Nul vs Hulk

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You obviously do.

You didn't rip through anything and it's not in anyway lame.

How can anyone tell Green Scar is more powerful overall when Savage Hulk has been stated to have no ceiling? That simply doesn't hold up. The comics and the writers have all pointed out that Hulk received a power up. No amount of spinning, flip flopping, denial or stupidity can avoid that truth.

No such thing.

I really don't.

I ripped through it Rage.

We know that Savage doesn't have a ceiling but Savage has always been below WWH and FAR below at that just like Nul is below WWH.

I never said that it didn't amp him. The guy was conjuring hurricanes. It didn't physically amp him is what I am telling you.

I showed you the scan where shield stated that they have never seen a power level like WWH.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
So skyfather enchanted weapons make Hulk weaker? baka Why? Because Pak didn't pen Hulk smashing enough shit for your taste? Hell, by that line of reasoning, I could say Odinforce Thor wasn't more powerful than Classic Thor because Classic has better feats. I'd also be an idiot.

Thor one shot sent him into orbit. And he was injured after dealing with Odin, the Serpent, and the Worthy. That's not a bad feat at all.

You can't prove Thor was explicitly attempting to BFR Hulk. All he did was lay into him with a hammer strike which sent him off planet. The BFR was a side effect of his blow, not the intent. And you can't prove Thor would have died, either. Believe it or not, it wouldn't be the first time Thor fought other beings with hammers and came out on top.

Never said Nul was weak but he isn't anything WWH is. WWH was more of a threat imo.

Thor admitted he couldn't beat him and then sent him into orbit and passed out after doing this AND had to be carried to Odin to be healed.

Lol...Thor being bfred by the serpent shouldnt have drained him of his power. Let's take that route then Jake. Zeus hit Hulk with a lightning Bolt before they fought...that is the reason why Hulk lost.

Nul>>>>Thor and this was shown on panel when Thor fatigued himself by hitting Nul and Nul was still 100%. This was shown when Thor bfred Nul and Nul was still 100%, running through the Vampire nation and crushing adamantium and running through a group of Wendigos while Thor was being carried to Odin.

Originally posted by carver9
I really don't.

I ripped through it Rage.

We know that Savage doesn't have a ceiling but Savage has always been below WWH and FAR below at that just like Nul is below WWH.

I never said that it didn't amp him. The guy was conjuring hurricanes. It didn't physically amp him is what I am telling you.

I showed you the scan where shield stated that they have never seen a power level like WWH.

You do know that I can dig up your past posts right?

How does that statement make any sense to you? And it doesn't counter my point at all.

At the very least he had superior durability.

Prove it wasn't in the context of Hulk. 🙂

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You do know that I can dig up your past posts right?

How does that statement make any sense to you? And it doesn't counter my point at all.

At the very least he had superior durability.

Prove it wasn't in the context of Hulk. 🙂

Why does he have Superior durability? Because he took a hit to the face with a chain bolt? Lol...that's not enough Rage? WWH survived a thrashing from Zom Strange and got right back up like nothing happened. I don't think a Vampire with a weapon can generate more force than an Amped strange. WWH was tanking multiple hits from all of the XMen combined. I dont think Nul tanking a hit from a Vampire is proof enough of this.

This is when that statement was said...during the time Nul brushed off a hit from a freaking Vampire. That's not enough and if you don't think WWH can brush off a measly hit from a Vampire...you know, the same WWH that tanked punches from Skaar that amped his strength to 100 trillion tons of force...then something is wrong with you.

Prove what?

Originally posted by carver9
Never said Nul was weak but he isn't anything WWH is. WWH was more of a threat imo.

Thor admitted he couldn't beat him and then sent him into orbit and passed out after doing this AND had to be carried to Odin to be healed.

Lol...Thor being bfred by the serpent shouldnt have drained him of his power. Let's take that route then Jake. Zeus hit Hulk with a lightning Bolt before they fought...that is the reason why Hulk lost.

Nul>>>>Thor and this was shown on panel when Thor fatigued himself by hitting Nul and Nul was still 100%. This was shown when Thor bfred Nul and Nul was still 100%, running through the Vampire nation and crushing adamantium and running through a group of Wendigos while Thor was being carried to Odin.

Except...you did.

Thor admitted he could never beat Nul and then he...beat him. 😐 Hell, when you ask Fraction directly what Thor meant by that comment (whether it was Thor being honest - which isn't true considering Thor has beaten Hulk before and definitely can beat him - or Thor goading Nul into his attack - which is made evident by the "Did you now?" response of his), he replies very vaguely, obviously leaving it open to interpretation. Granted, this goes both ways as you believe Thor meant his own spoken words and I think it was a goading attempt to get Nul to charge at him, but when you look at prior battles, Thor has beaten Hulk, so if you believe your line of reasoning, it's best to take it with a grain (or pillar) of salt. Either way, a less than 100% Thor BFRed Nul with a single strike into orbit, which is beyond anything Hulk has ever done to Thor. Funny how an injured Thor manages to contend with foes you'd think would be beyond him. (ie. Siege Sentry).

He was blasted by the Serpent and crash landed on the streets below. And prior to that, he was humbled by Odin. And then he had to deal with two Worthy. And he still was the one who left the victor. You can't downplay Nul and in the same breath, ignore what Thor did under the context.

😬

This is pretty priceless, if you think about it.

If Hulk gets an amp, he must clearly be beyond his peers and equals, less the amp doesn't count or whatever. And if Thor manages to *gasp* fight him on even ground, then it obviously means Nul wasn't amped because Hulk should always be more powerful than Thor, even though that's not backed up by comics themselves. The funny thing is, Thor has a storied history of damaging and doing extremely well against beings stronger/more powerful than him. He did the same thing against Nul.

What the hell is going on here? Can someone please give me the cliff notes on what the debate is about?

Originally posted by Badabing
What the hell is going on here? Can someone please give me the cliff notes on what the debate is about?

This is about:

* Whether or not Nul was amped to levels beyond WWH if he was amped at all.

* Whether or not Nul could have or would have killed Thor if not for Thor's BFR.

* Whether or not Thor attempted to BFR Hulk, or if the BFR was a side effect of his hammer blow.

And ultimately:

*Whether or not the Nul entity is more powerful than that of Hulk.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Except...you did.

Thor admitted he could never beat Nul and then he...beat him. 😐 Hell, when you ask Fraction directly what Thor meant by that comment (whether it was Thor being honest - which isn't true considering Thor has beaten Hulk before and definitely can beat him - or Thor goading Nul into his attack - which is made evident by the "Did you now?" response of his), he replies very vaguely, obviously leaving it open to interpretation. Granted, this goes both ways as you believe Thor meant his own spoken words and I think it was a goading attempt to get Nul to charge at him, but when you look at prior battles, Thor has beaten Hulk, so if you believe your line of reasoning, it's best to take it with a grain (or pillar) of salt. Either way, a less than 100% Thor BFRed Nul with a single strike into orbit, which is beyond anything Hulk has ever done to Thor. Funny how an injured Thor manages to contend with foes you'd think would be beyond him. (ie. Siege Sentry).

He was blasted by the Serpent and crash landed on the streets below. And prior to that, he was humbled by Odin. And then he had to deal with two Worthy. And he still was the one who left the victor. You can't downplay Nul and in the same breath, ignore what Thor did under the context.

😬

This is pretty priceless, if you think about it.

If Hulk gets an amp, he must clearly be beyond his peers and equals, less the amp doesn't count or whatever. And if Thor manages to *gasp* fight him on even ground, then it obviously means Nul wasn't amped because Hulk should always be more powerful than Thor, even though that's not backed up by comics themselves. The funny thing is, Thor has a storied history of damaging and doing extremely well against beings stronger/more powerful than him. He did the same thing against Nul.

Never said he was weak...what I did say is "he isn't WWH strong" and he isn't.

Time has changed Jake...the characters these days are completely different. Thor would need the Avengers to take on Hulk today because Marvel have a different sight on the character. He is just too freaking powerful.

Thor did well and Thor will always do well against basically any foe that he fights...no matter the tier but it is pretty obvious Thor can't beat Nul. If it wasn't for bfring, Nul would have finished him.

I know what Thor went through and I also know what Nul went through as well. He was consistently fighting none stop so that argument you are using should go both ways to Nul also. Let me get a scan right quick to shut this Thor doing so well against Nul argument up.

I never said that Nul wasn't amped...like I said before, he conjured hurricanes. Was he physically amped...oh hell naw and there's nothing proving that.

Originally posted by Badabing
What the hell is going on here? Can someone please give me the cliff notes on what the debate is about?

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Originally posted by carver9
Never said he was weak...what I did say is "he isn't WWH strong" and he isn't.

Time has changed Jake...the characters these days are completely different. Thor would need the Avengers to take on Hulk today because Marvel have a different sight on the character. He is just too freaking powerful.

Thor did well and Thor will always do well against basically any foe that he fights...no matter the tier but it is pretty obvious Thor can't beat Nul. If it wasn't for bfring, Nul would have finished him.

I know what Thor went through and I also know what Nul went through as well. He was consistently fighting none stop so that argument you are using should go both ways to Nul also. Let me get a scan right quick to shut this Thor doing so well against Nul argument up.

I never said that Nul wasn't amped...like I said before, he conjured hurricanes. Was he physically amped...oh hell naw and there's nothing proving that.

Based on what? Why would he be weaker? It make no sense why Hulk, who's been in his "WWH" persona/power level for a while, would get a Skyfather enchanted hammer and upon becoming Nul, become weaker than WWH? Sure, he might not have the feats of WWH under Pak, but why would he not be at least as powerful as him? Explain it.

And yet, Marvel has Thor damage abstract beings and summon the hurricanes from hundreds of worlds. And then Thor fights an amped version of Hulk and Thing and manages to one shot kill one of them and then one shot send the other into orbit. Seems to me that Marvel thinks Thor can handle Hulk just fine when the situation calls for it.

Basically, Carv, what I'm saying is that you need to accept that Thor is the mightiest one there is.

Originally posted by carver9
Why does he have Superior durability? Because he took a hit to the face with a chain bolt? Lol...that's not enough Rage? WWH survived a thrashing from Zom Strange and got right back up like nothing happened. I don't think a Vampire with a weapon can generate more force than an Amped strange. WWH was tanking multiple hits from all of the XMen combined. I dont think Nul tanking a hit from a Vampire is proof enough of this.

This is when that statement was said...during the time Nul brushed off a hit from a freaking Vampire. That's not enough and if you don't think WWH can brush off a measly hit from a Vampire...you know, the same WWH that tanked punches from Skaar that amped his strength to 100 trillion tons of force...then something is wrong with you.

Prove what?

He has superior durability because those Runes around him are protective. Which makes sense. Also, you referenced scenes that support his healing factor, not his durability.

Tanking the hit isn't why. Nul being a powered up Green Scar with protective Runes is.

That it isn't in the context of Hulk's.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Based on what? Why would he be weaker? It make no sense why Hulk, who's been in his "WWH" persona/power level for a while, would get a Skyfather enchanted hammer and upon becoming Nul, become weaker than WWH? Sure, he might not have the feats of WWH under Pak, but why would he not be at least as powerful as him? Explain it.

And yet, Marvel has Thor damage abstract beings and summon the hurricanes from hundreds of worlds. And then Thor fights an amped version of Hulk and Thing and manages to one shot kill one of them and then one shot send the other into orbit. Seems to me that Marvel thinks Thor can handle Hulk just fine when the situation calls for it.

Basically, Carv, what I'm saying is that you need to accept that Thor is the mightiest one there is.

Never said that he was weaker. I said that he is at or might be beneath WWH strength wise since he has never been in a battle where he needed to amp his strength TO WWH levels yet.

I know Thor has damaged abstracts but again, he can't beat Nul because he wouldn't have the time. As for the fight...Thor attacked a Nul that back was turned looking at Thing hit the ground.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/2695/thorvshulkandthing4.jpg

I'm not impressed. I'm also not impressed wit him bfring Nul. Fight it out like a man.

I agree, Thor IS the mightiest one there is but he falls below Hulk.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree, Thor IS the mightiest one there is

See? You can be taught.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
See? You can be taught.

Concession accepted.

Originally posted by carver9
Concession accepted.

Of course I'll accept your concession, my friend.
🙂

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This is about:

* Whether or not Nul was amped to levels beyond WWH if he was amped at all.

* Whether or not Nul could have or would have killed Thor if not for Thor's BFR.

* Whether or not Thor attempted to BFR Hulk, or if the BFR was a side effect of his hammer blow.

And ultimately:

*Whether or not the Nul entity is more powerful than that of Hulk.

It's within Hulk's powerset to kill Thor, I guess. But I doubt killing Thor would have been an easy accomplishment.

The BFR was a result of Thor's massive attack. But I think Thor knew he was on the ropes and had to end the battle. Again, I could be wrong.

Hulk was the only one to purge any of the entities on his own (See Fear Iteself: Hulk vs Dracula #3). So in that regard, he was more powerful. I don't know Nul's full range of capabilities to go any deeper. Hulk is seeking Strange's help. Whether it's just for some info or for an attack isn't known afaik.

Does anyone have the scan of Nul coming out of the hammer and Hulk seeking Strange help? I read up on this, I'm wondering if a issue came out with this in it.

How can any Hulk be more powerful than another when there is no ceiling for either? Are we considering base strength or something?

If so, then is it true that current Hulk has mastered to reach any level just by quick meditation? If so, then shouldn't he be able to reach a level beyond Nul if he wanted to?

Originally posted by h1a8
How can any Hulk be more powerful than another when there is no ceiling for either? Are we considering base strength or something?

If so, then is it true that current Hulk has mastered to reach any level just by quick meditation? If so, then shouldn't he be able to reach a level beyond Nul if he wanted to?

Th discussion isn't about Current WBH, its about Nul vs WWH.

Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have the scan of Nul coming out of the hammer and Hulk seeking Strange help? I read up on this, I'm wondering if a issue came out with this in it.