The Asgardian Destroyer vs Depowered Tyrant...

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus is also way above high Herald, and Tyrant nearly killed him. This was a Galactus that had prepared for his conflict with Tyrant and devoured a planet before the conflict. Taking how easily Perrikus cleaved enchanted Uru (Mjolnir) The Destroyer may not be up to pushing a cosmic terror like Tyrant around, like he would be able to do with a Herald class character.

I never said that this would be easy, but my vote goes to Tyrant being the last one standing.

This is DP Tryant and not FP Tyrant. By this difference it is easy to see that AD should be a good match for him (possibly win).

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus is also way above high Herald, and Tyrant nearly killed him. This was a Galactus that had prepared for his conflict with Tyrant and devoured a planet before the conflict. Taking how easily Perrikus cleaved enchanted Uru (Mjolnir) The Destroyer may not be up to pushing a cosmic terror like Tyrant around, like he would be able to do with a Herald class character. Also Destroyer easily damaged mjolnir also..

I never said that this would be easy, but my vote goes to Tyrant being the last one standing.

Originally posted by h1a8
This is DP Tryant and not FP Tyrant. By this difference it is easy to see that AD should be a good match for him (possibly win).

But it was DP Tyrant that nearly killed Galactus, and Galactus prepped for him just before the battle when he was seen feeding on a planet. Morg had to nullify Tyrant to stop him.

Recently Odin fought Galactus, and Galactus won that battle, but both of them were layed out, whereas Tyrant in an incomplete state ran the breaks off of Galactus, making me wonder how a complete Tyrant lost to Galactus.

I agree as i said all along that it would not be easy, but I give DP Tyrant the win here.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
DP Tyrant was made to absorb glacatus power cosmic. He had a major advatage of galactus or was that full power tyrant 😕

If that were true why did he have all of those non power cosmic Heralds lined up on the wall ready to be drained/eaten? Ref. Tyrants first appearance.

A few minor nitpicks:

The creation of the Asgardian Destroyer was a joint effort of ALL of Earths Skyfathers combined; Odin actually created the Armor along with his best smiths, but it was empowered with a small fraction of the power of every Skyfather on Earth (in Thor 300, when the Eye was telling Thor the Destroyers origin, I counted 19 Skyfathers on panel at one point in that issue)...

As pertains Galactus vs DP Tyrant; that was one of the PIS'iest fights I have ever seen in a comic...

Galactus was written so badly that he literally "forgot" (and they actually said he forgot in the naration) Tyrants entire powerset; Galactus is not a human with neurons and neuron receptor sites that can misfire and/or fail to recieve a signal, so Galactus should never, ever, forget anything.

That fight stunk of PIS; it was the only way to make Galactus defeat Full Power Tyrant, but lose to DP Tyrant...it was poor writting at its best.

Now...continue on!

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
A few minor nitpicks:

The creation of the Asgardian Destroyer was a joint effort of [b]ALL of Earths Skyfathers combined; Odin actually created the Armor along with his best smiths, but it was empowered with a small fraction of the power of every Skyfather on Earth (in Thor 300, when the Eye was telling Thor the Destroyers origin, I counted 19 Skyfathers on panel at one point in that issue)...

As pertains Galactus vs DP Tyrant; that was one of the PIS'iest fights I have ever seen in a comic...

Galactus was written so badly that he literally "forgot" (and they actually said he forgot in the naration) Tyrants entire powerset; Galactus is not a human with neurons and neuron receptor sites that can misfire and/or fail to recieve a signal, so Galactus should never, ever, forget anything.

That fight stunk of PIS; it was the only way to make Galactus defeat Full Power Tyrant, but lose to DP Tyrant...it was poor writting at its best.

Now...continue on!

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Even if we assume you are right and that fight was pure PIS, how do you explain their earlier encounter when Galactus got punked by DP Tyrant? That's PIS too?

Originally posted by zopzop
Even if we assume you are right and that fight was pure PIS, how do you explain their earlier encounter when Galactus got punked by DP Tyrant? That's PIS too?

I am a bit conflicted on that...

On one hand it is clear to me that even DP Tyrant (and as you rightly pointed out some time ago "DP" is not exactly accurate as he stated he had regained most of his power by this time) was intended to be a threat to Galactus...

I think the original writer intended for DP Tyrant to somehow get the upper hand on Galactus when they finally fought as well, so I really have no problem with Galactus losing to "DP" Tyrant; the writer who ended up finishing the story just wrote the encounter so badly that it left a bad taste in my mouth...

On the other hand, I cant reconcile the fundamental line of reasoning that if a Well Fed Galactus (and I think its safe to assume that Galactus was Well Fed when they 1st fought) was able to defeat Full Power Tyrant, he should be able to defeat a lesser powered Tyrant as well...

And with that line of thinking in mind, Tyrant should not have been able to punk him out of his Herald...

Although its possible that Galactus was not Well Fed at the time Tyrant punked him, so Galactus was not confident going foward against him at that time...

Especially given the fact that Tyant was closing in on the level of power he possessed when they 1st fought (atleast thats what Tyrant stated; Galactus apparently believed that though)...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Although its possible that Galactus was not Well Fed at the time Tyrant punked him, so Galactus was not confident going foward against him at that time...

Especially given the fact that Tyant was closing in on the level of power he possessed when they 1st fought (atleast thats what Tyrant stated; Galactus apparently believed that though)...

Don't forget the scene prior to their initial encounter. Galactus was pissed when Morg didn't show up and set out to find his herald. Airwalker and Firelord noticed and Firelord mentioned how he wouldn't want to be the guy that Galactus was hunting. Yet when Galactus got their, taking Tyrant completely by surprise, it was Galactus that backed down, not Tyrant.

Then there's all the issues leading up to their final showdown that state Galactus was scared (Silver Surfer felt it), Galactus had to feast on a planet before their showdown, the planet that Morg found was so ripe with energy that he hadn't felt this powerful in millenia, Tyrant fought Galactus on Galactus' home turf!

All thats PIS?

Originally posted by zopzop
Don't forget the scene prior to their initial encounter. Galactus was pissed when Morg didn't show up and set out to find his herald. Airwalker and Firelord noticed and Firelord mentioned how he wouldn't want to be the guy that Galactus was hunting. Yet when Galactus got their, taking Tyrant completely by surprise, it was Galactus that backed down, not Tyrant.

Then there's all the issues leading up to their final showdown that state Galactus was scared (Silver Surfer felt it), Galactus had to feast on a planet before their showdown, the planet that Morg found was so ripe with energy that he hadn't felt this powerful in millenia, Tyrant fought Galactus on Galactus' home turf!

All thats PIS?

Again, I am conflicted on it...

The only thing I am willing to say was PIS for sure was the fight between Galactus and Tyrant; that was so poorly written that PIS is the only thing it can be called...

Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Again, I am conflicted on it...

The only thing I am willing to say was PIS for sure was the fight between Galactus and Tyrant; that was so poorly written that PIS is the only thing it can be called...

The writing sucked to be sure. But the build up to it and their previous encounter after his return from exile made the outcome of it believable. Tyrant > Galactus.

Tyrant was created by Ron Marz (and ron lim). Marz wrote both the first appearance with Tyrant and the huge battle in cosmic powers.

Mark Lackey came on later and wrote the second conflict.

When Galactus confronted DP he clearly stated that while he was withdrawing, he was going to engage Tyrant on his terms and at a time of his choosing. Both acknowledged that the outcome of their conflict would have undesirable collateral effects. Marz went to great lengths to portray them as begrudgingly respectful.

Marz then depicted their earlier conflict which shattered galaxies, etc.

After this marz has nothing more to do with the character. At this point, Lackey steps in. Same writer who has Morg's English sound like some street thug that spider-man should be taking care of. Tyrant being able to absorb G's blasts was something marz, the character's creator, never intended nor hinted at in any fashion.

Yes, DP Tyrant beat Galactus. But it's not "believable" in the sense that Marz established precedent because nothing Marz depicted Tyrant capable of doing carried over into Lackey's portrayal. Or in other words, Lackey made up capabilities that Marz never intended the character to have (technopathy, absorbing G's blasts when that clearly wasn't the case when Tyrant was defeated by G at a much more powerful form with G using his blasts).

It would be more "believable" if during G's first encounter with DP Tyrant, Marz had wrote something along the lines of Galactus sensing Tyrant had acquired new knowledge/powers that heretofore were never known to Galactus. If he had put that in and just left it at that, Lackey's subsequent portrayal would be 10x better.

It's like superman beating wonder-woman in round 1,

encountering each other at a later time and agreeing not to come to blows,

then in round 2 diana suddenly has the power to radiate kryptonite, which Superman conveniently was unaware of.

happened, yeah. but not believable.

Personally, the height of it being unbelievably stupid is that Tyrant is to Galactus what Thor is to Odin, a "son" of sorts. Except Galactus literally made Tyrant.

Why would G ever allow a creation of his the ability to absorb his own attacks? It would be like Odin placing a blessing on Thor that anytime Odin blasted thor in chastisement, Thor would just re-channel it back.

It's canon, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it as "making sense"

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Tyrant was created by Ron Marz (and ron lim). Marz wrote both the first appearance with Tyrant and the huge battle in cosmic powers.

Mark Lackey came on later and wrote the second conflict.

When Galactus confronted DP he clearly stated that while he was withdrawing, he was going to engage Tyrant on his terms and at a time of his choosing. Both acknowledged that the outcome of their conflict would have undesirable collateral effects. Marz went to great lengths to portray them as begrudgingly respectful.

Marz then depicted their earlier conflict which shattered galaxies, etc.

After this marz has nothing more to do with the character. At this point, Lackey steps in. Same writer who has Morg's English sound like some street thug that spider-man should be taking care of. Tyrant being able to absorb G's blasts was something marz, the character's creator, never intended nor hinted at in any fashion.

Yes, DP Tyrant beat Galactus. But it's not "believable" in the sense that Marz established precedent because nothing Marz depicted Tyrant capable of doing carried over into Lackey's portrayal. Or in other words, Lackey made up capabilities that Marz never intended the character to have (technopathy, absorbing G's blasts when that clearly wasn't the case when Tyrant was defeated by G at a much more powerful form with G using his blasts).

It would be more "believable" if during G's first encounter with DP Tyrant, Marz had wrote something along the lines of Galactus sensing Tyrant had acquired new knowledge/powers that heretofore were never known to Galactus. If he had put that in and just left it at that, Lackey's subsequent portrayal would be 10x better.

It's like superman beating wonder-woman in round 1,

encountering each other at a later time and agreeing not to come to blows,

then in round 2 diana suddenly has the power to radiate kryptonite, which Superman conveniently was unaware of.

happened, yeah. but not believable.

Personally, the height of it being unbelievably stupid is that Tyrant is to Galactus what Thor is to Odin, a "son" of sorts. Except Galactus literally made Tyrant.

Why would G ever allow a creation of his the ability to absorb his own attacks? It would be like Odin placing a blessing on Thor that anytime Odin blasted thor in chastisement, Thor would just re-channel it back.

It's canon, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it as "making sense"

Unless Galactus created Tyrant to stop him if he ever went rogue. Tyrant himself stated that in order for either to live in that reality, one of them had to die. It was never written how Galactus defeated FP Tyrant.

All the same your post was very good, and I can't see a single weakness in your appraisal.

Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Tyrant was created by Ron Marz (and ron lim). Marz wrote both the first appearance with Tyrant and the huge battle in cosmic powers.

Mark Lackey came on later and wrote the second conflict.

When Galactus confronted DP he clearly stated that while he was withdrawing, he was going to engage Tyrant on his terms and at a time of his choosing. Both acknowledged that the outcome of their conflict would have undesirable collateral effects. Marz went to great lengths to portray them as begrudgingly respectful.

Marz then depicted their earlier conflict which shattered galaxies, etc.

After this marz has nothing more to do with the character. At this point, Lackey steps in. Same writer who has Morg's English sound like some street thug that spider-man should be taking care of. Tyrant being able to absorb G's blasts was something marz, the character's creator, never intended nor hinted at in any fashion.

Yes, DP Tyrant beat Galactus. But it's not "believable" in the sense that Marz established precedent because nothing Marz depicted Tyrant capable of doing carried over into Lackey's portrayal. Or in other words, Lackey made up capabilities that Marz never intended the character to have (technopathy, absorbing G's blasts when that clearly wasn't the case when Tyrant was defeated by G at a much more powerful form with G using his blasts).

It would be more "believable" if during G's first encounter with DP Tyrant, Marz had wrote something along the lines of Galactus sensing Tyrant had acquired new knowledge/powers that heretofore were never known to Galactus. If he had put that in and just left it at that, Lackey's subsequent portrayal would be 10x better.

It's like superman beating wonder-woman in round 1,

encountering each other at a later time and agreeing not to come to blows,

then in round 2 diana suddenly has the power to radiate kryptonite, which Superman conveniently was unaware of.

happened, yeah. but not believable.

Personally, the height of it being unbelievably stupid is that Tyrant is to Galactus what Thor is to Odin, a "son" of sorts. Except Galactus literally made Tyrant.

Why would G ever allow a creation of his the ability to absorb his own attacks? It would be like Odin placing a blessing on Thor that anytime Odin blasted thor in chastisement, Thor would just re-channel it back.

It's canon, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it as "making sense"

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Originally posted by Power Cosmic II
Tyrant was created by Ron Marz (and ron lim). Marz wrote both the first appearance with Tyrant and the huge battle in cosmic powers.

Mark Lackey came on later and wrote the second conflict.

When Galactus confronted DP he clearly stated that while he was withdrawing, he was going to engage Tyrant on his terms and at a time of his choosing. Both acknowledged that the outcome of their conflict would have undesirable collateral effects. Marz went to great lengths to portray them as begrudgingly respectful.

Marz then depicted their earlier conflict which shattered galaxies, etc.

After this marz has nothing more to do with the character. At this point, Lackey steps in. Same writer who has Morg's English sound like some street thug that spider-man should be taking care of. Tyrant being able to absorb G's blasts was something marz, the character's creator, never intended nor hinted at in any fashion.

Yes, DP Tyrant beat Galactus. But it's not "believable" in the sense that Marz established precedent because nothing Marz depicted Tyrant capable of doing carried over into Lackey's portrayal. Or in other words, Lackey made up capabilities that Marz never intended the character to have (technopathy, absorbing G's blasts when that clearly wasn't the case when Tyrant was defeated by G at a much more powerful form with G using his blasts).

It would be more "believable" if during G's first encounter with DP Tyrant, Marz had wrote something along the lines of Galactus sensing Tyrant had acquired new knowledge/powers that heretofore were never known to Galactus. If he had put that in and just left it at that, Lackey's subsequent portrayal would be 10x better.

It's like superman beating wonder-woman in round 1,

encountering each other at a later time and agreeing not to come to blows,

then in round 2 diana suddenly has the power to radiate kryptonite, which Superman conveniently was unaware of.

happened, yeah. but not believable.

Personally, the height of it being unbelievably stupid is that Tyrant is to Galactus what Thor is to Odin, a "son" of sorts. Except Galactus literally made Tyrant.

Why would G ever allow a creation of his the ability to absorb his own attacks? It would be like Odin placing a blessing on Thor that anytime Odin blasted thor in chastisement, Thor would just re-channel it back.

It's canon, but that doesn't mean I have to accept it as "making sense"

A few things, regarding Marz depiction of Tyrant :
Tyrant had amassed enough power in his exile to reclaim his "empire" :

A pissed off Galactus went out in search of his herald Morg and AirWalker and Firelord noticed his anger and Firelord commented how he wouldn't want to be in his way :

Tyrant repeated the claim that he had stored enough power to reclaim his empire and withstand a challenge from Galactus :

Galactus demands his herald back, lest there be war between them, Tyrant says no :

Galactus is the one to back down and Surfer even calls him on it :

As you can see, "DP" Tyrant wasn't backing away from a fight and it was Galactus that relented (compare this to the Odin/Galactus encounter).

Concerning Lackey's version of Tyrant, it's called a retcon. The power orbs aren't mentioned at all and the biosphere energy thing and technopathy are introduced. Lackey originally intended to kill off Galactus but this was again retconned to him having escaped at the last second with AirWalker and Firelord.

Under Lackey, Galactus knew Tyrant would eventually betray him and how powerful he was, Tyrant mentioned that maybe the reason Galactus created Tyrant was to someday destroy him. Galactus didn't give him a straight answer :

To recap, under Marz, Galactus wanted no part of Tyrant and chose to put off fighting him until a later time. Under Lackey, he outright lost to Tyrant (not his power cosmic or his machines could save him).

"DP" Tyrant was at least the equal of Galactus even under Marz.

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In the first encounter Big G's Cosmic vision did noticable damage to Tyrant:

But the second time he absorbed it.

If you take into consideration how long Tyrant was in exile + the fact that he was hungry for vengeance, it's not far fetched to say he acquired all these abilities (complete control of his body, energy absorption, master control over tech, etc.) during his conquest of galaxies over those millions of years.

If you ask me, there's nothing Lackey did wrong. Sometimes you have to read between the lines and put 2 & 2 together.

Originally posted by Stoic
But it was DP Tyrant that nearly killed Galactus, and Galactus prepped for him just before the battle when he was seen feeding on a planet. Morg had to nullify Tyrant to stop him.

Recently Odin fought Galactus, and Galactus won that battle, but both of them were layed out, whereas Tyrant in an incomplete state ran the breaks off of Galactus, making me wonder how a complete Tyrant lost to Galactus.

I agree as i said all along that it would not be easy, but I give DP Tyrant the win here.

Galactus was not well fed and Tyrant was also draining him. Context my friend. DP Tyrant will not be feeding on AD and so he will not be getting any stronger. Plus AD is a match for a weak Galactus anyway.

Originally posted by h1a8
Galactus was not well fed and Tyrant was also draining him. Context my friend. DP Tyrant will not be feeding on AD and so he will not be getting any stronger. Plus AD is a match for a weak Galactus anyway.

He had just eaten a planet just before the conflict, you're wrong once again buddy.

Originally posted by Stoic
He had just eaten a planet just before the conflict, you're wrong once again buddy.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well I must be confusing things. Well at least I'm right about Tryant absorbing Galactus power. And the fact that if Tyrant couldn't absorb Galactus power then Galactus would have stomped a hole in him.

Is that why Galactus punked out in their first encounter when Tryant returned from his exile? 🙄