Originally posted by NemeBroSpoiler:
Final Boss: Gas Station Attendant is the worst part of the game though. Adachi was a far superior antagonist, and after him GSA is a pathetic newb.
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Until I was told how Adachi is supposed to be a dark inverse of Souji (Er, or 'Yu' now I guess. Protagonist Man!) I thought he was really lame. He barely did anything! I liked Gas Station Attendant though. It was a nice bit of mythology and I like how they set her up right at the start so you'd forget about her after the 80+ hours the game takes. Plus the bit where she kills the entire party is f*cking chilling.
If you don't intend to play Persona 4 you should at least watch Hiimdaisy's parody of it. You'll never be able to take P4 seriously again but that doesn't matter for you.
Also it is COMPLETELY FVCKING HILARIOUS.
Originally posted by Nephthys
If you don't intend to play Persona 4 you should at least watch Hiimdaisy's parody of it. You'll never be able to take P4 seriously again but that doesn't matter for you.Also it is [b]COMPLETELY FVCKING HILARIOUS.
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I've actually read it.
Dojima needs to spend some time with Nanako and stop drinking with Adachi. D:
Ah, So you called me a little girls cause I struck a nerve a little too close to home. Ok. I understand now.
List 5 non-casual reason why Skyrim is better than Dark souls. None of you can. I, however can list reasons why Dark souls is better than Skyrim.
1.Multiplayer. When A game has multiplayer, it automatically becomes better, as there is more game to master and more people can play together.
2.Boss Fights. The bosses in Dark souls are all unique designed enemies with different attack patterns and weapons. In Skyrim, bosses are just a variation of a human or creature with a special name and higher than average health. LOL if boss fights in Dark Souls are tedious I wonder what that means for Skyrim
3.Enemies, There are tons of different enemies and each of them bring something unique to the table, Undead knights will swarm you, basalisks will poison you, white robed ninja's will throw shit at you and dodge your attacks, Magicians will use thier sorcery against you. Most of the enemies in Skyrim fight the same way, Attack 2 times, pause, attack 2 times pause.
4.Weapons, As explained before, there are alot of different types of weapons and shields in the game, as well as magic attacks.
5. Gameplay, You can block, dodge, bait, sneak, parry much smoother in Dark souls than in Skyrim. This is one of the more obvious reasons why Dark Souls is better and anyone who has played both would know this.
6. Zombie Dragons
This is self explanatory.
Put simply, Dark Souls is an objectively better game, and this isn't an opinion. It's FACT. Prove me wrong,
oh that's right, you can't.
You may PREFERE Skyrim for some wacky unknown reason, but that doesn't make it better. Anyone who thinks all games are made equally are naive.
I explained why I was mad in the second post ITT.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
[B]1.Multiplayer. When A game has multiplayer, it automatically becomes better, as there is more game to master and more people can play together.
Not true at all.
2.Boss Fights. The bosses in Dark souls are all unique designed enemies with different attack patterns and weapons. In Skyrim, bosses are just a variation of a human or creature with a special name and higher than average health. LOL if boss fights in Dark Souls are tedious I wonder what that means for Skyrim
If you played Skyrim you would certainly know they are not tedious.
3.Enemies, There are tons of different enemies and each of them bring something unique to the table, Undead knights will swarm you, basalisks will poison you, white robed ninja's will throw shit at you and dodge your attacks, Magicians will use thier sorcery against you. Most of the enemies in Skyrim fight the same way, Attack 2 times, pause, attack 2 times pause.
Hmmm... I'm assuming you must have gotten five minutes into the game then. Skyrim's enemies have far more variety. Although you are right Dark Souls had more.
4.Weapons, As explained before, there are alot of different types of weapons and shields in the game, as well as magic attacks.
Same as with Skyrim...
5. Gameplay, You can block, dodge, bait, sneak, parry much smoother in Dark souls than in Skyrim. This is one of the more obvious reasons why Dark Souls is better and anyone who has played both would know this.
Uh no I wouldn't. I found Dark Souls gameplay to be clunky and slow.
6. Zombie Dragons
This is self explanatory.
Spoiler:
Almost every dragon in Skyrim is undead.
Put simply, Dark Souls is an objectively better game, and this isn't an opinion. It's FACT. Prove me wrong, oh that's right, you can't.
The critics certainly disagree...
Originally posted by ares834
Not true at all.If you played Skyrim you would certainly know they are not tedious.
Hmmm... I'm assuming you must have gotten five minutes into the game then. Skyrim's enemies have far more variety. Although you are right Dark Souls had more.
Same as with Skyrim...
Uh no I wouldn't. I found Dark Souls gameplay to be clunky and slow.
Spoiler:
Almost every dragon in Skyrim is undead.The critics certainly disagree...
Yes.
Anything is boring with that gameplay.
Glad you agree.
Nope.
I found the gameplay in Skyrim to be Crap.
Not the same, they all look healthy and alive, the ones in Dark souls are literally decaying dragons that spew poison.
The critics are far beyond corrupt. They are not to be trusted.
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
Ah, So you called me a little girls cause I struck a nerve a little too close to home. Ok. I understand now.
Well no it's because you were being a whiny little girl.
Don't get me wrong though, this posturing you're doing, and the assumption that I could give a single shit what you think about a game I like, is pretty amusing in of itself.
List 5 non-casual reason why Skyrim is better than Dark souls. None of you can. I, however can list reasons why Dark souls is better than Skyrim.
How do you define casual?
1.Multiplayer. When A game has multiplayer, it automatically becomes better, as there is more game to master and more people can play together.
Oh wow, you ****ed up right off the bat with this one. There are many people who would disagree with this notion, it is one of the most subjective traits a game can have. Trying to claim it as objective just weakens your "argument" as a whole.
2.Boss Fights. The bosses in Dark souls are all unique designed enemies with different attack patterns and weapons. In Skyrim, bosses are just a variation of a human or creature with a special name and higher than average health. LOL if boss fights in Dark Souls are tedious I wonder what that means for Skyrim
Funny, the bosses I've managed to fight in Dark Souls consisted of me jumping on their heads with an axe until they died.
Of course, Dark Souls does have better "bosses" than Skyrim, partly because Skyrim doesn't really have "bosses" like Dark Souls does.
3.Enemies, There are tons of different enemies and each of them bring something unique to the table, Undead knights will swarm you, basalisks will poison you, white robed ninja's will throw shit at you and dodge your attacks, Magicians will use thier sorcery against you. Most of the enemies in Skyrim fight the same way, Attack 2 times, pause, attack 2 times pause.
Bandits will swarm you, Frostbite Spiders will poison you, Ice Wraiths can dodge your attacks (Or rather, their natural movement makes them relatively difficult to hit), magicians will use spells on who (Gee, big surprise there, huh?). All in Skyrim.
Try harder, though, yes, Dark Souls does have superior enemy variety, and considering the type of game it is, it should.
4.Weapons, As explained before, there are alot of different types of weapons and shields in the game, as well as magic attacks.
Agreed, compared to Skyrim.
5. Gameplay, You can block, dodge, bait, sneak, parry much smoother in Dark souls than in Skyrim. This is one of the more obvious reasons why Dark Souls is better and anyone who has played both would know this.
If Dark Souls, being a game which focuses on combat, didn't do that better than Skyrim, it would be pathetic. Wow, your posts are like, so intelligent and insightful, what's next! Are you going to tell me that Streetfighter has better and more fluid fighting mechanics than Skyrim?
6. Zombie Dragons
This is self explanatory.
I haven't yet fought a dragon in Dark Souls.
Please tell me: Are the dragons in Dark Souls as boring and tedious to "fight" as they were in Demon's Souls?
Put simply, Dark Souls is an objectively better game, and this isn't an opinion. It's FACT. Prove me wrong,oh that's right, you can't.
You may PREFERE Skyrim for some wacky unknown reason, but that doesn't make it better. Anyone who thinks all games are made equally are naive.
That's so cute! You think your opinion matters, or that the reasons you like a game are superior to the reasons others do.
1. Skyrim has a more intricate and developed setting than Dark Souls.
2. Skyrim has superior roleplaying options than Dark Souls (Though that's not exactly hard to do, and is one of the flaws in Skyrim that the roleplaying aspect is not intricate enough, funny, that Skyrim's main glaring weakness is something it does better than Dark Souls).
3. Skyrim has more unique characters and a more detailed/nuanced plot/writing to Dark Souls (Again, not really hard to do. The "Souls" series is not a writing-centered game).
4. Skyrim, obviously, has much, much, much more content than Dark Souls. The world is larger, and is more densely packed with details and content, while also being more lively and dynamic in terms of being a game world than Dark Souls (Granted, this is partially because Dark Souls' world is, well you know, dead).
5. Combat in Skyrim is more fast-paced and dynamic. While Dark Souls possesses more subtle nuances and intricacy in its gameplay, at times it is indeed, clunky and slow, whereas in Skyrim you are typically always moving, acting, and it feels more "epic" than Dark Souls, which once again brings us again to personal preference: Do you prefer precise, calculated, patience in your combat, or epic clashes with legions of foes or a single strong foe? I personally believe both approaches are good, for the games they are in. In Dark Souls you exist in an unforgiving world, where you progress and succeed not through might, but through tact and patience. Skyrim is largely the opposite (Overall), in that you are meant to be an epic hero of legend, and as such the streamlined gameplay reflects that accordingly. I like both.
6. Skyrim has more options for building a character, obviously. In Dark Souls, your options are essentially limited to "In what ways do you want to make your characters dead?", and you basically had access to a variety of weapons and spells to use in a stand-up fight. Skyrim has options for pure combat, or a stealthier character, a mage, and hybrids of said builds, with many different ways to go about playing the game. Dark Souls is, ultimately, a more limiting game.
You'll note that I, much more rationally than you, acknowledged both game's strengths and weaknesses, what both games have that the others do not, and evaluated them accordingly, before adding my own personal preferences into the equation to infer that, yes, I prefer Skyrim to Dark Souls, but that does not mean Dark Souls is some objectively worse game (As a matter of fact, I very much love it so). I hold no issue with you liking Dark Souls better, but the notion that Skyrim is some objectively bad game, with Dark Souls being objectively moreso, does nothing more than make you look bad.
I, of course, have little hope that your next response won't be some variation of what you said to BT, about how these things that I like in a game are "less important" or "irrelevant," and about how I don't have a life due to enjoying these aspects in a game. Sadly, this will only make you look like more of a fool.
I explained why I was mad in the second post ITT.
Baw.
Anyway, it's really late, I'm heading to bed.
Night ya'll.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Well no it's because you were being a whiny little girl.Don't get me wrong though, this posturing you're doing, and the assumption that I could give a single shit what you think about a game I like, is pretty amusing in of itself.
How do you define casual?
Oh wow, you ****ed up right off the bat with this one. There are many people who would disagree with this notion, it is one of the most subjective traits a game can have. Trying to claim it as objective just weakens your "argument" as a whole.
Funny, the bosses I've managed to fight in Dark Souls consisted of me jumping on their heads with an axe until they died.
Of course, Dark Souls does have better "bosses" than Skyrim, partly because Skyrim doesn't really have "bosses" like Dark Souls does.
Bandits will swarm you, Frostbite Spiders will poison you, Ice Wraiths can dodge your attacks (Or rather, their natural movement makes them relatively difficult to hit), magicians will use spells on who (Gee, big surprise there, huh?). All in Skyrim.
Try harder, though, yes, Dark Souls does have superior enemy variety, and considering the type of game it is, it should.
Agreed, compared to Skyrim.
If Dark Souls, being a game which focuses on combat, didn't do that better than Skyrim, it would be pathetic. Wow, your posts are like, so intelligent and insightful, what's next! Are you going to tell me that Streetfighter has better and more fluid fighting mechanics than Skyrim?
I haven't yet fought a dragon in Dark Souls.
Please tell me: Are the dragons in Dark Souls as boring and tedious to "fight" as they were in Demon's Souls?
That's so cute! You think your opinion matters, or that the reasons you like a game are superior to the reasons others do.
1. Skyrim has a more intricate and developed setting than Dark Souls.
2. Skyrim has superior roleplaying options than Dark Souls (Though that's not exactly hard to do, and is one of the flaws in Skyrim that the roleplaying aspect is not intricate enough, funny, that Skyrim's main glaring weakness is something it does better than Dark Souls).
3. Skyrim has more unique characters and a more detailed/nuanced plot/writing to Dark Souls (Again, not really hard to do. The "Souls" series is not a writing-centered game).
4. Skyrim, obviously, has much, much, much more content than Dark Souls. The world is larger, and is more densely packed with details and content, while also being more lively and dynamic in terms of being a game world than Dark Souls (Granted, this is partially because Dark Souls' world is, well you know, dead).
5. Combat in Skyrim is more fast-paced and dynamic. While Dark Souls possesses more subtle nuances and intricacy in its gameplay, at times it is indeed, clunky and slow, whereas in Skyrim you are typically always moving, acting, and it feels more "epic" than Dark Souls, which once again brings us again to personal preference: Do you prefer precise, calculated, patience in your combat, or epic clashes with legions of foes or a single strong foe? I personally believe both approaches are good, for the games they are in. In Dark Souls you exist in an unforgiving world, where you progress and succeed not through might, but through tact and patience. Skyrim is largely the opposite (Overall), in that you are meant to be an epic hero of legend, and as such the streamlined gameplay reflects that accordingly. I like both.
6. Skyrim has more options for building a character, obviously. In Dark Souls, your options are essentially limited to "In what ways do you want to make your characters dead?", and you basically had access to a variety of weapons and spells to use in a stand-up fight. Skyrim has options for pure combat, or a stealthier character, a mage, and hybrids of said builds, with many different ways to go about playing the game. Dark Souls is, ultimately, a more limiting game.
You'll note that I, much more rationally than you, acknowledged both game's strengths and weaknesses, what both games have that the others do not, and evaluated them accordingly, before adding my own personal preferences into the equation to infer that, yes, I prefer Skyrim to Dark Souls, but that does not mean Dark Souls is some objectively worse game (As a matter of fact, I very much love it so). I hold no issue with you liking Dark Souls better, but the notion that Skyrim is some objectively bad game, with Dark Souls being objectively moreso, does nothing more than make you look bad.
I, of course, have little hope that your next response won't be some variation of what you said to BT, about how these things that I like in a game are "less important" or "irrelevant," and about how I don't have a life due to enjoying these aspects in a game. Sadly, this will only make you look like more of a fool.
Baw.
Anyway, it's really late, I'm heading to bed.
Night ya'll.
You called me that because as soon as accurately described the fan base for such games you felt a sharp pain in your buttocks region and decided to get back at me for it, just admit it.
You obviously do care a great deal since you apparently you can't sleep without telling me off first.
I'd rather define what is and what is not hardcore. Graphics are not hardcore (Unless in the rare case they enhance the game, like splinter cell), story does not make a game hardcore, music does not make a game hardcore, aesthetic preferences (I like the world of Dark Souls alot better) is not hardcore, filler content (IE most of the "quests" in skyrim) is not hardcore.
What is hardcore? Genuine challenge, Gameplay options, intricate level design, in other words, things that STIMULATE THE BRAIN doofus, That's why the first gamers created games, Things that test your ability to think, plan and act, things that keep you on your toes and once you conquer those challenges, you feel an inner feeling of satisfaction with yourself. From the first enemy I killed in Dark souls I felt that, in the 40 hours I played Skyrim I never felt such feelings. It just feels like a game that's meant to give the illusion of social status to distract from the lack of challenging gameplayy. Skyrim is a casual game for casual scumbags such as yourself and you make me sick to my stomach, i'd smash you video games if I could get away with it.
Fighting against another living, breathing human being is the ultimate test in pretty much any form of competition, there is no way having the OPTION to play with people is anything other than good, especially with the awesome way it's implemented in Dark Souls.
You agree, smart boy you are. Well maybe not, this is pretty obvious to anyone with a brain cell.
You agree again here.
Again here.
Bottom line, both are mythological games with similer settings with similer creatures where the only form of interacting with the game is through sword fighting. The excuse that Skyrim should get a free pass because it doesn't focus on combat is a terrible one,
Why do YOU think they spent time designing all those weapons? Why do you believe they though we should all get excited with the inclusion of dragons, what did you THINK we were going to do in all those endless amount of dungeons? What do we spend the majority amount of time doing in Skyrim? It's fighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE4vRk-2mjA
That's a sub-boss.
1.That doesn't add anything to the game, and Dark souls has tons of variety in it's setting anyways.
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2.Okay, this might be a valid reason, though all that talking get's boring but I guess that counts.
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3.LOL casual reason. At the end of a day, once you finish the game, if the gameplay isn't good you won't want to go through 300+ hours of the same crap for a mediocre story (Skyrim is hardly anything special as far as story, characters or voice acting)
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4. Yeah, tons of content, but it's all casual content, and if you mean replay value, Dark souls has NG+ and Multiplayer so it's got Skyrim beat there too. A world being lively doesn't mean anything. I've seen casual games with dead worlds, hardcore games with lively worlds.
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5. LOL that's a stretch. Basically what you are admitting here is that Dark souls does indeed rely on the PLAYERS skill and their ability to plan and execute where Skyrim you basically have to grind to the required level and run up to and melee as fast and mindlessly as you can, while pausing in between battle to use up a potion. And somehow this is epic? No, Picking apart a sworm of undead legionaries is epic, shallow gameplay is not.
Note that I do not have very high standards for decent gameplay, Anything Zelda level or above is good, Skyrim isn't even that good.
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TERRIBLE argument. I'm taking away two points for that one
6. Not really a reason why skyrim is better, Dark souls has just as many builds and options available. Skyrim ultimately loses for having worse gameplay.
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I'll be the nice guy I am and give you a reason, MODS on PC, that's a hardcore reason helps out skyrim, but not by much.
Let's count that, 2 out of six points, you FAILED the challenge, like I expected. But at least you tried
Being rational has nothing to do with making up reasons why to make a bad game look better with some mental gymnastics. It has to do with calling out things the way they are, like me. In the end, Dark souls is on another level, and games like Skyrim are making the world a dumber place.
It's really late? What are you? 12? Did you get saturday school young man?
Originally posted by ares834Eh, I've got to agree with this. After playing both games, I found Skyrim to be more enjoyable overall. Don't get me wrong, Dark Souls is an outstanding game. Skyrim just outdoes it.
Not true at all.If you played Skyrim you would certainly know they are not tedious.
Hmmm... I'm assuming you must have gotten five minutes into the game then. Skyrim's enemies have far more variety. Although you are right Dark Souls had more.
Same as with Skyrim...
Uh no I wouldn't. I found Dark Souls gameplay to be clunky and slow.
Spoiler:
Almost every dragon in Skyrim is undead.The critics certainly disagree...
Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
I NEVER said it couldn't make you godly, but it takes a long time to gain that much experience. And the average player will be challenged getting to that level. Skyrim is casual filth in comparison to dark souls. Lol there is no damn indestructible shield and you'll die faster than a slug in a bag of salt if you tried that strategy with any undead soldier let alone any invading black phantom.There is damn near nothing to skyrims combat other than having a high enough level. You basically just spam magic or run up to and Wack away at an enemy in a hilariously unrealistic depiction of a sword fight. Yes I'm angry because I fell for the hype and wasted 60 bucks.Unlike dark souls where even if you don't have the highest stats or the best weapons you can still kill anything with enough patience and precise timing. In skyrim, a mace and a sword might as well be the same weapon, unlike dark souls where there are dozens of unique weapons that have different damage and magical effects and play much differently.
The hellkite draken is at least five times bigger than most dragons in skyrim and the hydra suboss has seven heads each bigger than any dragon in skyrim period. I've seen giants kill the weakling dragons in skyrim.
You see bt, unlike you, I don't hate my life. I play games for the entertainment and the challenge. Dark souls is a game that focuses on the gameplay, not silly features like marriage or buying houses or boring endless search and retrieve missions or other things that are meant to make the player feel like a special little snowflake, those games are for folk like you.
I play games because of gameplay , not for a virtual reality
One playthrough, if that...half a playthrough. i was pretty much unstoppable after my first playthrough, hell I did not have trouble past the first 30 minutes of the game. So either your not very good at Dark souls or you rarely play Skyrim to know anything about it. 😆 you dont even know Dark souls it seems, never heard of "strong magic shield"? Go play more Dark souls.
Also all of that is pure ignorance especially when your comparing it to Dark souls, a game where you literally can just spam one attack to win.
The hellkite dragon is a fully scripted encounter that you dont even have to fight, that cannot even attack you if you know what your doing and can be trolled to death,literally. Yeh, and each of those heads get blocked by the characters dinky shield, have terrilbe aim and get hacked off in one or two hits. repetition of the most medicore kind imo, I enjoyed Dark souls so I wouldnt say its boring but I couldnt have played it 6/7 times through if I knew Skyrim was on my PC upstairs at the time.
No, Dark souls focuses on claiming "hardcore players buy me!" when really, the only people who cant play it through are those that need auto aim to score shots in competitive FPS. Also you listed some minor side missions in Skyrim, theres no real side missions in Dark souls and the main storyline is fairly boring, the only reason anyone plays it is because the atmosphere is decent and the bosses are fun first time through.