Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHigh feats and not who characters fought proves superior strength for a character at their best.
There's no large gap between Gladiator and Namor strength wise. Going by some of the things I've read, it's like Namor has to destroy a planet or something to be considered a peer which is quite obviously silly as we'd have to apply the same reasoning to beings like Darkseid, Tyrant, Odin etc.He's gone toe to toe with Hercules, Hulk, Sentry, Blue Marvel, Black Bolt etc. If I had to pick between one of the two strength wise, I'd pick Gladiator but there's no doubt that an argument could be made for Namor being equal.
Characters are written down to others or are simply shown not operating at their best ability in comics many times. That's how a forum fight differs from one in a comic. There is no plot or story to neuter the characters. If Glads hits with planetary power at his best then we shouldn't assume that everytime he punches someone in a comic that he is hitting them with that same power, because he's not. This goes for Thor, Hercules, Hulk, etc. But in a forum fight Glads can and will pull off planetary punches at will (because he always get to fight at his best.). IMO, Glads at best is leagues above Namor in strength. I view Namor as 2x Thing's strength or somewhere in that ballpark.
Originally posted by CosmicComet
And to be completely real, there's nothing wrong with H1's take here either.There is no right or wrong, and pretty much no one is entirely consistent in this manner.
Yep. I just find some of these debates hilarious at times because of these opposing philosophies. A while back this exact same thing happened in the Nova vs Iron man thread with very similar points being made. We argued for page after page until one guy made it known how he looks at characters and tiers them and it was completely different from how the other guy did. They were arguing apples and oranges the entire time. I can only wonder how often this is the case in some of these hotly contested threads.
Originally posted by Sixth_Winged
Pretty sure he KNFO Thor once and had a draw with him while Thor was amped. Sure he got owned by lightning once though.The Hulk showing isn't bad at all considering Glads just thried to BFR him and took on a Thunderclap right through the ear, got pinned down through re entry then had Hulk(somehow knews how to) exploited his weakness. I didn't even see a punch thrown or a contest of strength.
There is really no comparison between strength. He already owned most of Namor's peers hyperion, wonder-man, etc
huh? 'amped' thor? glads had his sh** kicked in once thor decided he wasn't a friend anymore.... he wasn't even shown to be stronger than masterson. 😬
the infamous and completely wrong cry of 'weakness exploitation' has long been one of my favourite kmc myths. note below in the scan that glads is BEING DRAGGED, barely able to move, and UTTERLY at the hulk's mercy BEFORE he shoves him inside the reactor core:
http://imageshack.us/f/694/incrediblehulkannual199.jpg/
hulk had glads at his COMPLETE MERCY before he ever used the reactor. i will never understand how anyone claims 'weakness exploitation' when glads was ALREADY beaten. badly. hulk could simply have jumped on him and pounded him into paste had he chosen to do so.
hyperion?? he and hyperion were almost perfectly matched in power. glads won that fight because he was a better fighter. that's all.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad1.jpg
wonderman was a good showing, i'll admit, but he didn't ko wonderman. he simply smashed him into the ground.
basically, glads has punched and beaten up a big rock/"planet". as a result, that means he can beat namor easily when his vaunted 'rock beating' feat has meant exactly.... nothing regarding his other fights with top bricks? abc logic: glads beats up some rock planet whose size is undefined means he beats up namor? nah. keep the "planet" feat. i'll take his record vs top tiers as his truer level. and using THAT, he is by no means AT ALL, "far" above namor. at least not in strength. though, as i've said, his remaining powerset wins him this fight.
Originally posted by leonidas
huh? 'amped' thor? glads had his sh** kicked in once thor decided he wasn't a friend anymore.... he wasn't even shown to be stronger than masterson. 😬the infamous and completely wrong cry of 'weakness exploitation' has long been one of my favourite kmc myths. note below in the scan that glads is BEING DRAGGED, barely able to move, and UTTERLY at the hulk's mercy BEFORE he shoves him inside the reactor core:
http://imageshack.us/f/694/incrediblehulkannual199.jpg/
hulk had glads at his COMPLETE MERCY before he ever used the reactor. i will never understand how anyone claims 'weakness exploitation' when glads was ALREADY beaten. badly. hulk could simply have jumped on him and pounded him into paste had he chosen to do so.
hyperion?? he and hyperion were almost perfectly matched in power. glads won that fight because he was a better fighter. that's all.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b97/Jonathanos/Gladiator/HypeGlad1.jpg
wonderman was a good showing, i'll admit, but he didn't ko wonderman. he simply smashed him into the ground.
basically, glads has punched and beaten up a big rock/"planet". as a result, that means he can beat namor easily when his vaunted 'rock beating' feat has meant exactly.... nothing regarding his other fights with top bricks? abc logic: glads beats up some rock planet whose size is undefined means he beats up namor? nah. keep the "planet" feat. i'll take his record vs top tiers as his truer level. and using THAT, he is by no means AT ALL, "far" above namor. at least not in strength. though, as i've said, his remaining powerset wins him this fight.
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Originally posted by zopzop
Quick question to those still saying Namor has a chance in hell : WTF would happen to Namor if Glads did this to him?
saying namor can hang with him in straight h2h without getting slaughtered is different from saying he has a chance to win the fight. glads wins 10/10 based on powerset. my problem is people thinking glads runs over him and is so far beyond him in strength that he would slaughter namor.
again.
namor loses but namor's LONG history against bricks is well documented. there is MORE than enough evidence to support that notion imo.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The real question is what is Glads gonna do when Namor rocks him with a Celestial punch?
Actually yes i take it back, glads wins but it isn't a stomp. x-men fighting celestials. Colossus and Namor tearing through Celestial armor...That book is all about feats just like the annihilators
Originally posted by leonidas
saying namor can hang with him in straight h2h without getting slaughtered is different from saying he has a chance to win the fight. glads wins 10/10 based on powerset. my problem is people thinking glads runs over him and is so far beyond him in strength that he would slaughter namor.again.
namor loses but namor's LONG history against bricks is well documented. there is MORE than enough evidence to support that notion imo.
Here's my thing though -and forgive me if I'm misrepresenting you here, looking at the points you've made, some of the bricks that Namor has banged with have banged with Glads as well, Hulk being one example. His powerset wasn't a major advantage in any of those fights, so why would that be any different here?
^ his heat vision would be huge here, due to its ability to dehydrate namor. it could also burn through namor, and he can't heal like hulk. if he took namor into space it would be a HUGE problem for namor as well. i also think glads is the stronger of the 2. i just think that in h2h namor could make glads work for it.
