Originally posted by NephthysI mean unless we know the makeup of unuthul, it's not a valid comparison. Granted that it would definitely favor in an argument towards Luke, but it's iffy at best.
What do you mean? I merely think that being able to resist someone so titanically powerful and skilled with telepathy indicates that he can do the same against Vitiate.I mean, there aren't many direct hierarchial comparisons in the mythos but we don't need them to debate versus fights.
Here is some details of the showdown of between Luke and UnuThul:
Luke reached out in the Force and found Raynar reaching back,
descending rapidly from the command deck atop the bridge structure.
Raynar's presence was as murky and heavy as always, and as soon as Luke felt it, it began to press down inside, urging him to turn back.
Luke did not resist. He was going to leave, he wanted to leave . .
. with Raynar. Luke began to exert his own will, pulling Raynar toward him, using Raynar's own power against him by binding their presences together with memories from their past: of how Luke had once helped protect Raynar's family from the Diversity Alliance, and how he had later helped Raynar's father destroy a terrible virus that could have caused a galaxywide plague. They were going to leave together. UnuThul wished Luke to go, Luke wished UnuThul to go with him, and so they would go together.
UnuThul wished it.
The weight inside suddenly diminished as Raynar started to retreat.
Luke tried to stop him, to find some part of his former student that he could hold on to. But UnuThul still had the power of the Colony behind him, and he called on that power to break the bonds of remembrance the Jedi Master had so quickly woven. His murky presence wrenched free, and the heaviness vanished from inside Luke's chest.
The highlighted part makes it clear that Luke has history with UnuThul (his former student) and makes him realize his past in which Luke helped his family a lot. This sounds like Dun Moch and it works because of Luke's history with UnuThul.
He tries similar approach again. In the final engagement between the two, Luke uses his strength in the Force to choke UnuThul and simultaneously make him realize through Dun Moch that the killicks would devour their own worlds and destroy themselves. But UnuThul is not easily convinced and fells unconscious.
UnuThul has been described like this:
The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common Jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common Jedi. He had the Force potential of the Colony to draw on, and he did that now, swinging his remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he had done before.
Yes, this is feat. He draws power from that Colony to continue fighting.
However, UnuThul never displays any incredible Force powers against Luke. At best, he performs a Force push which does sends Luke packing but his guard is down at that moment. Later on, UnuThul attempts to deal with Luke on the basis of his skills with the Lightsaber. A foolish move and display of naivety. As pointed out here;
Awed by their own strength, they so often believed strength was the answer to every problem. Luke was older and wiser. While Raynar swung, he pivoted.
Funny thing is that how easy it has become to destroy the MYTH surrounding the Luke Skywalker and the power of his opponents. Luke worshipping at its peak. 🙄
This duel has nothing on Sith Emperor, whose experience and command of the Force is incredible. His mental assault is completely different in nature and on a whole new level. His dark side powers are overwhelming and rip through the defences of even extremely powerful Jedi like butter.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Funny thing is that how easy it has become to destroy the MYTH surrounding the Luke Skywalker and the power of his opponents. Luke worshipping at its peak. 🙄
Oh yeah... Not impressive at all. It's not like UnuThul wasn't drawing upon the power of countless Kiliks. Oh wait.
This duel has nothing on Sith Emperor, whose experience and command of the Force is incredible. His mental assault is completely different in nature and on a whole new level. His dark side powers are overwhelming and rip through the defences of even extremely powerful Jedi like butter.
Really? I seem to recall Revan holding his won for a while. Sure the Emperor is powerful... But Luke is on a different level.
Originally posted by ares834
Oh yeah... Not impressive at all. It's not like UnuThul wasn't drawing upon the power of countless Kiliks. Oh wait.
Originally posted by ares834
Really? I seem to recall Revan holding his won for a while. Sure the Emperor is powerful... But Luke is on a different level.
Luke came close when he once faced Abeloth but he only channelled the Light side of the Force. Luke is damn good. Bot nothing God-like.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
His Force attacks were nothing. He performs Force push and that's it.
A force push bolstered by the power of countless individuals... The only reason it didn't turn Luke into a smear was through Luke's onw power.
Not by a significant margin. Revan performed an amazing feat when he send the Emperor packing with it. No other Jedi has done this before.
Lol... It created a small explosion nothing more. In fact, the explosion was so small that Revan merely staggered and the Emperor who didin't even prepare a defense was blown back but left relatively unharmed....
Originally posted by ares834
A force push bolstered by the power of countless individuals... The only reason it didn't turn Luke into a smear was through Luke's onw power.
Luke was caught off-guard in the first case.
In the next case, he was ready and his defences were up.
Originally posted by ares834
Lol... It created a small explosion nothing more. In fact, the explosion was so small that Revan merely staggered and the Emperor who didin't even prepare a defense was blown back but left relatively unharmed....
Originally posted by Nephthys
Lol @ Luke not being God-like. Yeah, he's just a regular old Force user who can resist the supermassive black hole at the centre of the universe and take on someone with 12 times as much raw power as him and win.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
I'll convey the ignored one's remarks:
He wishes to apologize for his monumental stupidity and formally concedes his arguments to you, ending on a gentle prayer for forgiveness.
He will get all the pending responses from me in other threads. That is what I have mean't.
Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
Careful, given all the ammo we have as far as your own attacks.
Words like genius, bullshit, numbskull are no where near to the cheap mentality that you displayed above.
Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I have not resorted to personal level attacks. There is clear distinction. There are limits that I do not cross and neither I would tolerate such thing from another member.Words like genius, bullshit, numbskull are no where near to the cheap mentality that you displayed above.
Like when you called me 'pathetic' not once, but twice? That seemed a little personal at the time.