Luke Skywalker vs Emperor Tenebrae

DS
You keep calling it an unconfirmed legend, but the planet IS dead with the force.

The fact that the planet is dead does not confirm the details of the legend.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
The fact that the planet is dead does not confirm the details of the legend.

DS
Gives credence to it.

If I tell my nephew that he entered this world courtesy of a special delivery by a magical stork, does the very fact that he exists prove me correct?

I see no reason to assume that this is the case; if it were any other character being under scrutiny, we would not assume this to be true. If we must, then we must in turn take the quote that Sidious knows "almost all the known powers" and so forth to be true.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
If I tell my nephew that he entered this world courtesy of a special delivery by a magical stork, does the very fact that he exists prove me correct?

I see no reason to assume that this is the case; if it were any other character being under scrutiny, we would not assume this to be true. If we must, then we must in turn take the quote that Sidious knows "almost all the known powers" and so forth to be true.

But that isn't the quote about Sidious, is it now? If that were the quote, then it would be somewhat valid. That is, arguments could be made to support it. But the quote says that he knows all previous powers and creates others at his leisure, which you cannot give credence to.

And as I said, the fact that the planet is lifeless doesn't confirm all of the details anymore than my nephew's existence proves the idea that a magical stork brought him into being.

Originally posted by RevanSpoilers
And as I said, the fact that the planet is lifeless doesn't confirm all of the details anymore than my nephew's existence proves the idea that a magical stork brought him into being.

I'm not following, You're comparing a legend which is seemingly not only possible but very likely, in a fictional universe, to something in the real universe we know to be fictional. That's not a valid comparison.

What I'm saying is that we apply real world logic to this fictional universe; we can't conclude that the legend and its myriad of details are all true based on the fact that the planet is devastated. Nyriss observed what remained of the planet and still qualified the legend with an admission that she can't confirm its authenticity, i.e. it might not be true.

So why should we assume that it is? She is presented with the same facts that we are {she is, after all, the one who gives them to us} and she still emphatically states she cannot verify it.

in all seriousness though, i love video games, but not MMOs. what game are we talking about, and is it an MMO? AND, i didn't think Revan was out yet?

Tenebrae is the name of the Sith Emperor, who is the leader of the True Sith Empire that Kreia was talking about. He appears in The Old Republic, which is an MMO. You can see details in the thread in the Star Wars EU subforum.

the Old Republic? Is that the name of the game? I honestly thought all along when you guys mentioned that that you were simply talking about, well, the time period of the Old Republic. How does that work, if it is an MMO? It can't have a concrete story line with everyone playing it and constantly changing it can it?

Wookiepedia.

Official Website.

Its very story focused. Each class has its own storyline, companions etc.

yeah, an MMO just doesn't work with my schedule. anywhere just to read the storyline? would wiki be best for that?

Probably. Or ask Beefy. Hes got crazy beta access yo.

truejedi
the Old Republic? Is that the name of the game? I honestly thought all along when you guys mentioned that that you were simply talking about, well, the time period of the Old Republic.

i don't understand anything.

ok you guys, i'm sorry. i'm new here, and new to star wars, and i'm just trying to explain my opinions, but if you don't all stop flaming me and calling me names, then i can't help it, and i get my feelings all hurt.

I don't understand what i did to make you all mad, but I'm sorry. so sorry. actually i take it back, you are all mean, so i'm not sorry if you're only being mean.

Originally posted by truejedi
ok you guys, i'm sorry. i'm new here, and new to star wars, and i'm just trying to explain my opinions, but if you don't all stop flaming me and calling me names, then i can't help it, and i get my feelings all hurt.

I don't understand what i did to make you all mad, but I'm sorry. so sorry. actually i take it back, you are all mean, so i'm not sorry if you're only being mean.

Get off of tj's account.

it is possible that the Jedi could beat the empire if Luke snuck onto the death star and stealthed his whole team into Sidious's chambers and killed him. just sayin'.

Originally posted by Zampanó
But in all seriousness, I think it's clear that Luke would be able to defeat this emperor dude. Luke's power in the Dark Nest Crisis trilogy eclipsed the combined Force potential of an entire planet singlehandedly. This is not even the most powerful version of Luke.

Also, UnuThul never demonstrates any unique powers. He just performs some Force pushes. Also, Luke Skywalker proves to be wiser because of his greater experience.

Originally posted by Zampanó
Later, he displays considerable aptitude for illusions, proving him proficient in the arena of mental powers. This goes as far as cloaking an entire fleet, and maybe a planet? (It's been a long time since I've read Invincible.)

Point is that Luke Skywalker does not understands Lord Vitiate.

He knew UnuThul.

[i]Originally posted by Zampanó [/i
In terms of sheer Force aptitude, I'm going to need a bit more than ridiculous Force lightning from the Emperor before I'm willing to count Luke Everloving Skywalker out of the race.

Luke 7/10

Also, if this is not enough; The Sith Emperor singlehandedly destroyed his entire Dark Council which comprised of the most powerful Sith Lords in Galaxy.

This battle is very tough for even Luke too.

It shouldn't be that tough. Likely Vitiate will just run onto his lightsaber. smurph