Darth Malgus vs Count Dooku

Originally posted by Nephthys
It was not a 'mountain of rubble'. That is purely hyperbole. The exact words were 'several tons.' As I have shown, the meaning of several is 'more than one or two but not many.'

Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crashed down on him from either side of the street.

Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult.

He is doing this while he has yet to clear his mind and focus properly. Do you understand?

Then he realizes his mistake and focuses properly and afterwards:

Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on adjacent buildings.

He throws away tons of rubble like ragdoll.

Also, several tons is just an expression. I can say that a Greyhound Bus weighs several tons. It is 10 tons to be exact.

However, I can say that Antonov An-225 weights many tons.

Here is an example:

Several Tons of Trash Collected from Lake Brownwood

It took over 100 volunteers and two weekends to collect several tons of trash and debris from Lake Brownwood, and coordinators of the effort are pleased with the results.

“We took out about 7 tons of trash and garbage from the lake bed over the last two Saturdays,” said Brownwood Area Chamber of Commerce Marketing Manager Ray Tipton. “We are pleased with the results and think it made a real improvement at the lake.”

Not enough?

Here is another one:

Weighing up to several tons, whale sharks are also notable for their markings. Each pattern of spots is unique and scientists identify individual fish using computer programs first developed to study star constellations.

From the same article:

The biggest fish in the sea, a whale shark can weigh many tons and grow to more than 45 feet in length.

Get the point?

Originally posted by Nephthys Dooku however casually lifted upwards of 20 tons. Thats a far superior feat. Note that Opress went on to do the same, so he is also Malgus' superior.

Your attempts to overhype things are getting too much now. You went as far as to get over-inflated figures from some blokes who have no idea of what they are talking about.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Zam, you said 2.18 tons in your post.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So now you are arguing with canonical sources? 🙄

Too late the rumble of the falling buildings penetrated the haze of Malgus's anger. An avalanche of duracrete and transparisteel crashed down on him from either side of the street.

Malgus stood in a pocket under a mountain of rubble, legs bent, the power from his upraised hands preventing several tons of duracrete and steel from crushing him. Dust made his already troubled breath more difficult.

He is doing this while he has yet to clear his mind and focus properly. Do you understand?

No, I'm arguing with your interpretation of canonical sources. 'A mountain of rubble' is not a literal statement. It is pure exaggeration/hyperbole and means absolutely nothing. The meaningful part would be the 'several tons' part, as that has clearly defined boundaries, being more than two, but not much more.

Now as to him being not in a clear state of mind, that is largely irrelevent. It would be speculation at best to try to establish how much he could lift in a clear frame of mind.

Quit asking me if I understand. I'm not the one speaking in a foreign language. Of course I understand.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Then he realizes his mistake and focuses properly and afterwards:

[B]Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on adjacent buildings.

He throws away tons of rubble like ragdoll.

Also, several tons is just an expression. I can say that a Greyhound Bus weighs several tons. It is 10 tons to be exact.

However, I can say that Antonov An-225 weights many tons.[/b]

Thats your words. Theres nothing in there indicating he threw them away with ease or 'like a ragdoll'.

You could, but you would be incorrect. I think 10, being 5 times larger than 2 would easily count as 'much more' larger than 2.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Get the point?

Yes, I get your points. They're not exactly quantum physics. 🙄

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your mass figures are speculation. Stop this bullshit.

Not at all. Even if we go by Zam's low-ball estimate the numbers would still add up to greater than 20 tons. 2.2 tons x by 8 is 17.6 tons, and thats not even taking into account the 6 small pillars.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, I'm arguing with your interpretation of canonical sources. 'A mountain of rubble' is not a literal statement. It is pure exaggeration/hyperbole and means absolutely nothing. The meaningful part would be the 'several tons' part, as that has clearly defined boundaries, being more than two, but not much more.

It is not a hyperbole. The author explicitly stated this. He imagined the rubble looking a like a mountain. After all, two buildings crashed on Malgus. That would leave lot of rubble.

You are taking the meaning of the term 'several tons' out of context here. The author did not intended to give an particular figure. Just like Drew did not gave any figure when he stated 'tons' in case of Kas'im.

It is up to personal preference of the authors. Some say tons; some say several tons; and some say many tons.

I presented the example of Whale shark. In one statement, the term 'several tons' was used to describe its mass.

Within the same article, in another statement, the term 'many tons' was coined for this animal.

You cannot even understand examples?

'Not much more' is also a vague terminology. We don't know that exactly what level is used for term 'many tons.'

Originally posted by Nephthys
Now as to him being not in a clear state of mind, that is largely irrelevent. It would be speculation at best to try to establish how much he could lift in a clear frame of mind.

He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust.

This is his state of mind when those buildings crashed on him.

The Jedi or Sith without proper focus is always vulnerable. And yet what he does is beyond the scope of many. For example, Lord Kas'im failed to do anything in a similar situation.

After he finds himself trapped beneath the rubble, he realizes his mistake and then clears his state of mind:

But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Quit asking me if I understand. I'm not the one speaking in a foreign language. Of course I understand.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Thats your words. Theres nothing in there indicating he threw them away with ease or 'like a ragdoll'.

And the rubble crash landed on adjacent buildings. Do you realize how much distance would that be?

And then you claim that you understand things.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You could, but you would be incorrect. I think 10, being 5 times larger than 2 would easily count as 'much more' larger than 2.

I have given examples of people using the term several tons for describing stuff that collectively weigh much more then 2 tons.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes, I get your points. They're not exactly quantum physics. 🙄

Not at all. Even if we go by Zam's low-ball estimate the numbers would still add up to greater than 20 tons. 2.2 tons x by 8 is 17.6 tons, and thats not even taking into account the 6 small pillars.

Get over it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am well aware of your mindset. You deliberately attemp to belittle the feats performed by Malgus. I don't understand that why are you so baised against this particular character. Disliking does not justifies unfair judgement.

I am not biased against this particular character. But I am debating against him. Naturally I would be opposing certain arguments you present for him. I wouldn't be debating against him if I would do anything else.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is not a hyperbole. The author explicitly stated this. He imagined the rubble looking a like a mountain. After all, two buildings crashed on Malgus. That would leave lot of rubble.

It is exactly hyperbole. It is one of the archetypical exaggerations used. Something is 'as large as a mountain' or 'as fast as lightning'. The phrasing 'a mountain of rubble' is more or less the very definition of hyperbole. I'm studying English at university. Do you seriously think I can't stop such an obvious example of hyperbole? Its a clear exaggeration, two measly buildings cannot produce a mountain of rubble. A mountain is thousands of feet high.

Its hyperbole. End of discussion.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You are taking the meaning of the term 'several tons' out of context here. The author did not intended to give an particular figure. Just like Drew did not gave any figure when he stated 'tons' in case of Kas'im.

Incorrect. The very word 'several' indicates multiple tons but not many. By using that word he has given an indication of amount.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is up to personal preference of the authors. Some say tons; some say several tons; and some say many tons.

I don't thinl you can have personal preference for which parts of the English language apply to your words, and which do not.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I presented the example of Whale shark. In one statement, the term 'several tons' was used to describe its mass.

Within the same article, in another statement, the term 'many tons' was coined for this animal.

That someone used it as such does not make automatically correct. People slip up and use incorrect words all the time.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You cannot even understand examples?

'Not much more' is also a vague terminology. We don't know that exactly what level is used for term 'many tons.'

'Not much more' is a clear example of logic. Can something be 'not much more' than something if its 5 times larger than the original figure? I think not. Clearly 'several tons' would indicate less than 10 tons, if not much less.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here;

He'd been sloppy, so lost in his need for revenge that he'd failed to properly evaluate the Jedi's power. He's surrendered his reason to bloodlust.

This is his state of mind when those buildings crashed on him.

The Jedi or Sith without proper focus is always vulnerable. And yet what he does is beyond the scope of many. For example, Lord Kas'im failed to do anything in a similar situation.

After he finds himself trapped beneath the rubble, he realizes his mistake and then clears his state of mind:

But no more. With an effort of will, he contained his anger, controlled it, made it a whetstone against which he sharpened his power. Using the Force, he blew the rubble up and away from him. It fell with a crash on the adjacent buildings. A Force-augmented leap carried him out and over the heap. The Jedi's eyes widened as Malgus hit the street. Malgus sneered and charged.

That doesn't reply to my point. We know he can do better, because he goes on to do that, but we can't tell how much better he can be. Would he be able to lift, say, twice what he did there? Thrice? We have no way of knowing, and can only speculate at what his true upper limit would be. This is impossible to use in a debate, where speculation is pretty much worthless to use in your argument.

I also disagree quite heavily at it being 'beyond the scope of many'. Despite how much you've attempted to overhyper the feat, it is really not that impressive in the long run. Also Kas'im did not fail in a similar situation, because he was not in a similar situation. I'd hoped that you would understand that he's just blocked a Force Wave that levelled an entire temple and so was not able to block the collapse of said temple, but clearly you havn't.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, you clearly don't. Do you even have this source? I guess, no.

Why, are there pictures of how much he's lifting? You've given me the words, thats all a short story is and all I require to debate the text.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
What does the word [B]blew means?

And the rubble crash landed on adjacent buildings. Do you realize how much distance would that be?

And then you claim that you understand things.[/b]

Blew is the past tense of 'blow', which means to 'To be in a state of motion. Used of the air or of wind' or 'To move along or be carried by or as if by the wind'.

No, how wide are the streets?

Theres nothing wrong with my understanding.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No. Several tons does not means 2 exactly, you numbskull.

I have given examples of people using the term several tons for describing stuff that collectively weigh much more then 2 tons.

Point out where I said that it did. Because I did not. And you question my understanding?

So? I could say that a Star Destroyer weighs 'several tons'. That would not make me correct.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Again, this is your assumption. We don't know if they weigh as much. It is all vague. But their size suggests that they are not extremely heavy. But over-all the weight would be 'several tons'.

Get over it.

Their size indicates they aren't extremely heavy? They're twice as tall as a human being and made out of solid rock! How the **** could they not be heavy?

The new weight is 118 tons total. Thats Bloodrains story and thats wha I'm sticking to.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove that they are not durable.

What? 😬

I can't prove a negative. I might as well ask you 'Prove Dooku can't shoot Death Star lazers out of his cock'.

You're the one suggesting starship parts are very durable, you prove it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Starships in Star Wars are one of the most heavily armored machines ever produced, specially the military grade ones.

And you call that easy? It was taking time. In comparison, Malgus tore through that wider heavy machinery in seconds and without hacking and slashing through his lightsabers. His brute strength helped him in the process.

But its like an engine or something. Why would an engine need to be durable? Its not made to be lightsaber proof.

Yeah I call that easy. He's cutting through that shit like its thick butter instead of matal. And your comparison fails. Malgus cut through something that then exploded! He didn't cut through it, it just exploded! And he didn't even swing his lightsaber! Strength didn't even come into play in that!

Hell, you can even see the engine blow up and pieces of debris falling before he emerges on the other side. He basically just cut it a little and teh explosion did the rest. There goes your strength feat. 😉

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Materials such as [B]Duracrete, Durasteel, and Transparisteel were already being heavily used in the KOTOR era. This was a time for technological innovations. We just saw larger machines 3000 years later made up of same materials.[/b]

Prove that the engine was made of those materials.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Prove the negative.

Argument form Ignorance.

Prove that Dooku can't kill Malgus with his Death Star dick.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And still strength behind it determines the level of damage that can be inflicted with it in each attempt.

But Malgus did not attempt to cut anything. He just jumped at it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You prove the negative because you started to question the durability of the Starship parts in the first place.

What!? Bullshit! You made the claim that the part Malgus cut through was durable, so you prove that it was. Your argument has exactly zero evidence I don't need to prove you wrong at all!

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You lost this argument. Keep these funny pictures in your pocket.

What argument, you just called me an idiot and tried to compare a saw to a lightsaber, despite them not working in remotely the same way. I was just seeing how long I could take the piss out of you until you stopped responding.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And now you realize that strength had some role in that instance. Good. He was not cutting through a light object. That was [B]heavy machinery.

Try to cut through a heavy machinery with the finest sword in the world like that and then give your feedback, if you can. [/b]

No, I said at best it had some role in it. And an increbly small one. Really it would be him just keeping hold of him lightsaber. Which wouldn't be hard at all. I could probably do it.

facepalm3

A lightsaber is not a sword. Its a freaking tube of plasma that can cut through nearly anything easily. Qui-Gon can cut through foot thick door specifically designed to stop energy weapons with a lightsaber with apparant ease. Hell, it doesn't even cut metal, it melts it. So yeah, I rest my case.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No need to prove this. Use your brain. He is in the process of using the Force during that entire move. He begins with Force jump as hint. Also, ever heard about throwing a Force Shield for protection? This is common act from experienced Jedi and Sith.

I didn't hear any proof in that rampling speel. So becuase he used Force Jump he must of used Force Shield as well? Wow, that is a massive leap of logic. Are you sure you're not the one using Force Jump?

So basically I laugh at that explanation. Malgus doesn't even use any Force Powers beyond physical augmentation and calling Vindicans lightsaber to him.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is. Show me comparable feat from Anakin or Dooku or shut up.

Also, that advice of yours is applicable to you too.

Why Anakin? And I've already shown you a much better feat from Dooku.

Not really. I don't even like Dooku that much. He's kind of a racist old prick.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is not a lie. His armor helped him survive that lightsaber stab because it took the brunt of it. Try to use common sense.

Um, it wasn't a lightsaber stab. She threw the ligtsaber at him. And

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Numbskull, that was explosion of a grenade and that Commando was wearing the finest armor available to him (Prominent soldiers typically use expensive gear to increase their chances of survival). But I am talking about the rockets, which are much more destructive.

Common Troopers wear more expensive equipment than the Sith Lords? The leaders of the entire Sith Empire? I doubt that. And they didn't look that much more destructive.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
3000 years means jack shit. There is a limit to explosive power of small rockets fired from shoulder based launchers. You cannot expect such small rockets to match the might of Nukes or do you?

Here is a question for you: If that rocket hit Darth Sidious, would he be dead?

Don't try to dismiss things with these pathetic excuses. I have posted another video before which also supports my assertions.

3000 years means you cannot compare them at all. Thanks for playing.

Well, yes. Darth Sidious was killed by being shot in the back by Hans blaster at one point. He's not the more durable of fellows. 😬

You posted the freaking progression video, which isn't even close to being canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His armor reduced the damage he would have recieved other wise.

Also, here are some sweet details for you:

Then the Dark Lord laughed.

It was an awful sound, empty of humor and full of mockery. In it, the apprentice heard a decade and a half of torture and abuse.

Anger flared. He lunged forward. His former Master barely blocked the blow. A second scored a deep wound across his black-clad shoulder. A third stabbed deep into his thigh.

Darth Vader reeled backward, servos whining in his injured limbs and lightsaber shaking.

Quoted from Star Wars: The Force Unleashed novel.

I fail to see the relevence of this. Vaders armor has on-screen examples of it blocking a lightsaber. And the movies are the highest level of canon.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is another one:

She leapt to her feet and unleashed a backhand crosscut at his throat. He got his blade free and vertical to parry it, but at the same time she pointed the blade end of Master Zallow’s lightsaber at Malgus and activated it.

He must have sensed his danger at the last moment for he slid partially aside. Still, the green line of Master Zallow’s blade pierced his armor and side and elicited a snarl of pain and rage. Before Aryn could follow up, Malgus drove an open hand into the side of her face.

Again the lightsaber pierces him armor. Thanks for the quote. 👆

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
And another one:

Malgus’s strength drove her to her knees. She held out her other hand and pulled Master Zallow’s blade to her hand, stabbed for his stomach with it.

Malgus sidestepped the stab, though it skinned his armor and showered sparks.

This makes it 3 just in Decieved only.

It skinned his armor. So it wasn't a direct hit, so or course it wouldn't have gotten through. Thanks again for proving Malgus' armor is weaker than Vaders.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Speculative. Rockets fired at Malgus exploded in open environment. This explosion happened inside a structure.

And Vader survived because of the Force. His mechanical parts were damaged due to impact of the explosion.

How the hell is that speculative? Those rockets explosions weren't even enough to damage nearby leaves or plants. How the hell do you think they're explosive enough to shatter transparisteel 20 meters away? 😬

Hell you can see the Trooper shoot his gun alot during the trailer and theres never a large explosion or any shockwaves or anything. The rockets are weak, face it.

And prove Vader shielded himself with the Force. Surely that his mechanical parts were damaged proves that he didn't, or they wouln't of been affected.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Here is an analogy: fire a javeline missile (small rocket) inside a structure and you will see the devastation it causes.

Heres an analogy: Those rockets didn't do shit that shows they were in any way as destructive as an entire shield generator exploding.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Your comments show otherwise. And I never claimed Malgus is invincible. He is still among the upper tier Sith in Star War mythos as a whole.

No they don't. I've never said that Dooku was invincible, especially given that I provided the scene where he gets killed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
It is not blank. It is the image of the explosion which is blinding at that moment. Do the math.

Its not adding up. When the camera moves directly into flames its hard to see? Yeah, no shit.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
They handled grenade explosions. Good enough? Rockets were too powerful for anything though.

Where? I just re-watched the trailer and I didn't see them handle grenade explosions. Are you lying?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Do you even bother rechecking the materials?

[YOUUBE]YQf1nas8BO4[/YOUTUBE]

From 1:07 to 1:11, 3 rockets are fired which destroy an entire advancing column of the Sith forces including Sith Warriors, Droids, and Troops. This move clears the path for the Republic Troops to launch an attack on the Sith Forces.

😐

He does not destroy the entire advancing column. Jesus Christ. He destroy about 3 droids and some soldiers. We can clearly see later his rockets are enough to destroy 1 droid each at 1.29 and 1.33.

Your attempts to hype TOR up has gotten truly sad now.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Even the finest of the body armor cannot withstand powerful explosions. This has been proven with the example of Darth Vader. Malgus used the Force to protect him. Start using that brain of yours.

What, because one time after repeated beatings an explosion destroyed body armor, explosions are always going to destroy body armor. ****ing hell, how does that even slightly make sense? 😬

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Same applies to your Count Dooku can beat Malgus comments, genius. No shit sherlock, Malgus is more powerful. This is the reason.

No it can't. I've only posted evidence suggesting Dooku si stronger than Malgus. I've never posted something just because it makes him look cool. Get out of Malgus' bed and into the real world please.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Grievous surpasses the power of the Force? I did not knew this. 🙄

Motherfvcker, did I say that? I don't think so!

What I said was 'Grievous is stronger than Malgus.' Does than mean he's more powerful than the Force? NO, you idiot! It means hes stronger than Malgus! Can you respond to this logically or are you just going to 'misunderstand' me again?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Oppress is not stronger then Malgus. You have proved nothing. Malgus has killed his opponents with bare hands.

Opress is stronger going by feats. He was able to physically overpower Dooku when Dooku has had no problems dealling with Grievous and Anakin in the past.

And it doesn't make you strong if you strangle a guy.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Oppress's defences are weak. He cannot withstand Force lightning attacks. Malgus could move through them and redirect them back at his opponents.

Do the math.

So? That was just because Dooku refused to teach him anything about Force Lightning so that Dooku could dominate him whenever he wanted and Opress couldn't fight back. I'm not saying Opress could beat Malgus, I'm saying he's physically stronger, and stronger in the Force.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You came up with this argument in the first place:

You even understand the meaning of bare hands? You knew he was using a robotic hand to perform that feat.

So much for Anakin being a hulkster. 🙄

Yes, it means a hand that is uncovered by any kind of fabric. Anakins hand was not. And yes, a robotic hand still counts as his hand.

How the **** does that eliminate the feat? He still ripped apart metal with his hand. He's still incredibly strong. And Dooku still blocked him and Obi-Wan one-handedly, as well as other times he's fought Anakin. What, do yo think he stopped having a robotic hand when he fought Dooku? That he grew his hand back? That it stopped being able to tear apart steel?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There are two different events:

He ducked under a slash from the male, lunged forward, and took the Jedi by the throat. He lifted him from his feet and held him suspended in the air, gagging. The Jedi’s brown eyes showed no fear, but did show pain. Malgus roared, squeezed hard, then dropped the body and stood over it, blade at his side, breath coming hard.

In this case, Malgus used his physical strength to strangulate that Jedi with bare hand.

He returned his gaze to Zallow and stalked toward him, his rage and power surging before him in a palpable wave. Another Jedi stepped in front of him, blue blade held high. Malgus barely saw him. He simply extended a hand, pushed through the Jedi’s insufficient defenses, seized his throat with the Force, and choked him to death. Tossing the body aside, he moved toward Zallow.

In this case, Malgus used the Force to choke that Jedi to death.

Choking someone to death isn't a strength feat.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
There are two things here: Rage and clear state of mind.

Malgus has demonstrated the capability in the Decieved to use both of these important aspects to fuel his power. And he becomes virtually unstoppable with these in his final duel. He feels as if he is the Force under these aspects.

Whats your point?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
That information makes him comparable to Zonakin or whatever.

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No. No it does not. Anakin is the strongest Force user in the entire mythos. He has twice as much raw power as Darth Sidious. Malgus being able to control his rage does not make him comparable to Zonakin. Not at all.

Its a similar situation, but it does not make him comparable to Zonakin in any way.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have provided sufficient evidence of Malgus's physical strength. And he can use the Force to augment his already impressive strength and will trump Grievous.

He hasn't demonstrated the abiliy to augment his strength to that level. You're now giving him strength beyond anything he's shown in an absurd attempt to win. It won't work.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have no arguments. Anakin defeated Dooku when he used rage and his clear state of mind as weapons. These two things increased his focus and fueled his power. Malgus also reached this level at the final stages of Decieved. You are not paying attention to any materials.

And Greivous is no match for Malgus and Anakin with these traits. Use your brain.

I'm going to pretend that you're not still trying to say that Malgus is comparable to Zone Anakin and address your points calmly.

I am not saying that Grievous can defeat Malgus in an actual fight. What I am saying is that in a strict lightsaber fight, without Malgus being able to use the Force on him, Grievous is faster and stronger than Malgus. The fact that Dooku was able to deal with an opponent physically superior to Malgus proves that he will not be overwhelmed as you are suggesting he will be in this thread.

Your initial argument was that Malgus would be able to defeat Dooku because he's stronger. As I've shown, Dooku can deal with extremely strong opponents very well indeed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Really? Acrobatics help you dodge moves. This is how Assaj nuetralized the effectiveness of Count Dooku's skill with the lightsaber in that event featuring Oppress. He then used his force powers to disarm her.

She didn't 'nuetralize it.' He was still defeating her easily. Plus Malgus doesn't even fight using acrobatics that much. He mostly using powerful Djem So strikes by the looks of it. And its not like Dooku is incapable of acrobatics himself. All Jedi are skilled in them.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
No, he is not. Malgus was fast enough for normal people not able to see his movements properly in his duels.

All Jedi are that fast. Freaking Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in TPM are that fast.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Malgus has also demonstrated the capability to dominate multiple opponents simultaneously and kill them in the process.

Yoda is better duelist then Sidious.

Malgus didn't kill 3 of the greatest swordsman in the history of the Jedi Order before they could react like Sidious did. Malgus killed Jedi fodder. In fact, one of the Jedi Sidious killed was Kit Fisto, who in the new Clone Wars cartoons has defeated Grievous. And considering Grievous' speed:

'The electrodrivers that powered Grievous's limbs could move them faster than the human eye can see; when he swung his arm, it and his fist and the lightsaber within it would literally vanish: wiped from existence by sheer mind-numbing speed, an imitation quantum event. No human being could move remotely as fast as Grievous, not even Obi-Wan-but he didn't have to.'

That Fisto was able to keep up with Grievous better than he could Sidious proves how fast Sidious must have been.

And Dooku was capable of duelling Yoda and keeping up with him. 🙂

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Dooku was able to keep for a moment. After that, he decided to escape. We have discussed this thing before. No need to beat on it.

That Dooku was able to duel him for an extended period of time without Yoda defeating him proves that Dooku can keep up with him in speed.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This proves that you are full of shit and do not take anything serious other then the PT characters whom you worship.

I don't even like the PT era. I have the movies and I don't watch the new series. I much prefer the KotOR-era.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Adraas growled as he climbed to his feet. Power gathered around him, a black storm of energy, and he leapt at Malgus, his blade held high.

From SWTOR:

Under the command of Lord Angral, the Sith fleet approaches the Republic’s capital planet for the first time in centuries. [B]In advance of the fleet, the strongest Sith Warriors have flown a stolen Republic ship into Coruscant’s orbit. Their mission is critical – to destroy the planet’s defense grid mainframe hidden in the heart of the Jedi Temple.

Malgus and Adraas were specially chosen for this campaign by the high command. You think that the Sith Empire would send trash to attack Jedi Temple (The very seat of Jedi power)?[/b]

Again the 'black storm of energy' thing is meaningless. Revan was 'TEH HEART OF TEH FORCE' too.

Where does that second quote come from. Just saying 'from SWTOR' isn't enough. Because if you're getting that from the youtube description, prepare to get laughed out of the thread.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
This is Lord Adraas:

He is powerful:

He watched Lord Adraas leap into the middle of a squad of Republic soldiers and punctuate his landing with an explosion of Force energy that cast the soldiers away like dry leaves.

He also destroyed that ground in the process.

More hyperbole. Though still quite impressive. I admit he's not complete crap. But I'm still not convinced he was anthing but above average.

That ground is very weak given the other things that destroy it. Must be some sort of tiles.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
He is a skilled duelist and is capable of unleashing powerful blasts of Force lightning.

Adraas snarled and held forth his left hand. Force lightning crackled from his fingertips, filled the space between them.

He is not trash.

I suspect that Malgus's next target would be Lord Angral.

The ability to make Force Lightning does not make you powerful.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Vindican matched the ferocity of Grievous.

Huh? Vindican didn't fight Grievous, lol.

Unless you're saying that Vindican could attack 18 times a second. In which case:

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Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Also, Obi-Wan blocked that fury with a single attack. 🙄

Hence why you shouldn't underestimate Obi-Wan.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Grievous is good. You don't need to tell me this. However, he can defeated. He has been bested by several skilled Jedi and Sith: Kit Fisto, Obi-Wan, Count Dooku, Assaj, and Nahdar Vebb.

Assaj was right about Grievous. While Count Dooku taught him to use Lightsaber, he was not comparable to skilled Jedi and Sith.

Of course he can be defeated you fool. But doing so proves that you are truly an exceptional Jedi. And Grievous killed Nahdar Vebb.

Not comparable to skilled Jedi and Sith?

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Why did you make me post this again?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Remember what happened in Geonosis? The depiction from same George ****ing Lucas?

Many Jedi were unable to block blaster fire. Droids kicked their @ss. OMG! The awesomeness. 🙄

The Golden Age of Jedi can have various meanings.

They were outnumbered a 1000 to 1. 😐

They were vastly outnumbered and surrounded on all sides with Super Battle Droids.

What other meaning could it possibly have?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
You have proven nothing. Just exaggerating Dooku with useless assertions like these. Yes, Dooku could outduel Greivous but so did several others who were not comparable to Dooku.

Dude, I've proven my argument over and over again. Dooku won the thread on page 2. Just because you have a raging hard-on for the TOR guys, doesn't mean they are suddenly the greatest Force users ever. Get over your bias please.

Now all bow before me. For I am Nephthys: King of the Nerds.

Oh good gravy, a Fiver! I bow before thee, oh nerdy one.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I am not biased against this particular character. But I am debating against him. Naturally I would be opposing certain arguments you present for him. I wouldn't be debating against him if I would do anything else.

Originally posted by Nephthys
It is exactly hyperbole. It is one of the archetypical exaggerations used. Something is 'as large as a mountain' or 'as fast as lightning'. The phrasing 'a mountain of rubble' is more or less the very definition of hyperbole. I'm studying English at university. Do you seriously think I can't stop such an obvious example of hyperbole? Its a clear exaggeration, two measly buildings cannot produce a mountain of rubble. A mountain is thousands of feet high.

Its hyperbole. End of discussion.

Here is a good example:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Incorrect. The very word 'several' indicates multiple tons but not many. By using that word he has given an indication of amount.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't thinl you can have personal preference for which parts of the English language apply to your words, and which do not.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That someone used it as such does not make automatically correct. People slip up and use incorrect words all the time.

Originally posted by Nephthys
'Not much more' is a clear example of logic. Can something be 'not much more' than something if its 5 times larger than the original figure? I think not. Clearly 'several tons' would indicate less than 10 tons, if not much less.

Another example:

The Azores archipelago has long been the theatre for epic confrontations between man and whale and, here, Jerome makes a rare and astonishing acquaintance when he finds himself face to face with a sperm whale weighing several tonnes.

Originally posted by Nephthys
That doesn't reply to my point. We know he can do better, because he goes on to do that, but we can't tell how much better he can be. Would he be able to lift, say, twice what he did there? Thrice? We have no way of knowing, and can only speculate at what his true upper limit would be. This is impossible to use in a debate, where speculation is pretty much worthless to use in your argument.

My intended point is that he is trapped under a large and heavy rubble and he prevents himself from getting crushed even when he is not in a clear state of mind. Then he focuses and throws the rubble away from him in different directions and the objects land on nearby buildings. And he performs this feat when he is badly injured as a result of his previous duel. This is very impressive feat and few may match him or do better under these circumstances.

Also, Malgus becomes more powerful afterwards.

Originally posted by Nephthys
I also disagree quite heavily at it being 'beyond the scope of many'. Despite how much you've attempted to overhyper the feat, it is really not that impressive in the long run. Also Kas'im did not fail in a similar situation, because he was not in a similar situation. I'd hoped that you would understand that he's just blocked a Force Wave that levelled an entire temple and so was not able to block the collapse of said temple, but clearly you havn't.

Kas'im's situation is very similar. Yes, he engaged Bane in a duel before and he was fine. And yet Kas'im lacked the power to stop the rubble from crushing him.

In comparison, Malgus also engaged in a duel prior to this event and was seriously injured. But he still packed serious punch. No matter how much you try to elevate Kas'im, he is not as powerful as Malgus.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why, are there pictures of how much he's lifting? You've given me the words, thats all a short story is and all I require to debate the text.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Blew is the past tense of 'blow', which means to 'To be in a state of motion. Used of the air or of wind' or 'To move along or be carried by or as if by the wind'.

A powerful stroke with a hand, weapon, or hard object.

A strong wind: "we're in for a blow".

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, how wide are the streets?

Theres nothing wrong with my understanding.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Point out where I said that it did. Because I did not. And you question my understanding?

Originally posted by Nephthys
So? I could say that a Star Destroyer weighs 'several tons'. That would not make me correct.

However, we can use the term 'several tons' for a large and heavy object. It may not be gigantic but it can be very large for us.

For example;

This thing weighs many tons:

This things weighs several tons:

Intended message is that several tons can still be a decent figure. Not too much but impressive.

Get the point?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Their size indicates they aren't extremely heavy? They're twice as tall as a human being and made out of solid rock! How the **** could they not be heavy?

The new weight is 118 tons total. Thats Bloodrains story and thats wha I'm sticking to.

Here is another shot:

Now look at this Orbilisk made of Granite stone (solid material):

This weighs around 1800 kg.

Do the math now.

I will respond to your other statemenst when I would have time.

Hey, I posted that first.

Nah.

Yah. Royalties, now.

I have about 10 pounds in all the world. You'll need to tear it from my cold, marble, oddly erotic hands first.

Sounds kinky. I'll need a passport though.

excellent

victory is mine

For the record, Dooku loses because Malgus attacks with FORCE RAGE and KINETIC ENERGY STRENGTH.