Dovakhin (Skyrim) vs Kain (LOK)

Started by Burning thought3 pages

Originally posted by Utrigita
All his actual feats are gameplay which isn't taken into consideration in a vs match up iirc, so the point is moot. What I mean is that we have no idea on the powerscaling that operates in Elder Scrolls in compare to LoK, thus a comparison between them in terms of abilities, spells and differences is neverending. Incorrect, we saw a Dragon easily lift and throw a giant into the sky, I wish you the best of luck proving that it is the dragons upper strenght level or the best of luck to me proving that the Dragon can throw more.

And when all the feats of character (especially a character such as the Dovahkiin that is entirely playerbased) are based on gameplay, I can't see the reason in trying to make a vs thread, because of the previous mentioned circumstances that involves each that plays Skyrim, is having a different experience. And exactly I only have my gameplay experience which isn't feats which is what makes his entire discussion theory based. We can take a discussion about my character vs Kain or Kratos or the Lich King for all I care, the point is that as long we are dealing only in gameplay then we are getting nowhere, and Skyrim (and the elder scrolls in general) is all about gameplay as long as it concerns the main character.

That is where your assesment is off (and the thread makers too imo) because you can't take the Dovahkiin and use him as a normal character when the Dovahkiin is played and used in thousands of different ways. Had it been Geralt from Witcher 2 or another character were you actually doesn't have that much of a overall influecen (for instance concerning Geralt, it was stated that Geralt ofcause excells in all the mentioned abilities but in order for the gameplay to be fun you can only excell in one) the Dovahkiin's abilities is left entirely up to you.

No he wouldn't, unless you have recall I'll blast you into the voids between the worlds, since it's a nice little spell that ignores resistance and magical absorbation (made to remove enemies when I was in a hurry, all credit for the idea goes to Frostcrag Reborns Author).

Well we could all wish that, the "best of luck" proving that the obelisk thing is Raziels upper strength level, you cant, just like you cant prove the claw strike is Kains best durability, its his best feat though hence why we use those. Dragons however do not have many feats.

I didnt make the thread, the fact he has no feats is not my fault either, he just automatically loses in pure gameplay areas.

If its a spell, Mida magics spellbreaker shield just reflects any spells back, I have a blast spell from the same mod that eliminates a target completly from the game, as in, theres not even a body left to loot.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well we could all wish that, the "best of luck" proving that the obelisk thing is Raziels upper strength level, you cant, just like you cant prove the claw strike is Kains best durability, its his best feat though hence why we use those. Dragons however do not have many feats.

I didnt make the thread, the fact he has no feats is not my fault either, he just automatically loses in pure gameplay areas.

If its a spell, Mida magics spellbreaker shield just reflects any spells back, I have a blast spell from the same mod that eliminates a target completly from the game, as in, theres not even a body left to loot.

And Dovakhiin has none to speak of that isn't gameplay related, but again that isn't the primary concern, the primary concern are that the Dovakhiin and his/her abilities are entirely based upon you. Kain's abilities and skills isn't.

I'm not saying it is, I'm just pointing out that imo you can't make a fair comparison, because of what the Dovakhiin is, just like you can't use the nerevarine or the Champion of Cyradiil, not imo atleast.

It's kinda a spell but not entirely. It's made to ignore magical based protection, so Midas won't help (believe I have tried being on the receiving end of the spell with Midas activated and I still found myself in limbo.) Not the same spell though (mine is partly custom made), and iirc that spell can be absorbed and redirected.

But then again redundant discussion, since we can't even agree on whether or not the Dovakhiin can even be used 😛

Well thats not entirely true, only your actions and choices can shape who you become but whether your character has X armour, B stats or w/e, it does not change what those items and stars are or mean. Since we dont use mechanics at all, all we can use is the canon, thats the Dova is essentially a mortal.

Midas has a ton of powers that consist of creating physical barriers in the game ,from rocks to random objects so even if for some reason it can avoid Midis' reflection power, it cant go through solid buildings or objects I wager. I dont know, it just sort of destroys you, cant remember what its called but you get the Aurum to make it from a guy who looks like Doctor manhattan. Besides, my centurion bike/boat is far too fast for you to strike as I race through Cyrodil! 😄

Originally posted by Burning thought
Well thats not entirely true, only your actions and choices can shape who you become but whether your character has X armour, B stats or w/e, it does not change what those items and stars are or mean. Since we dont use mechanics at all, all we can use is the canon, thats the Dova is essentially a mortal.

Midas has a ton of powers that consist of creating physical barriers in the game ,from rocks to random objects so even if for some reason it can avoid Midis' reflection power, it cant go through solid buildings or objects I wager. I dont know, it just sort of destroys you, cant remember what its called but you get the Aurum to make it from a guy who looks like Doctor manhattan. Besides, my centurion bike/boat is far too fast for you to strike as I race through Cyrodil! 😄

In the beginning he is, but wait until the next installment in the Elder Scrolls series, the last Dragonborn (mortal) became the God Talos, but Nemebro knows more about the whole story then I do.

Still doesn't help you when it doesn't have a travel time, and I can just open the Oblivion Editer and change it so it can, my omnipotence is stronger then yours 😛

Most likely yeah, I only have the dragons.

The Greybeards can shake a mountain with a whisper, every one of them.

The Dovahkiin withstood all four of them shouting at him for an extended period of time.

Just so everyone knows. 131

Originally posted by NemeBro
The Greybeards can shake a mountain with a whisper, every one of them.

The Dovahkiin withstood all four of them shouting at him for an extended period of time.

Just so everyone knows. 131

Well that is quite nice 😄

hey mate, can you give us a bit of info on Talos? I know you know alot more about the lore in Elder Scrolls then I do.

You're going to have to be a bit more specific than that, haven't been following the thread.

What do you want to know?

Edit: Went to uesp to refresh my memory a bit.

Apparently, when the Greybeards finally spoke to Tiber Septim, they shook all of Mundus.

And according to the dude in the Greybeards whose name I forget, the words said to the Dovahkiin are exactly the same as those said to Tiber Septim.

Lol. Neat.

Second Edit: Oh, remember Ult, Tiber Septim was deemed threatening enough by the God-Emperors of Morrowind to force them to allow annexing into the Empire.

Originally posted by NemeBro
You're going to have to be a bit more specific than that, haven't been following the thread.

What do you want to know?

Edit: Went to uesp to refresh my memory a bit.

Apparently, when the Greybeards finally spoke to Tiber Septim, they shook all of Mundus.

And according to the dude in the Greybeards whose name I forget, the words said to the Dovahkiin are exactly the same as those said to Tiber Septim.

Lol. Neat.

Second Edit: Oh, remember Ult, Tiber Septim was deemed threatening enough by the God-Emperors of Morrowind to force them to allow annexing into the Empire.

I always saw it as a more treaty kinda annexing, then it was a forced one. But the fact that Vivec, Sil and Almalexia deemed him a threat, considering that Vivec could stop a falling moon with a finger, is insane, but on further thought wasn't the God's power at that point of time not already fading?

Originally posted by Utrigita
I always saw it as a more treaty kinda annexing, then it was a forced one. But the fact that Vivec, Sil and Almalexia deemed him a threat, considering that Vivec could stop a falling moon with a finger, is insane.
I should note that this was already after Tiber Septim lost the ability to perform a Thu'um.

Yes it was a treaty, but Tiber did strong-arm the Tribunal into giving him Numidium, the Dwemer God-Machine.

Though, admittedly, I am pretty sure this was after Dagoth Ur revealed himself to the Tribunal, and stole the Heart of Lorkhan.

What other kinds of stuff are you looking for regarding Tiber Septim?

Also, didn't he reality warp all of Cyrodill from a jungle to a forest?

Edit: Yep, he did. He transformed the climate of Cyrodill from tropical to temperate after conquering Tamriel. Before his ascension to godhood, I should mention.

Originally posted by NemeBro
I should note that this was already after Tiber Septim lost the ability to perform a Thu'um.

Yes it was a treaty, but Tiber did strong-arm the Tribunal into giving him Numidium, the Dwemer God-Machine.

Though, admittedly, I am pretty sure this was after Dagoth Ur revealed himself to the Tribunal, and stole the Heart of Lorkhan.

What other kinds of stuff are you looking for regarding Tiber Septim?

Also, didn't he reality warp all of Cyrodill from a jungle to a forest?

Edit: Yep, he did. He transformed the climate of Cyrodill from tropical to temperate after conquering Tamriel. Before his ascension to godhood, I should mention.

Hmm, nice I didn't think they could lose the ability.

I always thought it was just Vivec being a pushover and a great admirer of Tiber that helped that trade, but cool.

Nothing really, I was just speculating into what the present Dovakhiin (our character) will have become in the next Elder Scrolls, and given what Tiber Septim becomes, it's possible that the Dovakhiin will become Emporer and then ascend or something like that.

So not depending on his Thu'um to pwn 😄

I have always thought Skyrim to be a rather low tier. I should pay more attention.

Well concerning the Dark brotherhood in Skyrim;

Spoiler:
You murder the current Emperor, who iirc was never even dragonborn unlike most Emperors if not all before him, therefore by rights Dovakhiin should become Emperor anyway being the dragon born.
Originally posted by Q'Anilia
I have always thought Skyrim to be a rather low tier. I should pay more attention.

Tamriel is fairly high, especially when concerning the Daedric princes.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Hmm, nice I didn't think they could lose the ability.

Having your vocal cuts cut out kind of makes performing a Thu'um difficult.

I should note that even normal Nordic soldiers who use Thu'ums in the lore are capable of breaking through castle fortifications with a single Shout.

I always thought it was just Vivec being a pushover and a great admirer of Tiber that helped that trade, but cool.

I think the admiring of Tiber was shameless asskissing.

Nothing really, I was just speculating into what the present Dovakhiin (our character) will have become in the next Elder Scrolls, and given what Tiber Septim becomes, it's possible that the Dovakhiin will become Emporer and then ascend or something like that.

Every protagonist generally is at least on the level of the physical gods of the series by the end (Dudes like Dagoth Ur and whatnot), some, like the Champ of Cyrodill, ascend even higher.

Do note I haven't beaten Skyrim yet, so no spoilers plz.

So not depending on his Thu'um to pwn 😄

Indeed. It is possible that he was a very accomplished mage in his time, mages are capable of incredible reality-warping feats in the Elder Scrolls. Such as a mage creating a law of reality that proves that someone does not exist, thus warping reality to make it so.

I can't really say on how powerful the Dovahkiin is by the end-game at the moment though.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Excellent input from someone who knows neither.

Skyrim has dominated my life for the past two or three weeks.

So much so that I don't even ****ing know how many weeks it's been.

I know the Dovakiin, and he wins.

You know one of two characters, and considering that comment in itself proves that you dont know either.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You know one of two characters, and considering that comment in itself proves that you dont know either.

Don't you ever get tired of saying the same bullshit over and over again?

Of course but you persist in returning to hear it again.

Also what? "bullshit"? lol, you dont know anything about one character, yet claim another wins from sheer ignorance. Maybe I would save myself a lot of time if I just did that in most threads concerning Kain, it seems blind bias is favoured by you.

If I don't know shit about Kain, then you don't know shit about Kain. Because, you know, I spent a ****ing year watching you wank him.

This is funny.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
If I don't know shit about Kain, then you don't know shit about Kain. Because, you know, I spent a ****ing year watching you wank him.

By your logic, you also belive I have a masterful knowledge of all the LoZ series then. Thats nice to know....

Also Kains best feats were brought up by me, but confirmed by others.