Dovakhin (Skyrim) vs Kain (LOK)

Originally posted by NemeBro
Having your vocal cuts cut out kind of makes performing a Thu'um difficult.

I should note that even normal Nordic soldiers who use Thu'ums in the lore are capable of breaking through castle fortifications with a single Shout.

I think the admiring of Tiber was shameless asskissing.

Every protagonist generally is at least on the level of the physical gods of the series by the end (Dudes like Dagoth Ur and whatnot), some, like the Champ of Cyrodill, ascend even higher.

Do note I haven't beaten Skyrim yet, so no spoilers plz.

Indeed. It is possible that he was a very accomplished mage in his time, mages are capable of incredible reality-warping feats in the Elder Scrolls. Such as a mage creating a law of reality that proves that someone does not exist, thus warping reality to make it so.

I can't really say on how powerful the Dovahkiin is by the end-game at the moment though.

Nah, he was just being a pushover 😛

Hmm nice, then we can assume that at the very least in a lore setting the Dovakhiin should be capable of the same feat.

Well Vivec is kinda a pussy "no Nerevarine I will honor your last wish" *Vivec taps shamelessly into the Heart of Lorkham*

I haven't either so I can't spoil it, so don't worry. But you are correct, they generally becomes Gods in their respective games which is also why Bethesda has the need to spirit them away. But I already look forward to what the Dovakhiin will become in lore, I suspect something really powerful.

Yeah I know of those Redguard mages that basically tore a entire continent to pieces because they got a bit upset. The magic in Elder Scrolls isn't very well reflected by the ingame possibilities (which limits you) the mods actually give a far better impression of what the magic in Elder Scrolls are capable of.

I think it's fair to say that he is on level with Nerevarine, both have defeated a God (in some shape or form).

Originally posted by Burning thought
By your logic, you also belive I have a masterful knowledge of all the LoZ series then. Thats nice to know....

Also Kains best feats were brought up by me, but confirmed by others.

You do. But you refuse to accept any of it on the grounds that it's > than Kain.

And yet you also insist on everybody reposting every little piece whenever there's a thread.

No I have just evaluated it and usually explain in the specific thread why something is ridiculous, theres a difference between the verse itself and your interpretation of it most of the time.

They do it to me, why shouldnt I do it to them?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Nah, he was just being a pushover 😛

Nah.

Hmm nice, then we can assume that at the very least in a lore setting the Dovakhiin should be capable of the same feat.

It would be ridiculous to assume he couldn't do much more IMO. Honestly I think he should be on the level of the Greybeards, at least, in terms of the Thu'um.

Actually, almost definitely more.

Since

Spoiler:
Killing Paarthurnax, their leader and the mightiest of them, is possible and is a quest in fact.

Well Vivec is kinda a pussy "no Nerevarine I will honor your last wish" *Vivec taps shamelessly into the Heart of Lorkham*

Indeed. He was also a blatant liar who lies.

I haven't either so I can't spoil it, so don't worry. But you are correct, they generally becomes Gods in their respective games which is also why Bethesda has the need to spirit them away. But I already look forward to what the Dovakhiin will become in lore, I suspect something really powerful.

Same here. Alduin himself has some pretty epic feats in the lore that we can use for some powerscaling, like being able to eat your timeline away (He once made the entire population of Skyrim six years old this way).

Yeah I know of those Redguard mages that basically tore a entire continent to pieces because they got a bit upset. The magic in Elder Scrolls isn't very well reflected by the ingame possibilities (which limits you) the mods actually give a far better impression of what the magic in Elder Scrolls are capable of.

Oh the epic Redguard swordmages with mindblades that could cut atoms in half? Indeed, shit is hax. Yeah, Dagoth Ur for example has the same power as the Tribunal but more-so, but you don't see him use that power against you in the game. Hell, even Vivec, as a shadow of himself, had power great enough to keep the moon from essentially destroying Morrowind, while also maintaining the Ghostfence.

I think it's fair to say that he is on level with Nerevarine, both have defeated a God (in some shape or form).

I'd say he's probably on about that level as well. He hasn't shown sign of becoming as powerful as the Champ of Cyrodill, who became a Daedric Prince, but seems more on par with the physical gods of the setting, as I said.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nah.

It would be ridiculous to assume he couldn't do much more IMO. Honestly I think he should be on the level of the Greybeards, at least, in terms of the Thu'um.

Actually, almost definitely more.

Since

Spoiler:
Killing Paarthurnax, their leader and the mightiest of them, is possible and is a quest in fact.

Indeed. He was also a blatant liar who lies.

Same here. Alduin himself has some pretty epic feats in the lore that we can use for some powerscaling, like being able to eat your timeline away (He once made the entire population of Skyrim six years old this way).

Oh the epic Redguard swordmages with mindblades that could cut atoms in half? Indeed, shit is hax. Yeah, Dagoth Ur for example has the same power as the Tribunal but more-so, but you don't see him use that power against you in the game. Hell, even Vivec, as a shadow of himself, had power great enough to keep the moon from essentially destroying Morrowind, while also maintaining the Ghostfence.

I'd say he's probably on about that level as well. He hasn't shown sign of becoming as powerful as the Champ of Cyrodill, who became a Daedric Prince, but seems more on par with the physical gods of the setting, as I said.

Yeah, I said it Tiber Septim was a pussy 131

Yes he should be above their level, also given the speed of which he masters the Thu'um in comparison to them. And the fact that their shout apparently didn't harm him is well.. pretty telling about their powerlevel.

Yea what a prick.

That is pretty insane, but powerscaling can also be a, imo, dangerous ground to enter, because the Dragonborn isn't Alduin and their powerset may not be shared, unless ofcause that the Dovakhiin absorbs Alduin's soul in the end. (effectivly making the Dovakhiin a God)

Nah I was thinking of the Yokuda continent, that was said to been destroy by mages in one of the Red Guards internal conflicts, the mages was called masters of stone. However your example also prove my point, that the magic we utilize ingame is just a fraction of what the magic in Elder Scrolls lore allow you to do. I was under the impression that it was because of you being the Nerevarine that Dagoth Ur was incapable of harming you with his godly powers.

Yeah a Daedric prince is kinda a insane powerup in terms of lore, it was Sheogorath that called the moon down upon Vivec city the first time around wasn't it?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Yeah, I said it Tiber Septim was a pussy 131

I'm pretty sure he wasn't. 😛

Yes he should be above their level, also given the speed of which he masters the Thu'um in comparison to them. And the fact that their shout apparently didn't harm him is well.. pretty telling about their powerlevel.

Well the Greybeards are still the most powerful practitioners of the Thu'um besides your character and some of the more powerful dragons, I'd say. But yeah, they directly state that he has mastered in a few days what took even the most talented non-Dragonborn years to achieve.

Yea what a prick.

A very powerful prick though. Vivec was the only thing keeping a moon from essentially destroying most of Morrowind, while also maintaining the Ghostfence. Tiber Septim intimidated Vivec.

That is pretty insane, but powerscaling can also be a, imo, dangerous ground to enter, because the Dragonborn isn't Alduin and their powerset may not be shared, unless ofcause that the Dovakhiin absorbs Alduin's soul in the end. (effectivly making the Dovakhiin a God)

I'm going to make the assumption that he can do that though, lol. Oh, and of course there is the fact that Alduin supposedly devoured the first world, and aims to do so again, another feat, assuming this is true.

Nah I was thinking of the Yokuda continent, that was said to been destroy by mages in one of the Red Guards internal conflicts, the mages was called masters of stone. However your example also prove my point, that the magic we utilize ingame is just a fraction of what the magic in Elder Scrolls lore allow you to do.

Right, Yokuda, I'm pretty sure that was destroyed by the Redguard Ansei/Swordsingers, with their Mindblades of powah. I'm not sure what these Masters of the Stone are, honestly.

And yeah, though there's probably a good reason for that lol.

Another use of magic is a sufficiently powerful mage writing and proving a universal theory, essentially rewriting a law of reality, to prove that someone does not exist, therefore erasing them from existence. Elder Scrolls magic can get pretty broken.

I was under the impression that it was because of you being the Nerevarine that Dagoth Ur was incapable of harming you with his godly powers.

Possible, though Nerevar was quite the badass in real life.

Though I'd say the reason for your power is probably due to the blessing of Azura myself. It's implied that you aren't actually the incarnation of Nerevar, and are but a pawn in Azura's petty scheme. Being backed by a Daedric Prince will do it. Even an avatar of Mehrunes Dagon required two Tribunal working in tandem and combining their powers to defeat, and this was back when they were strong.

Yeah a Daedric prince is kinda a insane powerup in terms of lore, it was Sheogorath that called the moon down upon Vivec city the first time around wasn't it?

Yeah, it was, and that was a feat in Mundus, where the bulk of a Daedric Prince's power is incapable of reaching.

Nocturnal has another great feat with the cursing of the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal, essentially anytime someone puts that thing on time and space are rewritten in all of Mundus, strickening that person from history.