Gladiator vs Namor

Originally posted by dmills
Here's my thing though -and forgive me if I'm misrepresenting you here, looking at the points you've made, some of the bricks that Namor has banged with have banged with Glads as well, Hulk being one example. His powerset wasn't a major advantage in any of those fights, so why would that be any different here?

Glads suffers from PIS against older versions of Hulk, the same as against Thor.

Like when he tried flying Hulk into orbit, and got thunderclapped in the ears? Total PIS. Wonder Woman's faster than Hulk, and even she couldn't react to Superman taking her into orbit.

Fights involving Hulk, Wolverine, Cap, and Thor in general should be taken with a grain of salt, because Marvel policy usually dictates their top tier characters not be punked by B or C list characters, even if they really should be...

Although in Thor's case, he doesn't get nearly the same benefit the other three do, so I can forgive the odd example of PIS in his favor. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
^ his heat vision would be huge here, due to its ability to dehydrate namor. it could also burn through namor, and he can't heal like hulk. if he took namor into space it would be a HUGE problem for namor as well. i also think glads is the stronger of the 2. i just think that in h2h namor could make glads work for it.

I can agree with that, and I have scans of Namor getting hit with microwaves that dried him out etc. However I seem to recall one thread (not sure if it was kmc) where peeps were saying that Namor withstood a tactical nuke, which as you probably know is many times hotter upon it initial release of energy then the sun. Some other instances were brought up as well of him withstanding extreme heat and concussive energy. His recent scrap with Blastaar comes to mind.

a nuke blast? i've not seen that but would be very interested in doing so. that's a HELL of a durability feat. not many guys can take a nuke shot. he did have some good heat showings agianst johnny in the past. thing is, even assuming namor CAN withstand the vision for a hwile, or a few hits, he still has to ko glads and i don't really see that happening--not before glads powers and strength take him out. i honestly can't see namor winning this fight at all. but i CAN see him making a fight of it before he goes down.

Originally posted by cdtm
Glads suffers from PIS against older versions of Hulk, the same as against Thor.

Like when he tried flying Hulk into orbit, and got thunderclapped in the ears? Total PIS. Wonder Woman's faster than Hulk, and even she couldn't react to Superman taking her into orbit.

Fights involving Hulk, Wolverine, Cap, and Thor in general should be taken with a grain of salt, because Marvel policy usually dictates their top tier characters not be punked by B or C list characters, even if they really should be...

Although in Thor's case, he doesn't get nearly the same benefit the other three do, so I can forgive the odd example of PIS in his favor. 😄

wtf? oh so now anyone who owned gladiator won due to PIS? dude thats lame seriously just face the facts gladiator doesnt belong in the big league, he constantly gets owned by hulk thor and all the top dogs he is not in there league , he belongs to the league of king hyperion , black bolt, namor as we can learn for all his fights

gladiator is a poor mans superman and the things superman can do doesnt mean gladiator can do due to the fact he is inferior in every department

Originally posted by Babajaev
wtf? oh so now anyone who owned gladiator won due to PIS? dude thats lame seriously just face the facts gladiator doesnt belong in the big league, he constantly gets owned by hulk thor and all the top dogs he is not in there league , he belongs to the league of king hyperion , black bolt, namor as we can learn for all his fights

gladiator is a poor mans superman and the things superman can do doesnt mean gladiator can do due to the fact he is inferior in every department

I wouldn't even mention Glads in the same breath as Blackbolt. The King has a vastly superior record vs the elite top tier in Marvel.

Originally posted by dmills
I wouldn't even mention Glads in the same breath as Blackbolt. The King has a vastly superior record vs the elite top tier in Marvel.

True.

And Black Bolt rarely, if ever, gets to look half as good as Glads does against Thor, even though he has every right to.

Originally posted by h1a8
High feats and not who characters fought proves superior strength for a character at their best.

Characters are written down to others or are simply shown not operating at their best ability in comics many times. That's how a forum fight differs from one in a comic. There is no plot or story to neuter the characters. If Glads hits with planetary power at his best then we shouldn't assume that everytime he punches someone in a comic that he is hitting them with that same power, because he's not. This goes for Thor, Hercules, Hulk, etc. But in a forum fight Glads can and will pull off planetary punches at will (because he always get to fight at his best.). IMO, Glads at best is leagues above Namor in strength. I view Namor as 2x Thing's strength or somewhere in that ballpark.

There isn't some hard and fast rule but basing strength levels purely on feats is stupid for some characters. We know Thanos, Darkseid, Doomsday, Odin, Tyrant etc. are all very strong (All stronger than Gladiator by the way) despite the lack of raw strength feats because of their track records. Pure feats don't have any more value than fights against other characters. Sure they're extremes, but that goes both ways.

It's one thing if Namor had an outlier fight here or there but he has a consistent history of operating at a certain level against elite strongmen. So does Gladiator, hence it's not that difficult to guess how they would match up in strength. Of course we shouldn't assume that, stop taking everything to the extreme all the time. Character's fluctuate, they can job or have high end showings, that's why we find averages. Why do you think that comic book politics such as plot has less of an effect on fights than it does on feats?

Gladiator is not multiple times stronger than Namor and if they ever fight, they'll almost certainly be shown to be peers.

Honestly, I don't even know why I replied. I've debate with you enough times to know that you don't even follow you're own reasoning when it doesn't suit you. Even in the context of the same discussion.

has namor used the power gem he posseses? and i remember in schism that he was quickly taken out of the fight by extreme heat

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There isn't some hard and fast rule but basing strength levels purely on feats is stupid for some characters. We know Thanos, Darkseid, Doomsday, Odin, Tyrant etc. are all very strong (All stronger than Gladiator by the way) despite the lack of raw strength feats because of their track records. Pure feats don't have any more value than fights against other characters. Sure they're extremes, but that goes both ways.

It's one thing if Namor had an outlier fight here or there but he has a consistent history of operating at a certain level against elite strongmen. So does Gladiator, hence it's not that difficult to guess how they would match up in strength. Of course we shouldn't assume that, stop taking everything to the extreme all the time. Character's fluctuate, they can job or have high end showings, that's why we find averages. Why do you think that comic book politics such as plot has less of an effect on fights than it does on feats?

Gladiator is not multiple times stronger than Namor and if they ever fight, they'll almost certainly be shown to be peers.

Honestly, I don't even know why I replied. I've debate with you enough times to know that you don't even follow you're own reasoning when it doesn't suit you. Even in the context of the same discussion.

See the problem is that you are viewing the fight as WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN A COMIC. I agree that in a comic Namor would make Gladiator work for it. But forum characters are different than the average comic characters. If Glads hit Namor with a planet busting punch (in the comic) then Namor will surely be dead or koed (in the very same comic). The reason that you won't see that is because the writer isn't going to let Glads hit Namor with a planet busting punch. But in a forum there is no writer to stop it from happening.

And I do follow my own reasoning. If I don't then please tell me how I don't (PM me) so that I can see through my own bias. I don't won't to be bias. That's the honest to God truth.

Originally posted by h1a8
See the problem is that you are viewing the fight as WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN A COMIC. I agree that in a comic Namor would make Gladiator work for it. But forum characters are different than the average comic characters. If Glads hit Namor with a planet busting punch (in the comic) then Namor will surely be dead or koed (in the very same comic). The reason that you won't see that is because the writer isn't going to let Glads hit Namor with a planet busting punch.

or maybe because it is out of character for him to do so? and character must be taken into account.

If the OP had said straight H2H no other exotic powers, I can actually see Namor holding his own and winning a few. But there was no such stipulation, so Namor gets creamed.

Originally posted by leonidas
or maybe because it is out of character for him to do so? and character must be taken into account.

In character implies CHOICE. I'm pretty sure Glads (not Superman) is not exempt from choosing to try to kill. In other words, Glads doesn't hit with planet shattering punches in a comic because of his choice not to but because the writer writes him with less strength (or less confidence). Just like the writer wrote him not strong enough (or confident enough) to uppercut Hulk into space and had him try to carry him there at under light speed.

Originally posted by h1a8
In character implies CHOICE. I'm pretty sure Glads (not Superman) is not exempt from choosing to try to kill. In other words, Glads doesn't hit with planet shattering punches in a comic because of his choice not to but because the writer writes him with less strength (or less confidence). Just like the writer wrote him not strong enough (or confident enough) to uppercut Hulk into space and had him try to carry him there at under light speed.

Gladiator doesn't set out to kill everyone he fights. He actually has his own code of honour, as twisted as it can be at times.

That's an aspect of his personality, not generally a writer imposed weakness.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Gladiator doesn't set out to kill everyone he fights. He actually has his own code of honour, as twisted as it can be at times.

That's an aspect of his personality, not generally a writer imposed weakness.

I know and agree. But I said he wasn't exempt from trying to kill. Superman isn't so lucky as he doesn't kill period.

But in light of things I guess Glads wouldn't be trying to kill on a forum fight unless the chips are down or he is ordered to (although he tried or succeeded in killing many on panel, including Hulk).

Gladiator is thousands of times stronger than namor.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
Gladiator is thousands of times stronger than namor.

I highly, highly, highly doubt that.

Big-C said it so I will assume its true.

Glads drags namor into orbit...Namor needs air right? Can he fight in space?

Gladiator wins.