is a chance to personify Hulk's living, walking nightmare. He's a thing more hateful, more angry and in more agony than even the Hulk is on a moment to moment basis"
The business about Hulk "hulking out" is stupid as that is basically what the various incarnations of Hulk are. Hulk driven mindless, insane (Banner), WorldBreaker (WBH) ... Nul's just nowhere near that league of power or danger.
Anyhow, back on topic, Current Hulk will crush him as easily as he crushed the hammer that trapped both himself and the nul entity (that he empowers).
So far, from the comics, the only solid facts we have of the relative power-levels are that:
Current Hulk >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Asgardian 'Thor level' Hammer > 'nul entity'.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Haha, looks like the Anti-Carver equation is true after all.Gammafags never forget to remind that they're the worst. Thor fought an amped Hulk, get over it guys. Arguing that the power up wasn't accurately portrayed is the only real option, pretending it didn't happen is just desperation.
It made him more versatile but it did nothing to his strength or durability. I seen nothing but WWH on panel...nothing more, nothing less.
It was explicitly stated that he was powered up. IIRC, it was even mentioned that his durability was backed up by enchantments.
This isn't just some ambiguous topic of discussion. We've been told and it's been made quite obvious that Hulk received a power up. The only ones denying it are Gammafags because over the last few years, you guys have gotten ridiculous. Anything that doesn't portray Hulk as the best thing ever is suddenly wrong, or doesn't exist.
I still remember all the idiots calling for Pak's head as a traitor because he had him lose to Zeus, a Skyfather.
I can definitely see why people would say the power up wasn't portrayed as best as it could have been, but when you have character and writer statements all saying stuff like "Nul is like the Hulk Hulking out" or "Giving an Asgardian hammer like Mjolnir to someone like the Hulk does exactly what you think it does", I don't see how people can outright deny that Nul was intended to be above Hulk.
Hilarious still was when Thor contended with Nul, his power up was called into question, but when he ripped through the adamantium netting, all of sudden it was "good enough" to appease detractors, same as when he broke his hammer.
Fear Itself was less than great at absolute best, but given the context and intent, I don't see how people think Nul was somehow weaker or made Hulk weaker after bonding with him.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It was explicitly stated that he was powered up. IIRC, it was even mentioned that his durability was backed up by enchantments.This isn't just some ambiguous topic of discussion. We've been told and it's been made quite obvious that Hulk received a power up. The only ones denying it are Gammafags because over the last few years, you guys have gotten ridiculous. Anything that doesn't portray Hulk as the best thing ever is suddenly wrong, or doesn't exist.
I still remember all the idiots calling for Pak's head as a traitor because he had him lose to Zeus, a Skyfather.
I don't care about his loss against Zeus. He is a freaking Skyfather...top of the food chain Skyfather. I was hoping Hulk won but I also wasn't upset that he lost. Zeus, Odin, etc, etc...are above Hulk...no shame in admitting it.
As for your other topic about something being mentioned...I already ripped through that lame a** argument. Go back to the previous thread if you want to discuss that.
How in the hell can the Vampire nation read WWH power level when Reed Richards himself couldn't even read WWH power level? Does that make sense to you Rage? Reed with all of his intelligence stated that Hulk power level was off the charts and couldn't get a bead on it but a freaking Vampire has all of this info. Lol.
Then I also showrd you statements of World War Hulk being >>>Thor.
A few things.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't care about his loss against Zeus. He is a freaking Skyfather...top of the food chain Skyfather. I was hoping Hulk won but I also wasn't upset that he lost. Zeus, Odin, etc, etc...are above Hulk...no shame in admitting it.
Why would you want Hulk to beat a Skyfather to begin with?
Originally posted by carver9
How in the hell can the Vampire nation read WWH power level when Reed Richards himself couldn't even read WWH power level? Does that make sense to you Rage? Reed with all of his intelligence stated that Hulk power level was off the charts and couldn't get a bead on it but a freaking Vampire has all of this info. Lol.
Reed, believe or not, has been one upped by various characters and more than once. Reed's not always this unstoppable prep god people think he is. That's Dr. Doom.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I can definitely see why people would say the power up wasn't portrayed as best as it could have been, but when you have character and writer statements all saying stuff like "Nul is like the Hulk Hulking out" or "Giving an Asgardian hammer like Mjolnir to someone like the Hulk does exactly what you think it does", I don't see how people can outright deny that Nul was intended to be above Hulk.Hilarious still was when Thor contended with Nul, his power up was called into question, but when he ripped through the adamantium netting, all of sudden it was "good enough" to appease detractors, same as when he broke his hammer.
Fear Itself was less than great at absolute best, but given the context and intent, I don't see how people think Nul was somehow weaker or made Hulk weaker after bonding with him.
Depending on what version or Hulk we are talking about. Nul is slightly below WWH. LOL...statements will not help you Jake or Rage. The Vampire nation said that Nul is over the "average" Hulk and he is above the average Hulk.
Thor didn't do a thing to Nul besides get crushed and pass out. Thor attacked a Nul that wasn't even paying him any attention and then fatigued himself doing it and admitted that he didn't stand a chance.
Thor most shining moment in that fight is bfring Nul and the only reason he did that was because he didn't stand a chance at stopping him and would have died without resorting to bfring.
Originally posted by carver9
I don't care about his loss against Zeus. He is a freaking Skyfather...top of the food chain Skyfather. I was hoping Hulk won but I also wasn't upset that he lost. Zeus, Odin, etc, etc...are above Hulk...no shame in admitting it.As for your other topic about something being mentioned...I already ripped through that lame a** argument. Go back to the previous thread if you want to discuss that.
How in the hell can the Vampire nation read WWH power level when Reed Richards himself couldn't even read WWH power level? Does that make sense to you Rage? Reed with all of his intelligence stated that Hulk power level was off the charts and couldn't get a bead on it but a freaking Vampire has all of this info. Lol.
Then I also showrd you statements of World War Hulk being >>>Thor.
You obviously do.
You didn't rip through anything and it's not in anyway lame.
How can anyone tell Green Scar is more powerful overall when Savage Hulk has been stated to have no ceiling? That simply doesn't hold up. The comics and the writers have all pointed out that Hulk received a power up. No amount of spinning, flip flopping, denial or stupidity can avoid that truth.
No such thing.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
A few things.Why would you want Hulk to beat a Skyfather to begin with?
Reed, believe or not, has been one upped by various characters and more than once. Reed's not always this unstoppable prep god people think he is. That's Dr. Doom.
Lol...I want Hulk to win so I can post "U Mad".
I would still believe that Reed resources are >>>>>>the Vampire nation.
Then we have shield files that states that WWH is the most powerful creature to ever walk the Earth or Strange saying that Hulk is at a power level we never seen before or Tony saying that he can't read Hulks power level.
Originally posted by carver9
Depending on what version or Hulk we are talking about. Nul is slightly below WWH. LOL...statements will not help you Jake or Rage. The Vampire nation said that Nul is over the "average" Hulk and he is above the average Hulk.Thor didn't do a thing to Nul besides get crushed and pass out. Thor attacked a Nul that wasn't even paying him any attention and then fatigued himself doing it and admitted that he didn't stand a chance.
Thor most shining moment in that fight is bfring Nul and the only reason he did that was because he didn't stand a chance at stopping him and would have died without resorting to bfring.
So skyfather enchanted weapons make Hulk weaker? baka Why? Because Pak didn't pen Hulk smashing enough shit for your taste? Hell, by that line of reasoning, I could say Odinforce Thor wasn't more powerful than Classic Thor because Classic has better feats. I'd also be an idiot.
Thor one shot sent him into orbit. And he was injured after dealing with Odin, the Serpent, and the Worthy. That's not a bad feat at all.
You can't prove Thor was explicitly attempting to BFR Hulk. All he did was lay into him with a hammer strike which sent him off planet. The BFR was a side effect of his blow, not the intent. And you can't prove Thor would have died, either. Believe it or not, it wouldn't be the first time Thor fought other beings with hammers and came out on top.