Originally posted by themadsurfer
Me in the other hand have no problems in discussing this, in fact I'm very susceptible to change my mind, if you prove me a high caliber bullet fired from a modern big gun don't have the same piercing ability of a tatical knife.
Not sure if that helps but there are bullet proof vests that can still be cut through with a regular army knife. Could be the case here. Maybe?
Originally posted by SamZED
Not sure if that helps but there are bullet proof vests that can still be cut through with a regular army knife. Could be the case here. Maybe?
No because skin is different from Kevlar, a longbow can also pierce a Kevlar. A medieval steel armor can't be pierced by a Katana or longswords but can by nowadays bullets.
Originally posted by themadsurferWe're talking non-existant superhuman skin that can withstand tank shells so I'm not talking exact similarity but merely the concept. Something that can be pierced by a knife but deflects bullets. Considering its comic book physics it doesn't sound far fetched at all IMO.
No because skin is different from Kevlar, a longbow can also pierce a Kevlar. A medieval steel armor can't be pierced by a Katana or longswords but can by nowadays bullets.
Originally posted by SamZED
We're talking non-existant superhuman skin that can withstand tank shells so I'm not talking exact similarity but merely the concept. Something that can be pierced by a knife but deflects bullets. Considering its comic book physics it doesn't sound far fetched at all IMO.
Exactly his skin can withstand tank-shell but not knives? The character is still human but with a skin several times denser, the material is the same which is different from the Kevlar.
Your example to prove your point was very wrong since Kevlar stab vests don't stop bullets just like Kevlar bulletproof vest can't stop knives. Peculiarities of that material.
Originally posted by themadsurferI don't see how the mere existence of stab proof vests and it's comparison to bullet proof ones prove my argument wrong. Please elaborate.
Exactly his skin can withstand tank-shell but not knives? The character is still human but with a skin several times denser, the material is the same which is different from the Kevlar.
Your example to prove your point was very wrong since Kevlar stab vests don't stop bullets just like Kevlar bulletproof vest can't stop knives. Peculiarities of that material.
Originally posted by SamZED
I don't see how the mere existence of stab proof vests and it's comparison to bullet proof ones prove my argument wrong. Please elaborate.
Again, I'm not even talking about some specific character but mere possibility of some superhuman having bulletproof skin while still being vulnerable to knife piercing. And the same explanation can easily apply. Peculiarities of that skin. Comparison with real human skin is absolutely pointless as we are talking about nonexistent superhuman skin with physically impossible superhuman properties. And if a material with similar properties can exist in RL why not in comic book world full of super humans who defy physics on daily basis and on some occasions defy logic.
So you think having different kind of "durabilities" like blunt, energy projection, piercing and mental isn't enough? We should now divide Piecing ability in knives and bullets? That's is just too much detail from comic and I don't know a single character that is like that and feel free to talk about one, except those that are said "magical" or the comic give us some explanation about their anatomy.
When large bullets bounce from the skin means the material is freaking hard and regular military knives wouldn't have any effect, while in Kevlar the bullet don't bonce she actually enter the material but stop at some point.
Have you heard any special explanation for the skin of any Hulk being bulletproof but not stab? Well Hulk can take knives and bullets and swords and I don't see much of a biological difference between them, just that Hulk is stronger and so probably tougher. And like I said Hulk's are those characters where science is most involved, always trying to explain their HF and strength, while they can't exactly explain why other's can't lift Thor's hammer.
It`s kind of weird how this goes,I don`t think logan can cut Pete with a fatal blow.But if logan was in the 40 ton range he could run him through.He can cut the Hulk,but his tissue regenerates almost instantly.Than you have the hulk from the 70`s,who`s durability was just about a match for Thanos.Why all this changed I don`t know?
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Lol, Thor. Even with his claws sheathed and while powerless, Wolverine's punch to Thor's face made him drop some dude he was holding 😂
Hah I have this comic, I remember laughing loud when I saw that. Wasn't he without his healing factor too? Even so he got hit and went through a wall and stopped 10 meters later with no scratches at all.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Btw, if you're talking about Wolverine vs. Thor, I don't remember Thor saying that. Logan did cut him much worse later though, arguably managing to stab him in the back even (although Thor wasn't bothered much by that).
Thor said that even though he hasn't done significant damage due to the toughness of asgardian flesh, if he continued It could turn significant.
Originally posted by themadsurfer
Hah I have this comic, I remember laughing loud when I saw that. Wasn't he without his healing factor too? Even so he got hit and went through a wall and stopped 10 meters later with no scratches at all.
Yes, hence why I said he was powerless. And that's not the only time he got smashed into the wall by Thor, either. There was also that time in one of the Avengers titles. They [Logan and Thor] had a drinking contest of sorts and Thor used Wolverine's head to make a hole in the ceiling - again, no HF to help him recover.
Originally posted by themadsurfer
Thor said that even though he hasn't done significant damage due to the toughness of asgardian flesh, if he continued It could turn significant.
Correct, but that happened in the next part (originally, it was a digital comic that came in 2 parts. Much later it got released as an extra story in Wolverine Wendigo! one-shot).
Anyway, yes, Thor said his thick asgardian skin wouldn't protect him forever --- which is exactly what has been happening with guys like Fully Techno-Organic Cable, Exodus, The Hulk, Colossus and others. They all withstood one or more swipes, only to suffer rather significant damage later.
Originally posted by SamZED
Not sure if that helps but there are bullet proof vests that can still be cut through with a regular army knife. Could be the case here. Maybe?
Doubtful.
Kevlar vests basically "catch" the bullet in nets of super strong plastic, dispersing the kinetic force. Knives manage to slip past the holes in the net. (Arrows, I'm told, have never been proven to penetrate body armor... That's one for Mythbusters, I guess, unless anyone has some body armor to test it on.)