Game of the Year 2011

ArtificialGlory, I'm not actually arguing Skyrim is "better" than Dark Souls, which is largely what makes my argument, if you want to call it that, superior to his. I'm acknowledging that both games have strengths and weaknesses relative to one another, and that in this case it can only boil down to preference, but GoldenSpy is so incredibly butthurt and dim-witted that his posts really only boil down to "LOLNO! I is teh right you teh wraung Dark Souls is much bettar harharhar am i kewl nao guise!?"

Originally posted by TheGoldenSpy
You called me that because as soon as accurately described the fan base for such games you felt a sharp pain in your buttocks region and decided to get back at me for it, just admit it.

No, I called you that because you are taking this far more seriously than you should, and are continuing to act like (You guessed it), a pissy little girl. You're incredibly butthurt, as anyone with intelligence (Essentially, anyone who is not you) can attest to, for some unknown reason.

I can't help but notice your "argument" largely consists of a series of ad hominem attacks, which really only makes you come off as the child you are.

Try harder.

You obviously do care a great deal since you apparently you can't sleep without telling me off first.

Cry moar, if I hurt your feelings, it's only because everything I say is true. 🙂

I'd rather define what is and what is not hardcore. Graphics are not hardcore (Unless in the rare case they enhance the game, like splinter cell), story does not make a game hardcore, music does not make a game hardcore, aesthetic preferences (I like the world of Dark Souls alot better) is not hardcore, filler content (IE most of the "quests" in skyrim) is not hardcore.

Ah, the joys of being taking an elitist attitude concerning games! Though when you do that, you should probably try to have a passing knowledge of what constitutes a casual/hardcore game. Dark Souls being more "niche" and hipster than Skyrim does not make it objectively better, silly.

What is hardcore? Genuine challenge, Gameplay options, intricate level design, in other words, things that STIMULATE THE BRAIN doofus, That's why the first gamers created games, Things that test your ability to think, plan and act, things that keep you on your toes and once you conquer those challenges, you feel an inner feeling of satisfaction with yourself. From the first enemy I killed in Dark souls I felt that, in the 40 hours I played Skyrim I never felt such feelings. It just feels like a game that's meant to give the illusion of social status to distract from the lack of challenging gameplayy. Skyrim is a casual game for casual scumbags such as yourself and you make me sick to my stomach, i'd smash you video games if I could get away with it.

Right, because constant combat, combat, combat, combat, combat is much more mentally stimulating than an in-depth and layered setting, better writing, a more vivid and intricate game world, or superior roleplaying elements, right? No, not right, bad GoldenSpy! I'm trying to educate you on the error of your logic so as to prove Blax wrong, but you're making it very difficult.

Also, I love how you're wanking Dark Souls' supposed "difficulty" and "challenge." I've felt more challenged in Skyrim (On Master difficulty mind you) than I have in Dark Souls (Granted, this may partly be because I am a Demon's Souls veteran), I've stomped through every enemy I've faced in Dark Souls, with some basic maneuvers, for every enemy. Whereas in Skyrim, I've actually had to use some pretty far-out tactics. Like using Fus Roh Dah on a mage on a balcony that had a broken fire staff, before letting other mages set the oil around the balcony on fire, while I was charging and killing them with my greatsword, and as I anticipated the first mage landed in the enflamed oil and died pretty quickly. I died a few times managing that. The only enemy in Dark Souls that gave me trouble the first time was when I fought my first Black Knight early on.

By the way, do so love the ad hominem attacks at the end. Especially since they are inaccurate. If you are going to embarass yourself by using insults as a crutch for your lack of argument, at least try to be accurate about it. I spent IIRC 200 hours on Demon's Souls, but I guess that's a "casual game", lol, what a joke.

Oh, and the notion that you want to smash my games? Man, you are only so willing to further amuse me and demonstrate your butthurt for all to see.

Calm down dude. 🙂

Fighting against another living, breathing human being is the ultimate test in pretty much any form of competition, there is no way having the OPTION to play with people is anything other than good, especially with the awesome way it's implemented in Dark Souls.

Since I actually like Dark Souls'/Demon's Souls' multiplayer, I can't bash it, but no, the option of multiplayer can detract from the single player experience in certain games.

You agree, smart boy you are. Well maybe not, this is pretty obvious to anyone with a brain cell.

Smarter than you anyway.

You agree again here.

Again here.

Probably because I'm not the kind of dumbass who runs around claiming games are objectively worse than other games simply because they strive for different things and do other things better.

Bottom line, both are mythological games with similer settings with similer creatures where the only form of interacting with the game is through sword fighting. The excuse that Skyrim should get a free pass because it doesn't focus on combat is a terrible one,

Their settings are only "similar" if you ignored basically everything thing about them. Dark Souls is Low/Dark Fantasy primarily, the Elder Scrolls tends towards High/Heroic Fantasy, though it does contain some Dark Fantasy elements at times.

And uh, no, whereas in Dark Souls the only form of interacting with the game is through a head on foit, in Skyrim you can approach making things die in a variety of more ways.

I should probably point out that swordfighting in Skyrim is actually more realistic, as well, which I find just hilarious.

Oh, and I never said that last part, don't strawman me little boy.

Why do YOU think they spent time designing all those weapons? Why do you believe they though we should all get excited with the inclusion of dragons, what did you THINK we were going to do in all those endless amount of dungeons? What do we spend the majority amount of time doing in Skyrim? It's fighting.

If you interpreted my post as meaning "Skyrim isn't that concerned with combat," you were wrong. It however has greater variety in how you approach it, and does actually have options for avoiding it, largely via stealth. As well as having content that doesn't boil down to "Grimdark atmosphere" and "inctricate combat system".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE4vRk-2mjA
That's a sub-boss.

Dodge the lasers and hit it when it melee attacks you.

WOW, WHAT A GROUNDBREAKING ACHIEVEMENT IN BOSS DESIGN!!!

Old King Allant from Demon's Souls was more impressive than that. Granted, Old King Allant is one of my favorite boss fights ever.

A dragon in Skyrim makes a more exciting encounter than that.

1.That doesn't add anything to the game, and Dark souls has tons of variety in it's setting anyways.

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No no no, Skyrim, and the Elder Scrolls in general, have a far more all-encompassing, intricate, and layered setting than Dark Souls. Don't get me wrong, Dark Souls' setting is interesting (Demon's Souls was good as well), but in terms of sheer bulk of content, nuance, intricacy, and other faux-intellectual words I don't feel like mentioning, Skyrim is more-so. Once more, not saying Dark Souls' setting is bad, or even inherently inferior.

You also seem to be under the impression that what constitutes as "adding to the game" to others, is objectively false. It's not. Stop being an idiot.

2.Okay, this might be a valid reason, though all that talking get's boring but I guess that counts.

BOOP One Point!

Gets boring to you maybe.

3.LOL casual reason. At the end of a day, once you finish the game, if the gameplay isn't good you won't want to go through 300+ hours of the same crap for a mediocre story (Skyrim is hardly anything special as far as story, characters or voice acting)

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You don't actually know what constitutes casual gaming then. Wii Sports is a casual game. Skyrim is not. Investing hundreds of hours in something because you find the writing/plot suitably epic and heroic and you enjoy the nuance and individuality of the characters isn't a "casual" reason.

Stop being an idiot.

4. Yeah, tons of content, but it's all casual content, and if you mean replay value, Dark souls has NG+ and Multiplayer so it's got Skyrim beat there too. A world being lively doesn't mean anything. I've seen casual games with dead worlds, hardcore games with lively worlds.

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In Skyrim the game technically doesn't end, so... Depends on how you define replay value. Once more, it's not casual content, every side quest is unique from a storyline perspective, and has signifigantly improved on Oblivion in terms of individuality in dungeons (I enter a lot of dungeons looking for one thing and find something else as well, for instance), and while you may not care about Skyrim being a more dynamic, breathing game world, others might. Others have.

Stop being an idiot.

5. LOL that's a stretch. Basically what you are admitting here is that Dark souls does indeed rely on the PLAYERS skill and their ability to plan and execute where Skyrim you basically have to grind to the required level and run up to and melee as fast and mindlessly as you can, while pausing in between battle to use up a potion. And somehow this is epic? No, Picking apart a sworm of undead legionaries is epic, shallow gameplay is not.

I haven't had to grind in Skyrim once, actually. It all flowed pretty naturally. And lol, as I said above, no, you don't have to melee mindlessly, and doing so can actually easily get you killed. I'm not denying that Dark Souls' gameplay is more intricate and complex, but it's also, once more, clunkier, slow, and gets pretty routine honestly. I circle the dude with a shield and hit him in the back. Wow, how incredibly fulfilling. Compared to Skyrim, which has fluid, fast-paced, streamlined combat.

Once more, it's a matter of preference (I like both, honestly).

Note that I do not have very high standards for decent gameplay, Anything Zelda level or above is good, Skyrim isn't even that good./quote]

No reason to dignify this with a real response.

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TERRIBLE argument. I'm taking away two points for that one

I guess that you, being the undisputed champion in terms of terrible arguments, would know.

Stop being an idiot.

6. Not really a reason why skyrim is better, Dark souls has just as many builds and options available. Skyrim ultimately loses for having worse gameplay.

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Try not to be disingenous. In Dark Souls, all builds revolve around what stat layout you have, and exactly how you plan on making things die in straight-up combat. The core gameplay is largely unchanged, with the main variety being in what weapon you are using at the time (Armour plays a lesser factor).

Whereas in Skyrim, the difference between going pure mage, warrior, and thief/assassin is pretty big. You can easily kill all enemies without being noticed as an assassin (Which is IMO very rewarding).

I'll be the nice guy I am and give you a reason, MODS on PC, that's a hardcore reason helps out skyrim, but not by much.

I don't count mods because doing so would be completely unfair to Dark Souls, and is not part of the game proper.

Let's count that, 2 out of six points, you FAILED the challenge, like I expected. But at least you tried

No I passed, you're just not clever enough to realise this. You also fail to realise that I wasn't trying to say "THIS IS WHY SKYRIM IS OBJECTIVELY THE BETTER GAME".

Being rational has nothing to do with making up reasons why to make a bad game look better with some mental gymnastics. It has to do with calling out things the way they are, like me. In the end, Dark souls is on another level, and games like Skyrim are making the world a dumber place.

Right, because, **** all of the shit Skyrim has that Dark Souls doesn't have, not having as intricate and "challenging" gameplay means it's making the world a dumber place, huh!?

Yeah no, Skyrim inspires more creativity and is far more thought-provoking in that fashion than Dark Souls is. Dark Souls is, at the end of the day, a game that focuses entirely on combat, and making an admittedly nice and grim atmosphere. But it does those things well, which make it a good game, but to try to pass yourself off as some faux-intellectual because you are teh supar hardcoar gamer is nothing more than posturing that makes you look like a foolish, sad little boy.

Stop being an idiot. Your "argument" is so riddled with logical fumbles that it's almost sad. Though it's mostly funny.

It's really late? What are you? 12? Did you get saturday school young man?

Well no, I'm not 12, but I'm not one of those weird nightlurking neckbeards who haunt the later hours and never get any sleep.

You probably shouldn't bother responding, I've made you look like the clown you really are, and any further attempts at "refuting" me will only exacerbate this, plus, really, I'm not sure what the point of responding to you would be anymore. At this point it's like beating up a kitten, it's too easy to be rewarding. I can sadly only hope this was an attempt at trolling, for this to really be how you are would be depressing indeed.

Oh lawdy lawd. This is simply incredible.

Nah.

I'm pretty much done responding to him, so I can't entertain your miserable life anymore. 🙁

estahuh

He's trolling hardcore.

He's not trolling because trolling implies a conscious attempt to say bullshit that irritates others. Goldenspy is simply impaired mentally.

I have to admit, I do get the horrifying impression that GoldenSpy is indeed not trolling, and completely serious.

Yeah... Well we will all take something from this. Personally I'm quite partial to the "multi-player makes it better" idea. Obviously irrefutable logic, I mean the best games we know of are multiplayers; Ocarina of time... oh wait, but I mean, Bioshock... no that was the second one... hmmm, Fallout was… not a multiplayer… >_>

Anyway, poking fun aside it can be legitimately a hard choice.

My top 3 would have to be

3) Portal 2: Very funny, very cute game. The only vice I really had with this game was the fact it can be completed in a single evening. Endless amount of what I’m sure will be timeless quotes.

2) Alice: Madness Returns: Admittedly my biasness for Alice in Wonderland made me like this game more than perhaps I ought to. But I liked it quite a lot. After jamming up the difficulty it is actually quite a solid game. It was a good blend between interesting and frightening with the appearance of the game, several bosses or encounters that felt like it were genuinely hard. The plot wasn’t left lacking and I loved how her outfit changed as she changed areas.

1) Skyrim. If Skyrim is a dull, bland, and stupid game… then I guess I need to change what I start looking for in games. Personally I found it thoroughly entertaining. Personally I like to wedge the difficulty of most of my games up a notch, and as such I didn’t feel “gee, this is easy” after any point in time.

What I experienced was a visually awesome game, packed to the breaking point with content. Each quest line had their own stories, and I never felt like it was a strictly linear game, I always had a choice. Which is something I really wish other games possessed.

The Witcher 2 was indeed also awesome… but I think someone said it, I was always expecting a climax and it was always a little short. Everything else about the game was interesting enough but...Well for me that one point is a bit of a barrier.

Either stay or go, woman. You've played with our emotions enough.

Damn... you are onto my Real game on the year....

Call it my woman's intuition.

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Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
Call it my woman's intuition.

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Oh, OH! I see what you did there!

Isn't that what you get when your pants are on too tight to restrict the flow of blood to your main brain?

I'm just saying... =3

You're just mad 'cause I look way better in skinny jeans then you!

Not really, not considering that's another way of saying I look way better out of skinny jeans than you 😖hifty:

You know the deal in KMC...

Prove it biscuits

Fire department said I can't do that any more....

Joke =p I'm not that self absorbed =p

Originally posted by RE: Blaxican
He's not trolling because trolling implies a conscious attempt to say bullshit that irritates others. Goldenspy is simply impaired mentally.

I'm tryyyyyying to keep my view on humanity somewhat decent

Originally posted by EvilAngel
The Witcher 2 was indeed also awesome… but I think someone said it, I was always expecting a climax and it was always a little short. Everything else about the game was interesting enough but...Well for me that one point is a bit of a barrier.

Just preparing the ground for Witcher 3.

Yeah, I agree. The ending of Witcher 2 was very abrupt.