Lucifer Morningstar vs Scathan the Approver

Originally posted by zopzop
Read the scans again Galan. After Scathan stopped the Protege's rampage and muzzled him, proving he was more powerful than any being assembled at the trial, the LT asked Scathan to remove the muzzle and RESTRAIN the Protege as the LT passed judgement. Scathan later approved of the judgement. The Protege didn't lose any powers he had copied just because he was muzzled, he still had their powers, hence why the LT asked Scathan to restrain him.

Scathan restrained a being that had duplicated the powers of every member of the cosmic trial, the LT included. If the LT asked Scathan to kill the Protege instead, he could have done it. The Handbook entry for the LT makes it crystal clear, Scathan saved the LT's ass.

Agreed. Scathan is the more likely winner. I can only see Lucifer possibly stalemating at best.

Wasn't Scathan at that meeting. I seem to remember him there when protege was copying

Originally posted by rotiart
Wasn't Scathan at that meeting. I seem to remember him there when protege was copying

Yup and he couldn't or didn't copy Scathan's powers, even after the muzzle was removed. Scathan ftw.

Lucifer prep ftw. He probably doesn't have to lay a finger on him.

I don't know about that. I seem to remember on panel him copying everyone present on panel which would include Scathan.

Thus protege was the combination of Lt hawkgod and Scathan....
But was defeated by only Scathan

Lucifer talks Scathan into disapproving himself.

Originally posted by zopzop
Read the scans again Galan.

If Protege was still at his '> LT' levels after the muzzle was removed (as you say), you'd think he would have tried to defend himself in some way/shape/form (like he had been doing throughout the entire arc) as opposed to, you know, just standing there staring at LT. srsly

Don't care either way though. Protege was weaksauce, imo.

Originally posted by Galan007
Here we see that initially, Scathan was NOT restraining Protege after the muzzle was removed:

If Protege was still at his '> LT' levels after the muzzle was removed (as you say), you'd think he would have tried to defend himself in some way/shape/form (like he had been doing throughout the entire arc) as opposed to, you know, just standing there staring at LT. srsly

Don't care either way though. Protege was weaksauce, imo.

The Protege couldn't do anything with Scathan, the guy that owned him, standing right behind him ready for whatever the Protege was gonna throw at the court. He was the one that stopped the Protege's assault on the council, he was the one that muzzled the Protege (and the Protege with ALL the power he had accumulated, including the LT's own, couldn't break free of the muzzle), and he was the one restraining the Protege (and again the Protege couldn't break free of Scathan despite all the power he had) while the LT passed judgement. Scathan really was all that.

Protege was more powerful than the LT and on his way to becoming the new TOAA until Scathan stepped in. The part about him being more powerful than the LT isn't in dispute since it was confirmed on panel and in the handbook entry for the LT himself.

Anyway I'm thankful neither the Protege or Scathan were heard from again.

scathan is returning 🙂

Originally posted by zopzop
The Protege couldn't do anything with Scathan, the guy that owned him, standing right behind him ready for whatever the Protege was gonna throw at the court. He was the one that stopped the Protege's assault on the council, he was the one that muzzled the Protege (and the Protege with ALL the power he had accumulated, including the LT's own, couldn't break free of the muzzle), and he was the one restraining the Protege (and again the Protege couldn't break free of Scathan despite all the power he had) while the LT passed judgement. Scathan really was all that.

Protege was more powerful than the LT and on his way to becoming the new TOAA until Scathan stepped in. The part about him being more powerful than the LT isn't in dispute since it was confirmed on panel and in the handbook entry for the LT himself.

Anyway I'm thankful neither the Protege or Scathan were heard from again.

I too am very glad they are gone. I loathe those characters.

One thing I wanna point out is the fact that Scathan before he is shown, unleashed a blast (orange rings of energy) that rocked everybody present except maybe LT. Then he appears standing with the same rings of energy around him. This happens right before he is shackled.

Making Scathan more impressive is the fact that the super team of Hawkgod, Eternity, and LT opposed Protege and LT stated he may need extra power from Ancient 1's Amulet. Scathan flat out trumped everybody.

Now guy says he's comming back so we'll soon see if this showing is pure PIS or not. Anything less than 2nd in command of the MU is unacceptable.

👆

Originally posted by Galan007 I think you sort of missed my point. Initially, Scathan was not restraining Protege after removing the muzzle. So if Protege was still '> LT' at that point in time (like you said), why didn't he try to defend himself against LT, instead of staring at him like a scared child..? I too am very glad they are gone. I loathe those characters.

agreed.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think you sort of missed my point. Initially, Scathan was not restraining Protege after removing the muzzle. So if Protege was still '> LT' at that point in time (like you said), why didn't he try to defend himself against LT, instead of staring at him like a scared child..?

I too am very glad they are gone. I loathe those characters.

So what happened to the power the Protege absorbed? Did the muzzle remove it? Anyway you look at it, Scathan owned the Protege who was above the LT in power. This was further cemented at the very end when the LT was passing judgement on the Protege he had to draw power from the Eye of Agamotto. Why would he need to do that if the Protege wasn't above him in power?

Scathan >>>>>>Protege>>>>>>>>>>>LT.

i love that lt thought he needed the amulet to add to his power. 😂

what a horrific arc that was, though at the time i seem to remember enjoying it. scathan was one of the dumbest, most illogical deux ex machinas i've ever seen. i'm going to go ahead and simply assume protege may have had lt's powers but had no inkling how to use them and therefore scathan was able to take him out with....whatever that ridiculous muzzle was. or maybe that muzzle would work on lt too? reed did shoot him once, after all so maybe it's LT who is being overrated by everyone....

lucifer is cooler, feats are less illogical, more concrete and he has the history of feats that that one-timer doesn't. lucifer ends him.

Originally posted by zopzop
This was further cemented at the very end when the LT was passing judgement on the Protege he had to draw power from the Eye of Agamotto. Why would he need to do that if the Protege wasn't above him in power?

...No way in hell the amulet contains anywhere near that amount of power.

God that story was horrid. 😘

Originally posted by Galan007
Here's the funny part: beforehand, Protege was more powerful than LT+Eternity+Beyonder+Hawk God. So if Protege was still at the peak of his power when LT judged him at the end, the power LT was leeching from the ancient one's amulet would have needed to be significantly more powerful than Eternity+Beyonder+Hawk God, otherwise it wouldn't have made a difference.

...No way in hell the amulet contains anywhere near that amount of power.

God that story was horrid. 😘

Hehe, feel my pain. Now you know how I felt when Bendis fxxked one of my favorite characters over in that recent New Avengers Annual 🙁

I love those Celestials and LT

Originally posted by Galan007 Here's the funny part: beforehand, Protege was more powerful than LT+Eternity+Beyonder+Hawk God. So if Protege was still at the peak of his power when LT judged him at the end, the power LT was leeching from the ancient one's amulet would have needed to be significantly more powerful than Eternity+Beyonder+Hawk God, otherwise it wouldn't have made a difference. ...No way in hell the amulet contains anywhere near that amount of power. God that story was horrid. 😘

pretty much all cosmic stories suck, imo. very few are good. sandman and lucifer being the best.

good read

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