Thor (Without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine ---Revised Thread
Thor (Without Mjolnir) VS Wolverine ---Revised Thread
No prep/bfr. No Mjolnir/lightning. Fight is in the forest surrounding
xavier's mansion, at night in near total darkness. fight ends when either logan's healing factor or thor's enhanced healing no longer functions.
who wins?
there wont be any healing factor in this fight, there wont be any cutting and slashing in this fight, in this fight thor isnt trying to talk sense into wolverine, in this fight wolverine jumps on thor to cut him only to get his arms grabed by thor, who was able to catch harmes so no reason for him not to be able to catch wolverine, then all the fight is wolverine getting slammed against the ground until only adamantium skeleton is left on the ground, end of fight.
Originally posted by cdtm
Wolverine gets in some good swipes. Wolverines healing factor holds out until Thor hits him. Once. 😄Unless someone wants to argue a single Thor punch does less damage than a gunshot to the head, or any of the other ways Wolverines been laid out that contradict him getting up from class 100 hits?
Thor's been knocked by cold war era Vietnamese artillery fire! Hulk was beaten by a python! Spider-man could beat them both at the same time! Duuuuuuuuuuurdur
Citing PIS is against the forum rules. Please go read said rules, then show that you have the common courtesy to fallow them or don't bother posting.
Wolverine beats Thor in any and all pure melee exchange. In a scenario laid out like this one, where Wolverine can use his substantial stealth and hunting abilities, he just wins easier.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Thor's been knocked by cold war era Vietnamese artillery fire! Hulk was beaten by a python! Spider-man could beat them both at the same time! DuuuuuuuuuuurdurCiting PIS is against the forum rules. Please go read said rules, then show that you have the common courtesy to fallow them or don't bother posting.
Wolverine beats Thor in any and all pure melee exchange. In a scenario laid out like this one, where Wolverine can use his substantial stealth and hunting abilities, he just wins easier.
You're citing PIS right now.
Either Wolverine can take hits from class 100 characters, or he can't. And if he can, all of his fights with streets are PIS. His fights with Cap, Deadpool, Daken, Mr. X, all PIS, because there's no way in hell any of them can do as much damage as a single punch from Hulk or whoever.
Given all the times Wolverines struggled with less, I'm inclined to believe the times he gets up from class 100s are the PIS examples, and not the entire rest of his history..
Originally posted by cdtm
You're citing PIS right now.Either Wolverine can take hits from class 100 characters, or he can't. And if he can, all of his fights with streets are PIS. His fights with Cap, Deadpool, Daken, Mr. X, all PIS, because there's no way in hell any of them can do as much damage as a single punch from Hulk or whoever.
Given all the times Wolverines struggled with less, I'm inclined to believe the times he gets up from class 100s are the PIS examples, and not the entire rest of his history..
I'm citing PIS merely to illustrate a point. Hence the "dur." You on the other hand are using PIS as the foundation of your argument.
Cap's never beaten Wolverine in fight without aid of a plot device, and his best fight was against Wayverine. Deadpool is in the same boat as Cap, he has only beaten Wolverine with the aid of a plot device (prep time or Wolverine not having a healing factor), and his best fight was also against Wayverine. Daken has only beaten Wayverine, and Mr. X is closer to Worf Effect but you can call it PIS and you wouldn't be to far off.
For every single time Wolverine has "struggled with less," there are dozens of examples of him eating class 100 shots with a smile on his face. That is how he is portrayed the VAST majority of the time. Anything that doesn't conform with the majority representation of character is PIS unless there is reason provided in the story (IE a plot device).
Originally posted by cdtm
Wayverine?Daniel Way virtually had Wolverine punk Sabertooth while unconscious. Was he really that bad to Logan?
I think you are confusing Daniel Way and Jeff Loeb. Wolverine and Sabretooth never fought under Way's pen.
Daniel Way is the second worst Wolverine writer in history of Wolverine canon, and he wrote one of the weakest incarnations of the character.
Granted, Daniel Way tends to downplay healing factors... He's doing it to Deadpool too, with him actually being affected by stuff he used to shrug off in the past...
But you can discard the Wayverine stuff, and Logans still taken damage against sub cl 100's more than he's shrugged off cl 100 hits, by a wide margin.
If Wolverine was really that tough, no street or meta should even bother him. He'd be like Lobo, walking through automatic gunfire and bombs, basically ignoring punches from the street and meta tier and even laughing about how weak they are.. But he simply isn't normally written that way.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Citing PIS isn't against forum rules if it applies and isn't just someone whining.
The "No PIS" Rule
PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
There no instance where PIS applies, by the very definition of the term it never applies... 😕
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I think you are confusing Daniel Way and Jeff Loeb. Wolverine and Sabretooth never fought under Way's pen.Daniel Way is the second worst Wolverine writer in history of Wolverine canon, and he wrote one of the weakest incarnations of the character.
Heh, you're right,
That's not even Wolverine: Origins material., it's Wolverine: First Class under Lente. My mistake.
Originally posted by cdtm
Granted, Daniel Way tends to downplay healing factors... He's doing it to Deadpool too, with him actually being affected by stuff he used to shrug off in the past...
Yes Waypool is weaker then Deadpool as well.
Originally posted by cdtm
But you can discard the Wayverine stuff, and Logans still taken damage against sub cl 100's more than he's shrugged off cl 100 hits, by a wide margin.
lol
Buddy that isn't even remotely accurate. For every example of Wolverine being downed by less then class 100s there are dozens of him eating the best shots of Marvel's high tier characters. Wolverine has fought Hulk more than he has fought Captain America, Deadpool, Punisher, and Daredevil combined, and Hulk isn't the only brick he has slugged it out with. Wayverine is inconstant with how Wolverine is typically portrayed, Wayverine is the outlier and of very little consequence in a forum match.
Originally posted by cdtm
If Wolverine was really that tough, no street or meta should even bother him. He'd be like Lobo, walking through automatic gunfire and bombs, basically ignoring punches from the street and meta tier and even laughing about how weak they are.. But he simply isn't normally written that way.
He is written like that all the time... 😕
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The "No PIS" RulePIS = Plot Induced Stupidity
At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.
There no instance where PIS applies, by the very definition of the term it never applies... 😕
yes, which means you can't use instances of PIS as evidence. Not that you can't call something PIS if it clearly is and someone is trying to use it in a debate.