Lord Thor v Superboyprime

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Prime gets hurt by Superboy, Martian Manhunter, Kid Flash, and Superman and similarly tiered characters. He has since he came back in Infinite Crisis and was further backed up by Sinestro Corps War and Legion of Three Worlds. And again in Teen Titans prior to the reboot. Sorry if that pisses people off but the fact of the matter is that Prime being able to tank universal destroying blasts is so far above and beyond what he's normally taken it can be written off as a high end feat (if not his highest) or even PIS.

Seriously, you people need to stop romanticizing Prime and placing him on a level he's simply not on. The comics don't agree with you and saying "Well, on the forum, he's at his best" doesn't mean you throw out every showing you don't agree with.

Also, the context to many of Prime's feats are conveniently left out (ie. "retconing reality"😉. I get that people want to splooge all over Prime's WTF worthy feats, but c'mon. And if you honestly think Prime stands a chance in hell against Mordru one on one, well, you're deluded. Prime's resistant to magic. He didn't display any durability to suggest he can no sell attacks from beams capable of destroying the material of Cap's shield or adamantium, let alone displaying anything even close to justify him enduring a Desak one shot hammer toss.

Unless, of course, you think Prime can endure universe busting attacks as the norm. 😐

Spoilers:

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comics don't agree with you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
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Prime gets hurt by Superboy, Martian Manhunter, Kid Flash, and Superman and similarly tiered characters. He has since he came back in Infinite Crisis and was further backed up by Sinestro Corps War and Legion of Three Worlds. And again in Teen Titans prior to the reboot. Sorry if that pisses people off but the fact of the matter is that Prime being able to tank universal destroying blasts is so far above and beyond what he's normally taken it can be written off as a high end feat (if not his highest) or even PIS.

Seriously, you people need to stop romanticizing Prime and placing him on a level he's simply not on. The comics don't agree with you and saying "Well, on the forum, he's at his best" doesn't mean you throw out every showing you don't agree with.

Also, the context to many of Prime's feats are conveniently left out (ie. "retconing reality"😉. I get that people want to splooge all over Prime's WTF worthy feats, but c'mon. And if you honestly think Prime stands a chance in hell against Mordru one on one, well, you're deluded. Prime's resistant to magic. He didn't display any durability to suggest he can no sell attacks from beams capable of destroying the material of Cap's shield or adamantium, let alone displaying anything even close to justify him enduring a Desak one shot hammer toss.

Unless, of course, you think Prime can endure universe busting attacks as the norm. 😐

Spoilers:

Spoiler:
comics don't agree with you.

With that said, who cares about Prime being able to withstand a universal attack? Blunt force durability isn't the same as energy projection durability. King Thor can easily hurt Prime with Mjolnir, although Lord Thor doesn't have Mjolnir. But Prime would be highly resistant (not immune) to Thor's energy blasts though.

Second, the speed difference is so great that it is asinine to assume that Thor would get the same amount of hits in on Prime as he gets in on Thor. Prime isn't just going to sit there like a punching bag and let Thor do his worst. To assume so is to have a form of bias (Damborgson?).

Finally, there are two theories when arguing comics. Arguing them as what will happen in a comic and arguing them as what would happen in a forum where the characters aren't subjected to mediocrity of the norm. In other words, they fight with their A game. Comics may have a character fight at their A game less than half the time.

Originally posted by Rez
Oh i forgot to mention,both characters have full access to all their powers 😉

With this bit of stipulation, King Thor would then have full access to the Odin force. Lets face it, King Thor was only using a fraction of the Odin force's potential. With full access, it may as well be like Odin vs SBP wherein King Thor would stomp the shit out of SBP.

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not about throwing out what we don't agree with.
Now you can argue PIS for the universal explosion feat and it would be a valid argument. But you can't argue that characters will fight at their norm and not at their best as shown before. This is not a comic fight (where the norm exists) but a forum fight where the rule explicitly says that characters fight at their best AS SHOWN BEFORE (with the exception of PIS).

With that said, who cares about Prime being able to withstand a universal attack? Blunt force durability isn't the same as energy projection durability. King Thor can easily hurt Prime with Mjolnir, although Lord Thor doesn't have Mjolnir. But Prime would be highly resistant (not immune) to Thor's energy blasts though.

Second, the speed difference is so great that it is asinine to assume that Thor would get the same amount of hits in on Prime as he gets in on Thor. Prime isn't just going to sit there like a punching bag and let Thor do his worst. To assume so is to have a form of bias (Damorg?).

Finally, there are two theories when arguing comics. Arguing them as what will happen in a comic and arguing them as what would happen in a forum where the characters aren't subjected to mediocrity of the norm. In other words, they fight with their A game. Comics may have a character fight at their A game less than half the time.

Prime was at his best when he was fighting all those characters I mentioned. He wasn't suffering from any plot device weaknesses nor was he under adverse effects of any kind. That's the problem. Prime is afforded this kind of ridiculous treatment just because he's Prime.

Depending on the point in time in the comics, he does have Mjolnir.

Unfortunately, Prime doesn't use his speed in the manner you like to argue him and other beings possessing super speed. It just doesn't happen in comics, and I for one don't subscribe to the idea that every time a character doesn't speedblitz combo-to-ko a character they were somehow not at their best. But we've already debated on the stance of speed and its importance and we both know where we each stand on that issue, so there's really no point to argue about it again.

My main beef is this ridiculous idea that Prime is somehow beyond King Thor's means to damage which is laughable considering who's hurt Prime and the fact that it's been done on such a consistent basis.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prime was at his best when he was fighting all those characters I mentioned. He wasn't suffering from any plot device weaknesses nor was he under adverse effects of any kind. That's the problem. Prime is afforded this kind of ridiculous treatment just because he's Prime.

Depending on the point in time in the comics, he does have Mjolnir.

Unfortunately, Prime doesn't use his speed in the manner you like to argue him and other beings possessing super speed. It just doesn't happen in comics, and I for one don't subscribe to the idea that every time a character doesn't speedblitz combo-to-ko a character they were somehow not at their best. But we've already debated on the stance of speed and its importance and we both know where we each stand on that issue, so there's really no point to argue about it again.

My main beef is this ridiculous idea that Prime is somehow beyond King Thor's means to damage which is laughable considering who's hurt Prime and the fact that it's been done on such a consistent basis.

But you are not seeing the point. You are arguing from a standpoint of averages. If this was the rule then you would have a point. I thought the OP clarified that Lord Thor is the one that doesn't have Mjolnir. Maybe I was mistaken. Anyway, even if Prime doesn't blitz him right away then he simply just doesn't stand there and let Thor attack him. Now I will agree that if Prime just stood there then he will lose. But my argument is that he won't just sit there and thus causing him to beat Thor with ease.

Originally posted by h1a8
If Prime was fighting at his best then that means he was hitting them with forces beyond thousands of Earth weights.

But you are not seeing the point. You are arguing from a standpoint of averages. If this was the rule then you would have a point. I thought the OP clarified that Lord Thor is the one that doesn't have Mjolnir. Maybe I was mistaken. Anyway, even if Prime doesn't blitz him right away then he simply just doesn't stand there and let Thor attack him. Now I will agree that if Prime just stood there then he will lose. But my argument is that he won't just sit there and thus causing him to beat Thor with ease.

The way you argue is always one sided. You give SBP the benefit of "the best of their abilities" while ignoring the other sides' powers and assume that they just sit there and wait.

It works both ways. Thor would use the Odin Force and pimp slap SBP so hard he'd wish he were dead.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
The way you argue is always one sided. You give SBP the benefit of "the best of their abilities" while ignoring the other sides' powers and assume that they just sit there and wait.

It works both ways. Thor would use the Odin Force and pimp slap SBP so hard he'd wish he were dead.

😂 You must be new here.

Everyone here knows that speed is my god. I favor those who are faster.
I assume everyone is fighting at their best. I'm not bias to anyone in particular but speed my friend. Get the facts straight. Remember I agreed with Jake that if Prime sat there then he would lose.

Originally posted by h1a8
😂 You must be new here.

Everyone here knows that speed is my god. I favor those who are faster.
I assume everyone is fighting at their best. I'm not bias to anyone in particular but speed my friend. Get the facts straight. Remember I agreed with Jake that if Prime sat there then he would lose.

No. Your DC/Superman biased. You take your favored character's highest feats and PIS feats and argue them as the character's norm and at the same time you down play whoever your favored character is up against. Not to mention you either discredit, dismiss or out right refuse to accept the other side's feats.

I'm sure anybody who has tried to argue with you will agree with me.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
No. Your DC/Superman biased. You take your favored character's highest feats and PIS feats and argue them as the character's norm and at the same time you down play whoever your favored character is up against. Not to mention you either discredit, dismiss or out right refuse to accept the other side's feats.

I'm sure anybody who has tried to argue with you will agree with me.

Still think I'm D.C. Superman bias now or rather speed and science bias?

I don't argue PIS feats, I argue high non PIS feats. Why? Because
1. This is not a comic fight
2. Rules suggest each character will have their A game and perform at best ability.

I don't downplay the character I'm arguing against. Trust me, I favor speed, skill, and power in that order. Show me any instance where I favored a slower and less skilled D.C. character over a Marvel character and you will have a point.

Originally posted by h1a8
😂 You must be new here.

Everyone here knows that speed is my god. I favor those who are faster.
I assume everyone is fighting at their best. I'm not bias to anyone in particular but speed my friend. Get the facts straight. Remember I agreed with Jake that if Prime sat there then he would lose.

Prime beats every version of Thor ever existing all the same time.

Originally posted by Damborgson
😂 the hell? Nice try. But your still a ways away from becoming a truly effective troll.

I'm not here to Troll,i am here to discuss comics,What are you here for?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Prime was at his best when he was fighting all those characters I mentioned. He wasn't suffering from any plot device weaknesses nor was he under adverse effects of any kind. That's the problem. Prime is afforded this kind of ridiculous treatment just because he's Prime.

Depending on the point in time in the comics, he does have Mjolnir.

Unfortunately, Prime doesn't use his speed in the manner you like to argue him and other beings possessing super speed. It just doesn't happen in comics, and I for one don't subscribe to the idea that every time a character doesn't speedblitz combo-to-ko a character they were somehow not at their best. But we've already debated on the stance of speed and its importance and we both know where we each stand on that issue, so there's really no point to argue about it again.

My main beef is this ridiculous idea that Prime is somehow beyond King Thor's means to damage which is laughable considering who's hurt Prime and the fact that it's been done on such a consistent basis.

Same could be said about King Thor,i have noticed certain folk tend to overhype him here 😉

Originally posted by h1a8
It's not about throwing out what we don't agree with.
Now you can argue PIS for the universal explosion feat and it would be a valid argument. But you can't argue that characters will fight at their norm and not at their best as shown before. This is not a comic fight (where the norm exists) but a forum fight where the rule explicitly says that characters fight at their best AS SHOWN BEFORE (with the exception of PIS).

With that said, who cares about Prime being able to withstand a universal attack? Blunt force durability isn't the same as energy projection durability. King Thor can easily hurt Prime with Mjolnir, although Lord Thor doesn't have Mjolnir. But Prime would be highly resistant (not immune) to Thor's energy blasts though.

Second, the speed difference is so great that it is asinine to assume that Thor would get the same amount of hits in on Prime as he gets in on Thor. Prime isn't just going to sit there like a punching bag and let Thor do his worst. To assume so is to have a form of bias (Damborgson?).

Finally, there are two theories when arguing comics. Arguing them as what will happen in a comic and arguing them as what would happen in a forum where the characters aren't subjected to mediocrity of the norm. In other words, they fight with their A game. Comics may have a character fight at their A game less than half the time.

"who cares about Prime being able to withstand a universal attack?
You forgot to add "Destroying" in between universal and attack 😉
Did'nt wolverine cut off KT,s arm???what makes you think SBP wont hurt him??? 😂

Originally posted by h1a8
I'm not D.C. bias. Hell I use to argue that Spidey will beat WW before I found out how fast she was. I argued against Batdude that CA beats Bats for many many pages. Also I argued WW against Superman as well. You got me all wrong. I argue Superman because he is both powerful and fast. Give Thor Superman's speed and mobility and he will beat Superman for a majority with ease.

Still think I'm D.C. Superman bias now or rather speed and science bias?

I don't argue PIS feats, I argue high non PIS feats. Why? Because
1. This is not a comic fight
2. Rules suggest each character will have their A game and perform at best ability.

I don't downplay the character I'm arguing against. Trust me, I favor speed, skill, and power in that order. Show me any instance where I favored a slower and less skilled D.C. character over a Marvel character and you will have a point.

Still No. your posting history shows that you are indeed Superman/DC biased.

And you do try to pass of the highest of the high feats/PIS as in character standard showings when it is clearly not.

You always ignore the "in character rule" and make your beloved superman act not like superman.

And yes, you do always downplay any character your beloved superman goes up against in forum fights. Despite numerous proof from others you downplay those feats/dismiss it or out right ignore it.

and as for your favoring science

AHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

There is no science in comic books. Writers can make up shit and call it science. Stop trying to make yourself appear impartial and fair when clearly you are not.

I could go digging for posts of yours and I bet its full of biased.

Originally posted by Bentley
Prime beats every version of Thor ever existing all the same time.

aaaand that would be Tanarus? since there are no version of Thor currently "existing" in marvel right now

Or did you mean "every version of Thor that ever existed"?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
aaaand that would be Tanarus? since there are no version of Thor currently "existing" in marvel right now

Or did you mean "every version of Thor that ever existed"?

"since there are no version of Thor currently "existing" in marvel right now" >>>> only in 616 continuity.

Originally posted by Rez
"since there are no version of Thor currently "existing" in marvel right now" >>>> only in 616 continuity.

so, aside from ultimate thor, there are other thor books of different continuity and universes out there under marvel? WHHHAAATTT?!! NONE?!! OMG!

there goes your attempt at a smart Alec reply...too bad it didn't work out for you and instead made you look like a foolish fool.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
so, aside from ultimate thor, there are other thor books of different continuity and universes out there under marvel? WHHHAAATTT?!! NONE?!! OMG!

there goes your attempt at a smart Alec reply...too bad it didn't work out for you and instead made you look like a foolish fool.

ROFL,Do you have reading difficulties? 🤨
okay i'll try be a little more coherent.616 Thor was killed,but im sure there are other Thor's that are still active within Marvels Multiverse.
Or do you have trouble accepting That marvel has a multiverse???
Oh and as soon as a Moderator help's me with a little issue i am having regarding posting scans,I'll back my opinions up 😉

Originally posted by Rez
I'm not here to Troll,i am here to discuss comics,What are you here for?