Neji vs gaara (chunin exams)

Originally posted by dadudemon
Lies. Neji will be dissolving Gaara's sound and striking his chakra pionts over and over while avoiding all attacks from Gaara.

No, he really won't. You're overrating his reaction-time signifigantly. His best reaction feat is supposedly being able to react to Lee. While it proves he can react to a fast single opponent, it doesn't prove he can easily avoid any and all omnidirectional attacks which Gaara can bring to bear.

Beyond that, destroying (Not dissolving, he cut it) some chakra web does not prove he can dissolve and destroy densely packed sand (The auto shield alone is more durable than 5mm of steel) backed up by Biju-level chakra.

Scream at me all you want: that's not creating sand inside the ground and coming from the ground like you suggested earlier. That's using a low attack with his sand from his gourd.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-7/naruto/chapter-59.html

"The sand in the air and on the ground can be controlled by Gaara's will."

If you're going to act smug, at least make an attempt to be correct while doing so. And it is firmly established in Naruto canon that Gaara can create sand other than that in his gourd.

Oh hey look at this!

http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-10/naruto/chapter-59.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-11/naruto/chapter-59.html

Notice how the sand didn't come from his gourd, but from the ground they were standing on.

Nice try...but you fail yet again.

I could say the same of you, only I'd actually be correct in doing so.

If you were under the impression the Gaara can do anything to Neji before he closes the gap and one shots Gaara, you're deluded.

Keep telling yourself that.

Incorrect: Neji can avoid it and spin until his heart's content. He can slowly close the gap until he destroys Gaara with an attack that seems to work at about 20 meters. Suck it.

Right because Neji can just keep on spinning while also moving huh? No, if he keeps on spinning, eventually he'll run out of chakra, which will happen long before Gaara does. Not to mention, as Blax showed us, he can use his sand to teleport as well. In fact, here is this gem:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-88-17/naruto/chapter-83.html

Even if Neji can land hits on him, why can't Gaara just replace himself with a sand clone? He managed it during Lee using the Lotus, which is faster than Neji.

Also, how will Neji react to this?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-12/naruto/chapter-112.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-13/naruto/chapter-112.html

If Gaara does ball-up, he can still attack, and was able to wound Sasuke, who is faster than Neji.

Oh boy, and there is this too.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-10/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-11/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-12/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-13/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-14/naruto/chapter-104.html

Notice how Naruto, tapping into a little of the Kyuubi's chakra, broke the Kaiten. It required a Chidori to break Gaara's sand dome.

Right, so we're just going to change our position to something that's stupid and countered already, anyway?

Save that line when you actually counter something.

Read again:

"that's not creating sand inside the ground and coming from the ground like you suggested earlier. That's using a low attack with his sand from his gourd."

Nope, disproved this.

"aara definitely grabs Neji's foot form under the ground for several reasons.
1. Neji doesn't have the x-ray vision to see that coming

2. Neji doesn't have the reflexes to dodge it.

3. Gaara showed that he could use the under the ground sneak attack before at at the chunin exams.

Oh, wait, none of those are true."

1. While he does, to suggest that he can continue to avoid it to his heart's content until he can auto-pawn Gaara is asinine I'm afraid, especially when there is no evidence to suggest he is getting past Gaara's automatic defense.

2. Oh sure, he can dodge it. But he can't do it forever. Especially when it is coming in multiple directions, like it did that first dude, grabbing his hand and leg.

3. Well yes, yes he did.

Hey, you tried.

That I did. I also succeeded.

Nah. Neji kills Gaara before Gaara gets close to finishing.

Again, nice try, but you just fail too much.

Not based on the showings in the manga.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Chunin Neji MIGHT get beaten by current Gaara...

Haha, what?

Usrs?

You're not serious are you?

Jesus Christ this is stupid.

neji was right when he pontificated about destiny. lol

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Naruto was in a bad match up against Neji and won.

No he wasn't. Naruto was one that could create PERFECT mass shadow clones making it impossible for Neji to percieve which was the real Naruto. That's the perfect type of matchup for someone like Neji.

Also, Naruto could heal, rapidly, and then burst open his closed chakra points due to his Kyuubi Chakra. The absolute worst matchup for Neji was Naruto, IMO.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I'm actually very confused how to approach this argument.

No worries: there's no need to counter because countering would make you wrong. You need to be correct so just side with me and then you never have to deal with approaching this, at all. 😄

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
By gimping Gaara, I mean taking away abilities shown after Chunin Exam but not taking away Neji's. There really is no logical reason to do so. Not once have I denied Neji access to any abilities. Though if we were to treat him the same as Gaara, Neji would lose.

I disagree: if you were to acknowledge Neji's abilities in their proper context, you'd conclude that even a sand Tsunami is not enough to stop Neji.

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, he really won't. You're overrating his reaction-time signifigantly. His best reaction feat is supposedly being able to react to Lee. While it proves he can react to a fast single opponent, it doesn't prove he can easily avoid any and all omnidirectional attacks which Gaara can bring to bear.

Beyond that, destroying (Not dissolving, he cut it) some chakra web does not prove he can dissolve and destroy densely packed sand (The auto shield alone is more durable than 5mm of steel) backed up by Biju-level chakra.

You're underestimating Neji's reaction time and quite severely.

And, yes, Neji can easily react to any all linear attacks that will come from any angle. Gaara isn't anywhere near strong and smart enough to figure out Neji's blind spot. Also, Neji was assumed to win the Chunin exams: the number 1 candidate for winning. This was stated even after the exam. Suck it. 😄

Originally posted by NemeBro
http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-7/naruto/chapter-59.html

"The sand in the air and on the ground can be controlled by Gaara's will."

If you're going to act smug, at least make an attempt to be correct while doing so. And it is firmly established in Naruto canon that Gaara can create sand other than that in his gourd.

Oh hey look at this!

http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-10/naruto/chapter-59.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-64-11/naruto/chapter-59.html

Notice how the sand didn't come from his gourd, but from the ground they were standing on.

So, let's get this straight...you think that you've destroyed that bigger point by only pointing out that Gaara can use the sand on the ground already there, right?

You do realize there was a whole lot more shit going on than just coming from the ground.

Let's go with seeing chakra flowing to the sand. Let's go with an omnidirectional field of vision. Let us also go with massive amounts of reaction speed.

Your point still fails horribly, no matter how much you rage about it. It does nothing to stop Neji. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
I could say the same of you, only I'd actually be correct in doing so.

I know you are but what am I?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Keep telling yourself that.

I know you are but what am I?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right because Neji can just keep on spinning while also moving huh?

YES! You do know he's spinning with his feat, right?

Additionally, my correct response to your statement is this:

Right because Gaara can create sand tsunami after sand tsunami at the chunin exams huh?

Originally posted by NemeBro
No, if he keeps on spinning, eventually he'll run out of chakra, which will happen long before Gaara does.

No, if he keeps on doing silly sand attacks he will eventually run out of chakra before Neji even breaks a sweat.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not to mention, as Blax showed us, he can use his sand to teleport as well. In fact, here is this gem:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-88-17/naruto/chapter-83.html

Even if Neji can land hits on him, why can't Gaara just replace himself with a sand clone? He managed it during Lee using the Lotus, which is faster than Neji.

Right, so a person with omnidirectional x-ray vision will not be able to see Gaara try to use a sand-like substitution jutsu? Right? RIGHT?

Oh, you didn't think that argument through. Oh well. You tried. That's what counts.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, how will Neji react to this?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-12/naruto/chapter-112.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-117-13/naruto/chapter-112.html

If Gaara does ball-up, he can still attack, and was able to wound Sasuke, who is faster than Neji.

Oh, you mean the balled up defense that I have already countered in this thread multiple times?

You mean the balled up defense that takes Gaara several pages to create?

You mean that?

Nice try, but we already know Neji can dissipate the chakra in the sand and get to Gaara WHILE dodging any an all attacks Gaara has shown to be throwing at Neji. Keep in mind that Gaara will not use very many directions of attacks at this point in the story. He's fairly linear. Neji can laugh off the attacks as he dodges over and over. In fact, Neji barely has to do anything. mwhahahahahahaahahahaha

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh boy, and there is this too.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-10/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-11/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-12/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-13/naruto/chapter-104.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-14/naruto/chapter-104.html

Notice how Naruto, tapping into a little of the Kyuubi's chakra, broke the Kaiten. It required a Chidori to break Gaara's sand dome.

You mean the version of Naruto in the Kyuubi cloak mode that is absurdly stronger than most characters at this point? You mean the same Neji that barely got any rotation in before Naruto closes the gap?

You could at least be more honest in your arguments. 🙂

Don't forget about the instructor shitting himself over the chakra Naruto released. Hmm..imagine that...Naruto releases a shit ton of chakra to counter the ultimate chakra created barrier.

In perspective, there's very few shinobi alive that could counter Naruto when he's in that ultra-strong and fast biju cloak form. He stopped a giant ass snake dead in it's tracks. Not to mention that neji appears to JUST be entering into his defense mode.

Gaara doesn't have that speed nor power. 🙂

Don't forget about Ten Ten's analysis even AFTER having seen Gaara fight:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-12/naruto/chapter-104.html

mwhahahahahahaahahahahahaaaaa

Pwned, yet again.

I noticed your scans stopped right before page 15. Care to explain why you omitted the page that shits all over this entire thread? Hmmm? You think that's are you're breathing?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Save that line when you actually counter something.

You mean like every single time I have raped you in this thread? Good idea: I'll keep doing it. 😄

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nope, disproved this.

1. While he does, to suggest that he can continue to avoid it to his heart's content until he can auto-pawn Gaara is asinine I'm afraid, especially when there is no evidence to suggest he is getting past Gaara's automatic defense.

2. Oh sure, he can dodge it. But he can't do it forever. Especially when it is coming in multiple directions, like it did that first dude, grabbing his hand and leg.

3. Well yes, yes he did.

Only 3 was disproved. The first 2 counters you have are just your posturing and gimping Neji to net a win.

1. There's no evidence to show that Gaara's automatic defense does shit for him when Neji can dissipate the chakra infused into it. It falls to the ground, limp sand...and Gaara gets a palm to the chest and dies. Keep in mind that guy easily brushed aside Gaara's sand withOUT chakra injection to null it. Throw in some chakra injection and it becomes all the more easy to brush aside. It was a nice try on your part, though. You could do better.

2. Oh sure, Gaara can use sand attacks while remaining stationary, for ever. It won't drain his chakra at all when Neji is only using his eyes and jumping about at a moderate pace. Keep in mind that Neji had to deal with Lee on a daily basis and did it without Lee landing a single blow. Suck it.

3. And you still think this is somehow a good argument when Neji can see it coming? Lame. This is not even a good try. It's slow and Neji will see it coming before he can react with his uber reaction time.

Originally posted by NemeBro
That I did. I also succeeded.

Succeeded in failing and showing why your are biased and Gaara loses.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not based on the showings in the manga.

Only to a person blinded with boners for Gaara. Reality: Neji hands Gaara's ass to him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Haha, what?

Usrs?

You're not serious are you?

Jesus Christ this is stupid.

I think the only problem there is Neji's limited field of vision. Neji can STILL react to really fast objects thrown at him when they enter his field of vision. Gaara can try is sand bullets but Neji should be able to spin in time to destroy them...you know...like Neji did in the forest. It was only when that ultra fast arrow, that could fly right through trees and fell them, that Neji's reactions were pressed for time...yet he still deflected him. That version of Neji is improved, for sure, but there should be little difference other than his chakra stores.

Gaara will have a hard time killing even Chunin Neji. You need Genjutsu against him. Genjutsu or handseals with a shadow clone.

And, you may want to keep up that praying to Jesus: you're gonna need him with how much I'm killing you in this thread. 😄

Originally posted by dadudemon
You're underestimating Neji's reaction time and quite severely.

I'm afraid not, don't be so butthurt.

And, yes, Neji can easily react to any all linear attacks that will come from any angle.

Prove this.

Gaara isn't anywhere near strong and smart enough to figure out Neji's blind spot.

Irrelevant and unsupported.

Also, Neji was assumed to win the Chunin exams: the number 1 candidate for winning. This was stated even after the exam. Suck it. 😄

Irrelevant and no one but the people from the Sand knew Gaara's true capability.

So, let's get this straight...you think that you've destroyed that bigger point by only pointing out that Gaara can use the sand on the ground already there, right?

Considering that was actually my point, yes. What are you talking about? I've responded to everything you said, you made no other vaguely worthwhile point.

You do realize there was a whole lot more shit going on than just coming from the ground.

So Gaara has omnidirectional attacks? Is that what this vague statement was saying? Good to know.

Let's go with seeing chakra flowing to the sand.

Not sure what relevancy this holds, that doesn't imply he can stop it. The notion that Neji can dissolve or destroy anything with chakra infused with it ever is unfounded and a No-Limits fallacy.

Let's go with an omnidirectional field of vision.

Never denied he had it, but that doesn't imply that his reaction-time is infallible.

Let us also go with massive amounts of reaction speed.

He has good reaction-time, but you are overrating it.

Your point still fails horribly, no matter how much you rage about it. It does nothing to stop Neji. 🙂

Your point still fails horribly, no matter how much you rage about it. It does nothing to stop Gaara. 🙂

YES! You do know he's spinning with his feat, right?

Show me him moving while using it.

Additionally, my correct response to your statement is this:

Right because Gaara can create sand tsunami after sand tsunami at the chunin exams huh?

Do be a dear and point out where I said that.

No, if he keeps on doing silly sand attacks he will eventually run out of chakra before Neji even breaks a sweat.

Afraid not.

Right, so a person with omnidirectional x-ray vision will not be able to see Gaara try to use a sand-like substitution jutsu? Right? RIGHT?

That's not really my point. The point is he could manage to do it to a faster opponent than Neji.

Oh, you didn't think that argument through. Oh well. You tried. That's what counts.

And succeeded, obviously.

Oh, you mean the balled up defense that I have already countered in this thread multiple times?

"No u" is not and never was an argument. Back up your posts with logic and evidence instead of blathering on nigh-incoherently.

You mean the balled up defense that takes Gaara several pages to create?

If by "several pages" you meant "about 2 that we see on-panel", then yes. Sasuke couldn't stop it in time, Neji certainly can't.

You mean that?

Why yes I do.

Nice try, but we already know Neji can dissipate the chakra in the sand

Prove this.

and get to Gaara WHILE dodging any an all attacks Gaara has shown to be throwing at Neji.

Prove this as well.

Keep in mind that Gaara will not use very many directions of attacks at this point in the story.

He certainly can. Are they nearly as powerful as later? No, but he was shown to use such attacks against Lee, even while toying with him.

He's fairly linear. Neji can laugh off the attacks as he dodges over and over.

Prove this.

In fact, Neji barely has to do anything. mwhahahahahahaahahahaha

It is true that dying takes little effort.

You mean the version of Naruto in the Kyuubi cloak mode that is absurdly stronger than most characters at this point?

Funny how he had to use more chakra to beat Gaara huh?

You mean the same Neji that barely got any rotation in before Naruto closes the gap?

Couldn't stop it, if an opponent weaker than Gaara can go through and break it, it is not unreasonable to assume it is possible for Gaara.

You could at least be more honest in your arguments. 🙂

And you could at least try to back your's up with evidence.

Don't forget about the instructor shitting himself over the chakra Naruto released. Hmm..imagine that...Naruto releases a shit ton of chakra to counter the ultimate chakra created barrier.

Are we now under the impression that Gaara doesn't have a lot of chakra?

In perspective, there's very few shinobi alive that could counter Naruto when he's in that ultra-strong and fast biju cloak form.

Gaara required more of the Kyuubi's chakra as well as Gamabunta to stop. And... Well no, not really, sure he might be able to beat fodder ninja, but it is a good thing that Gaara isn't.

He stopped a giant ass snake dead in it's tracks.

Oh wow and actually valid point, how about that? I admit to forgetting about this happening, though one could argue he used more chakra then due to the Kyuubi releasing naturally, and of course exagerrating his foxy features.

Not to mention that neji appears to JUST be entering into his defense mode.

Because Gaara's sand is suddenly slow huh?

Gaara doesn't have that speed nor power. 🙂

Gaara's sand is quite fast actually. Fast enough to automatically kill Neji immediately? Probably not. But the notion that he will automatically dodge and avoid every attack that Gaara makes is asinine.

Don't forget about Ten Ten's analysis even AFTER having seen Gaara fight:

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-12/naruto/chapter-104.html

mwhahahahahahaahahahahahaaaaa

Pwned, yet again.

Tenten wasn't on that page.

I assume you meant this?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-106-8/naruto/chapter-101.html

"He can release chakra from the entire body, and knock away physical attacks just with that. You could say it has power that surpasses Gaara's."

Not only is Tenten a fallible, biased party, but she's also referring specifically to the repulsing effect. Not its ability to keep Neji from being injured. And once more, can it block attacks from below?

I noticed your scans stopped right before page 15. Care to explain why you omitted the page that shits all over this entire thread? Hmmm? You think that's are you're breathing?

Care to explain what about it shits over this entire thread?

Was it the part where Tenten assumed that it injured Naruto more than Neji for being the attacker? Which was not only proven wrong, but is irrelevant regardless since Gaara is a long-range fighter.

Or was it Tenten saying that no Genin can defeat Neji? You know... That statement that was proven wrong a page later. 😐 If you're using a fallible, biased character's statement as evidence, stop.

You mean like every single time I have raped you in this thread? Good idea: I'll keep doing it. 😄

Your constant insulting me and condescending to me only hurts your credibility, rather than enhances it. You know that, right? It's the main reason why no one (And I do mean no one) likes to debate with you, has anyone actually told you this? 😬 Because if not, someone really needs to. Owait I just did. How lovely.

Only 3 was disproved. The first 2 counters you have are just your posturing and gimping Neji to net a win.

Uhuh. Afraid not.

1. There's no evidence to show that Gaara's automatic defense does shit for him when Neji can dissipate the chakra infused into it.

Once more prove this. He could cut some thin webs with a chakra blade. Woopity doo.

It falls to the ground, limp sand...and Gaara gets a palm to the chest and dies.

Won't get through the sand armour. And no, going through Hinata's clothes=/=durable chakra infused armour.

If Neji were as powerful as you seem to believe, he'd be kicking the ass of the Raikage.

Oh by the way dadudemon why is it that when Neji was trapped in a bubble of water by a clone (Of a clone...) of Kisame, he didn't just dissipate it with Gentle Fist? I mean, it's just water with chakra infused in it, right? Not really much different than sand infused with chakra, right?

Keep in mind that guy easily brushed aside Gaara's sand withOUT chakra injection to null it.

Yes because this couldn't possibly be the result of Guy being incredibly fast and strong, right? And you can of course prove that Guy was using no chakra right? Because you are aware that chakra isn't always visible when being used right?

And no, Guy's feats =/= Neji, Guy is superior to Neji in every way not relating to Neji's bloodline.

Throw in some chakra injection and it becomes all the more easy to brush aside.

What Guy can do is not what Neji can do.

2. Oh sure, Gaara can use sand attacks while remaining stationary, for ever. It won't drain his chakra at all when Neji is only using his eyes and jumping about at a moderate pace. Keep in mind that Neji had to deal with Lee on a daily basis and did it without Lee landing a single blow. Suck it.

Right because Neji can Kaiten to infinity without ever depleting his chakra reserves, which are much smaller than Gaara's, huh? Neji had to deal with Lee on a daily basis, yes, but Lee used abilities on Gaara he never used on Neji. They failed to beat him, and Lee was nearly crippled.

I'm sorry, but Neji is not beating the main (Genin) antagonist of the arc, no matter how much you may want him to.

3. And you still think this is somehow a good argument when Neji can see it coming? Lame. This is not even a good try. It's slow and Neji will see it coming before he can react with his uber reaction time.

Please do prove it is slow. He can react to it, sure, but indefinitely? No. The only way Neji could win this fight is if Gaara toys with him like he did Lee.

Succeeded in failing and showing why your are biased and Gaara loses.

Yeah man cause if you didn't notice by me calling Gaara boring not too long ago I am so biased for Gaara.

Only to a person blinded with boners for Gaara. Reality: Neji hands Gaara's ass to him.

As the legendary dadudemon would put it: No u.

I think the only problem there is Neji's limited field of vision. Neji can STILL react to really fast objects thrown at him when they enter his field of vision.

That doesn't imply Neji can withstand a relentless sand onslaught capable of creating tsunamis or protecting a section of a village from a bomb.

Gaara can try is sand bullets but Neji should be able to spin in time to destroy them...you know...like Neji did in the forest. It was only when that ultra fast arrow, that could fly right through trees and fell them, that Neji's reactions were pressed for time...yet he still deflected him. That version of Neji is improved, for sure, but there should be little difference other than his chakra stores.

If you want to use Sand Four arc feats Gaara can literally bury Neji hundreds of feet underground before he crushes him.

But of course Neji will keep spinning to victory right!

Gaara will have a hard time killing even Chunin Neji.

Chunin Gaara might. Kage Gaara? Hahaha... No.

You need Genjutsu against him. Genjutsu or handseals with a shadow clone.

Are you now under the impression that anyone without those things will lose to Neji? Oh laudy.

And, you may want to keep up that praying to Jesus: you're gonna need him with how much I'm killing you in this thread. 😄

I'm sorry, but I've clearly beaten you.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm afraid not, don't be so butthurt.

Afraid so. Don't mask your butthurt by saying others have it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this.

No.

If you are going to ask me about the fundamental mechanics of the byakugan, you can kindly GTFO out of the thread.

The "prove this" trolling will not work, by the way.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Irrelevant and unsupported.

So you respond with "nuh-uhhhh!"?

Supported.

Kidomaru

Intelligence: 4

Gaara: 2.5

Fact: No one figured out Neji's weakness until Kidomaru. Based on feats, it requires at least a 4 to figure out.

Suck it.

It is relevant because of this:

"And, yes, Neji can easily react to any all linear attacks that will come from any angle."

Unless you have an attack from Gaara that is faster than Kidomaru's arrow? (Not likely. It's one of the fastest projectile attacks in all of Naruto.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Irrelevant and no one but the people from the Sand knew Gaara's true capability.

That's an irrelevant point because it takes Gaara ages to fully awaken his beast and they saw all of Gaara's abilities minus the "go to beast mode" sand ball.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Considering that was actually my point, yes. What are you talking about? I've responded to everything you said, you made no other vaguely worthwhile point.

I did. It's your fault for not being able to keep up. Creating something from the ground was only one point of 3. The other two points still stand, even if you ignore Neji's abilities.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So Gaara has omnidirectional attacks? Is that what this vague statement was saying? Good to know.

He can certainly choose to attack Neji from any angle but he's limited to one or two and direct sand streams at that point in his life.

But, you actually missed the point of that statement. "A whole lote more shit going on" refers to the other 2 points which destroys the idea that Gaara slowly reaching from the ground with sand will do anything to Neji for reasons already pointed out.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not sure what relevancy this holds, that doesn't imply he can stop it. The notion that Neji can dissolve or destroy anything with chakra infused with it ever is unfounded and a No-Limits fallacy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Never denied he had it, but that doesn't imply that his reaction-time is infallible.

It is unnecessary to prove infinite reaction time from Neji: only enough time to trump anything Gaara has which Neji did in spades.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He has good reaction-time, but you are overrating it.

He has excellent reaction times: among the best of any ninja we have seen without precog or amping. That counts out Sage Mode, Raiton Armor and the sharingan.

You're actually overrating Gaara.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your point still fails horribly, no matter how much you rage about it. It does nothing to stop Gaara. 🙂

I know you are but what am I?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Show me him moving while using it.

Show me where it states Neji has to remain stationary while using it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Do be a dear and point out where I said that.

Do be a dear and look up the definition of "rhetorical question".

Hint: the answer to that question is this (and it has nothing to do with your pretentious projection of the question upon yourself): Gaara cannot spam sand tsunamis endlessly because he cannot do those at the point of the chunin exams and it requires too much chakra even if you can assume he does it over and over again.

Of course, you'll ask yourself "why does that point even matter to begin with?" Because that is what it would take to overwhelm Neji enough to keep him away. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
Afraid not.

Afraid so. Gaara was gassed when fighting against Sasuke BEFORE going into his ball-charge-up-biju-mode.

Guess what Sasuke's speed was at the chunin exam when he fought Gaara?

3-3.5 (it may be 3.5).

Guess what Neji's is? 3-4.

Volume 13 is the cut off for the first databook. Volume 14 is where the second databook starts. So Neji and Sasuke are both between 3-4 with Sasuke being the slower one at the end of databook 2's timeline.

In the context of the chunin exams, Neji is about the same as Sasuke. We know for a fact that Neji had to be that fast to keep up with Lee. Lee, by the way, could never beat Neji. 🙂

So you have someone around the speed of Sasuke wearing Gaara down. Sucks being horribly wrong, doesn't it?

🙂

Gaara gets gassed and Neji delivers the killing blow before Gaara even has time to go bijuu mode. You'll cry about this, too, right?

Let's bring it back on point.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-86-9/naruto/chapter-81.html

Kankuro says that Neji and Gaara are the "two monsters" of the chunin exam. I guess that takes away the notion that Ten Ten is being biased, right? derpy derpy dooo!

And Neji had yet to reveal his signature moves such as his ultimate defense and 64 palm strikes. Oh boy. Good times. So Kankuro confirms that Neji is about the same as Gaara withOUT seeing Neji's signature moves. teehee.

But wait...Kankuro realizes that Neji is hiding those powers. mwhahahahahah

http://www.mangareader.net/93-86-10/naruto/chapter-81.html

It sucks for you to be on the losing end, post after post, doesn't it? mwhahahahaha

What if Gaara uses sand amor?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-88-9/naruto/chapter-83.html

Oh shiddd! lololololol More wasted stamina and chakra and it will do Gaara no good because Neji can just dissipate the chakra and cause it to crumble OR he could just go straight for the chakra points right through the sand. mwhahahahahaha

And then there's the statement that lee is nothing to Neji.

http://www.mangareader.net/93-89-14/naruto/chapter-84.html

Originally posted by NemeBro
That's not really my point. The point is he could manage to do it to a faster opponent than Neji.

So by avoiding my point, which directly counters yours, you think you've made a good point?

That's not how it works. You can't ignore counters.

Sasuke was only marginally faster than Neji...if at all. Databook says it all. Sasuke only improved to 3.5 by the second databook. That may include his chunin exam fight against Gaara. Neji improved to a solid 4 by the second databook. I will concede that Neji is probably at a 3 when he was at the chunin exams, however.

That still places Neji well within the range of Sasuke's speed. And that should make perfect sense to you: how can Neji keep up with ungated Lee? Simple: he's fast and has uber reactions. This is hardly a new argument for why Neji was so powerful.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And succeeded, obviously.

You mean failed, obviously. You've been buried so deep that you will not be able to recover form this. You've already used your best with your scans, earlier. I countered most of those. Now you have additional statements which make you fail.

Originally posted by NemeBro
"No u" is not and never was an argument. Back up your posts with logic and evidence instead of blathering on nigh-incoherently.

Pretending that my statement is a "no u" comment is never a proper counter. If you're too lazy to read a thread before posting arguments, don't participate in the threads. I am under no obligation to quote my posts to you and that came down from a global mod. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
If by "several pages" you meant "about 2 that we see on-panel", then yes. Sasuke couldn't stop it in time, Neji certainly can't.

That fact that you even acknowledge 2 pages (it was about a chapter lol) is more than enough especially since Sasuke started all the way up the wall on the other side of the arena and run down to Gaara: that's not more than enough for a neji who is not stupid enough to go that far.

But, hey, it was a nice try on your part. (Actually, it wasn't. It was more dishonest arguing you attempted to do with scans.)

Originally posted by NemeBro
Why yes I do.

Of course you do. That's why it was countered.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this.

It has been proven already. Go back and read the thread. If you want to pretend that Neji cannot disrupt the chakra in Gaara's sand, be my guest but you can kindly gtfo out of the threads for ignoring basic abilities from the participants.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this as well.

Did, already, and multiple times.

Originally posted by NemeBro
He certainly can.

He cannot. He can cover up his enemy, but he does not use more than 2 main (he may have used 3 at one point) lines of sand for attacking.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are they nearly as powerful as later? No, but he was shown to use such attacks against Lee, even while toying with him.

Pretending that he was toying with Lee when Gaara was shitting himself about how Lee's movements did not even seem human and how Gaara had to liquidate his gourd into sand to keep from getting destroyed by Lee is hardly honest on your part. "derpy do! Gaara toyed wit lee!" 😆

Originally posted by NemeBro
Prove this.

His fight with Naruto and with Hinata, obviously. 🙂

Or did you forget about Neji shrugging off Naruto's surround and attack plan?

🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
It is true that dying takes little effort.

Whew. Glad Gaara will die effortlessly at the hands of Neji, then, right?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Funny how he had to use more chakra to beat Gaara huh?

Funny how both Naruto and Gaara had to use their tailed beasts against each other when both Lee and Sasuke didn't, huh?

Ohhh shittt...you didn't think that argument through very much, huh? This is pretty common of you.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Couldn't stop it, if an opponent weaker than Gaara can go through and break it, it is not unreasonable to assume it is possible for Gaara.

lol

You say "weaker" but actually Naruto proved to be stronger withOUT using his tailed beast as much as Gaara did. On top of that, it is unreasonable to assume that Gaara can break through Neji's shield when it is considered more ultimate than Gaara's sand defense coupled with the fact that Gaara's sand will never make enough traction to do damage to Lee. Naruto's kyuubi most (not KCM) is obviously far stronger than anything any of the Chunin exam participants got to use. There is not greater strength feat than Naruto stopping the giant snake, from all of the exam participants. It's extremely unreasonable to assume that Neji's, who didn't even get full rotation in and didn't even have his shield up before Naruto made contact, shield will fall to Gaara's obviously slower and weaker sand.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And you could at least try to back your's up with evidence.

You mean you could actually stop pretending Neji's feats do not exist?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are we now under the impression that Gaara doesn't have a lot of chakra?

"Afraid so. Gaara was gassed when fighting against Sasuke BEFORE going into his ball-charge-up-biju-mode."

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gaara required more of the Kyuubi's chakra as well as Gamabunta to stop. And... Well no, not really, sure he might be able to beat fodder ninja, but it is a good thing that Gaara isn't.

Incorrect: very few ninja alive have the feats to back up what Naruto does in his initial kyuubi chakra release. Most do not have the speed or strength to stand up to that form.

It is at the point of 3 tails that the list is very short: threatening even the lives of Kage/Sanin level.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh wow and actually valid point, how about that? I admit to forgetting about this happening, though one could argue he used more chakra then due to the Kyuubi releasing naturally, and of course exagerrating his foxy features.

I would say the form Naruto released against Neji had much more chakra involved than he did stopping the snake because Naruto's chakra actually became visible against Neji (but not so against the snake):

Mostly because Naruto is in cloaked mode and he released a shit ton of chakra to get there (much more than his training with Jiraiya because he said "but more"😉

http://www.mangareader.net/93-108-19/naruto/chapter-103.html

http://www.mangareader.net/93-109-4/naruto/chapter-104.html

Additionally, notice the speed at which Naruto is moving: he's much faster than before seeming to teleport similar to Lee against Gaara. Yet Neji easily keeps track of Naruto and follows his movements.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Because Gaara's sand is suddenly slow huh?

Yeah, it's fairly slow because it can be easily outpaced by ninja's of 3-3.5 speed. 🙂

That's stupid slow, actually. It's a weak defense to rely on. Most Genin are not nearly fast enough to make Gaara have to work, though, so it doesn't matter until he fights people like Neji, Lee, or Sasuke.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Gaara's sand is quite fast actually. Fast enough to automatically kill Neji immediately? Probably not. But the notion that he will automatically dodge and avoid every attack that Gaara makes is asinine.

Actually, the notion that Gaara's slow-ass sand is enough to keep up with Neji and everything he has is quite asinine. Gaara doesn't have complexity of control required to overwhelm Neji. Neji, just a short time after the konoha invasion, can almost keep pace with dozens of attacks coming in, simultaneously. Granted, he's better by then...but not by much.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Tenten wasn't on that page.

I assume you meant this?

http://www.mangareader.net/93-106-8/naruto/chapter-101.html

No my comment was one that was obvious. The scan is unrelated to Ten Ten's statement: it is to function why Naruto was able to disperse Neji's tech.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not only is Tenten a fallible, biased party, but she's also referring specifically to the repulsing effect. Not its ability to keep Neji from being injured. And once more, can it block attacks from below?

In this particular regard, no she's not. Especially if you put it up to Kankuro's statement about Neji being a monster and grouping him into Gaara's category...and THEN shitting himself over the fact that Neji seems to be hiding his real powers.

And, of course it can block attacks from below and easily. Or do you not see the ground getting torn to shreds at every time Neji uses the tech?

Just look at that last scan I showed: the ground is not a crater from his chakra spinning.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Care to explain what about it shits over this entire thread?

Was it the part where Tenten assumed that it injured Naruto more than Neji for being the attacker? Which was not only proven wrong, but is irrelevant regardless since Gaara is a long-range fighter.

Or was it Tenten saying that no Genin can defeat Neji? You know... That statement that was proven wrong a page later. 😐 If you're using a fallible, biased character's statement as evidence, stop.

You have gone off on a tangent. Why in the world would you assume all of that when I clearly said the next page?

Ten Ten is not on the next page: the massive release of CHakra from Naruto IS, however, on the next page.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Your constant insulting me and condescending to me only hurts your credibility, rather than enhances it. You know that, right? It's the main reason why no one (And I do mean no one) likes to debate with you, has anyone actually told you this? 😬 Because if not, someone really needs to. Owait I just did. How lovely.

I apologize that you are butthurt and whine about being destroyed in a thread where you're clearly a blinded, dishonest, fanboy. And I do not care about people NOT wanting to debate with me: I only care about being right. Poor wittle baby feelings be damned.

Regardless, if you got butthurt over my obviously playful and silly insults, you need to get our more. Did I not include enough stupid smilies? Did I not include enough over-the-top and immature comebacks? Of course I did: you're just wanting to get mad about stuff because you're upset about something real world, most likely. When is the last time you rage posted recently like you did today? I cannot recall anything, of recent. 🙂

Calm down, bro. Don't be butthurt over something that I'm obviously having a laugh at.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Uhuh. Afraid not.

NUHH UHHH! You must do better than that.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Once more prove this. He could cut some thin webs with a chakra blade. Woopity doo.

Already done. You ignoring it will do nothing.

Prove that Gaara's sand will stand up to Neji's chakra injection techniques (and by extension, not be dissipated). That's what I thought. By feats, it will work and there's no reason other than fanboyism to assume otherwise. "Just cause I said so, Damnit! RAAWR!"

Originally posted by NemeBro
Won't get through the sand armour. And no, going through Hinata's clothes=/=durable chakra infused armour.

If Neji were as powerful as you seem to believe, he'd be kicking the ass of the Raikage.

Oh by the way dadudemon why is it that when Neji was trapped in a bubble of water by a clone (Of a clone...) of Kisame, he didn't just dissipate it with Gentle Fist? I mean, it's just water with chakra infused in it, right? Not really much different than sand infused with chakra, right?.

Says "several inches" against Spiderboy. So, afraid not, bro. On top of that, the armor easily crumbles to pieces IF Neji so desires to dissipate the chakra infused in the sand armor. And Neji will not be able to get through the Raikage's cloack because it appears to extend out to about the same distance as Neji can penetrate: Gaara's is less than an inch and it is very thin. Sand Armor is no a chakra shield: it is a sand shield. Only special materials that are specifically chakra sheilds (gold metal) are chakra shields. Unless you have evidence that Gaara's armor can protect against chakra injection? Go ahead, post it: I'll concede this point and say that Neji has no way of winning withOUT dissipating Gaara's sand armor.

About the bubble: oh you mean the same water bubble that Neji DID bust out of with his chakra release techs? I guess you forgot about that. Oh well. It was worth a try, though, wasn't it? 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yes because this couldn't possibly be the result of Guy being incredibly fast and strong, right? And you can of course prove that Guy was using no chakra right? Because you are aware that chakra isn't always visible when being used right?

And no, Guy's feats =/= Neji, Guy is superior to Neji in every way not relating to Neji's bloodline.

You obviously missed the point: the point is not about guy using his strength to fling the sand away. It is to show how easily it can be tossed aside with just physical force, alone. Neji can bring weak physical force but strong chakra dissipation to the table: two angles to attack the sand rather than just one.

Originally posted by NemeBro
What Guy can do is not what Neji can do.

"You obviously missed the point: the point is not about guy using his strength to fling the sand away. It is to show how easily it can be tossed aside with just physical force, alone. Neji can bring weak physical force but strong chakra dissipation to the table: two angles to attack the sand rather than just one."

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right because Neji can Kaiten to infinity without ever depleting his chakra reserves, which are much smaller than Gaara's, huh?

"Gaara cannot spam sand tsunamis endlessly because he cannot do those at the point of the chunin exams and it requires too much chakra even if you can assume he does it over and over again.

Of course, you'll ask yourself "why does that point even matter to begin with?" Because that is what it would take to overwhelm Neji enough to keep him away. 🙂 "

Originally posted by NemeBro
Neji had to deal with Lee on a daily basis, yes, but Lee used abilities on Gaara he never used on Neji.

This somehow counters that Lee still broke through, pre-gates?

Oh, wait, it doesn't. And Lee doesn't have the ability to dissipate the chakra infused into Gaara's sand, as well.

Originally posted by NemeBro
They failed to beat him, and Lee was nearly crippled.

If only Lee could have used ninjutsu, huh? Like..I dunno...the ability to diffuse chakra in chakra infused materials AND the ability to shut off chakra flow.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm sorry, but Neji is not beating the main (Genin) antagonist of the arc, no matter how much you may want him to.

I'm sorry but they were both the main atagonists and we have on panel evidence of that...and that statement was made by Gaara's brother BEFORE he saw Neji's real abilities. Sorry, bro....but it was a nice try.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Please do prove it is slow. He can react to it, sure, but indefinitely? No. The only way Neji could win this fight is if Gaara toys with him like he did Lee.

Unfortunately, Gaara did not toy with Lee for long. And he did not toy with Sasuke as well...before becoming out of breath and taping into his biju chakra.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah man cause if you didn't notice by me calling Gaara boring not too long ago I am so biased for Gaara.

Uh, yeah. The bias is obviously in favor of Neji and I caught you multiple times now trying to dishonestly manipulate scans in favor for Gaara, against Neji. You're either biased or I butthurt you so bad that you're raging and can't let it go. Oh, wait...it's the latter. My bad. I take back my statement: you're just raging, not bias.

Originally posted by NemeBro
As the legendary dadudemon would put it: No u.

Legendary? cry

hugs

Originally posted by NemeBro
That doesn't imply Neji can withstand a relentless sand onslaught capable of creating tsunamis or protecting a section of a village from a bomb.

I disagree, obviously. Sure, everything around Neji would be destroyed but Neji would be perfectly protected. We can go with PSI, if you'd like: if a Kunai throw by a Chakra enhanced Naruto (he was infused with a shit ton of it...more than he was at any point up to the fight). The PSI created by such a small Kunai at it's sharp tip would be vastly superior to the PSI that could be generated by a wall of sand..and not just by a little: a shit load more PSI would come from the super strong throw from Naruto.

Actually, thinking about it, Gaara would be better off trying to get through Neji's bubble with stabbing attacks as he could create far greater PSI at a sharp point with his sand.

Originally posted by NemeBro
If you want to use Sand Four arc feats Gaara can literally bury Neji hundreds of feet underground before he crushes him.

But of course Neji will keep spinning to victory right!

You're correct: the hundreds of feet is inaccurate, though. It's just a few feet.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Chunin Gaara might. Kage Gaara? Hahaha... No.

I think Neji has a chance if the fight starts at 20 meters or less. Granted, he may run out of chakra before he can close the gap in time...but I still think it is Gaara winning 8 out of 10 times...with Neji netting himself a killing strike about 2 out of 10.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Are you now under the impression that anyone without those things will lose to Neji? Oh laudy.

Yeah, pretty much. Even a taijutsu specialist is not enough for Neji.

You'd need someone like Guy, A, or B to compete with Neji in taijutsu. There's the problem with Neji also being able to start up his impenetrable shield. Would amped A be strong enough to break Neji's defense? Possibly. We know that kyuubi enhanced Naruto is strong enough to stop Neji when he barely got any rotation in...but what about full rotation? I dunno. We do not know the limits beyond tying Neji up with Ultra-thick spider webs (the strength of spiderwebs that size would vastly eclipse any materials (save it be carbon nano-tubes) that modern technology has to offer. Those spider webs slowed him down by PREVENTING the spinning. So at what point do we limit Neji's ultimate defense against physical force alone? Even the new Neji? I dunno...

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm sorry, but I've clearly beaten you.

I'm sorry, but you're delusional.

Edit - About your rage concerning my obviously playful posting style with you: did you not tell me to STFU when I corrected one of my posts? Surely you realize that I am playing with you in the same way I observe you playing with myself and others: boisterous and obvious exaggeration of position. Keep in mind that I never said you were stupid or were an a**hole. Nothing like that. Only that I had caught you being dishonest in presentation and that I shit all over you arguments (da troof).

That's an irrelevant point because it takes Gaara ages to fully awaken his beast.

Is that so?

Based on this, I don't think it would take him very long at all.

there was a full moon though

Gaara is not a Saiyan.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Is that so?

Based on this, I don't think it would take him very long at all.

1. That's a full moon and at night.

2. Gaara clearly took much longer on any other day and had to ball up to start the transformation during the exams.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Gaara is not a Saiyan.

not trying to take anything away from him but that's what it looks like *shrug*

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he apparently has to work up a blood thirst when there isn't a full moon

not trying to take anything away from him but that's what it looks like *shrug*

Yeah, that was mostly my point. Meh.

It seems to take him a while to change into his full-beast mode on non-full moon nights. Additionally, he didn't have to fully transform in order to bust out one long claw like that...

That means we do not have to see a contradiction to the Chunin Fight Gaara versus the Roof top Gaara.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Indeed. And that is the key to beating Neji: Catch him off guard. Or attack like crazy until he dies. Gaara can do both. 😛

Neji won't be lowering his guard against someone like Gaara. 😐
He still dies though. Chuunin Exam Neji wasn't nearly as impressive as Chuunin Exam Gaara or Sasuke Retrieval Neji for that matter.

^ he was uber during the chuunin exams.

neji's only mistake was deactivating his byakugan. he would have seen naruto underground (who apparently has byakugan himself enabling him to see where neji was)

you have to admit there was PIS there

My Naruto fanboyism makes me refuse to believe Naruto uppercutting Neji was PIS.

pained

I just...can't.....admit it....pained
pained
pained

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ he was uber during the chuunin exams.

neji's only mistake was deactivating his byakugan. he would have seen naruto underground (who apparently has byakugan himself enabling him to see where neji was)

you have to admit there was PIS there

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Except one of them did.

Using a quick substitution to catch an opponent off guard.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
^ He didn't have his Byakugan on at that point. PIS vin

Naruto came out looking like a bawss though.

kruemelmonsteryn0

And nah, Chuunin exam Neji was not uber.

stop.

neji stopped and told naruto two stories about his clan/past when he really didn't have to (within a story he does unfortunately); he had naruto dead to rights a few times and could have finished him if he wasn't bound by plot

i'll give naruto credit for not dying after getting all of his tenketsu shut off, that was pretty impressive considering it's basically certain death--possibly something to do with being uzumaki...or the title character....