The 25th Anniversary Zelda Villain Gauntlet

Originally posted by Burning thought
Damn, wasnt as impressive as I hoped, I was imagining a vast field of energy, ala the Atlantis disney movie holding back a vast tide. Instead she just used a bit of magic and a door to dam the water by the sounds of it.

Yeah, it was such a simple spell they didn't even show her "drive back" the water.

I did remember, he is just falling a few meters, theres no "slamming" so stop trying to hype anything, I could probably take falling that distance better.

Well, I'm just wondering why you think he was incapacitated when he gets up afterward. That ignores that Link can't hurt him with the sword initially, and is forced to drive him back because that's all he can do. It ignores Link driving the Master Sword into the same spot three times before the armor cracks, and then the fight continues after that. In addition, Ghirahim must weigh quite a lot in that form.

Took longer than anyone here would take avoiding it though although, the fact it appeared directly in the middle makes me wonder if its just area specific and cant be made anywhere.

It appeared in under a second, though.

lieing there like a cripple is pretty incapacitated. All here could probably throw him higher than he fell there, no doubt killing him, smashed like a china doll.

What's with this "only one feat" thing? Ghirahim tanks all manner of sword strikes, catching swords with his armor, and getting struck by lightning, but for some reason all you can see is him not getting up instantly after a fall. Seems biased to me.

So, Samus brings some impressive firepower to the table. Her power beam can hit incorporeal targets in Metroid Prime, and she may be able to track Ganon with her visors, even. I'd say she's the key to her team.

Do you think that between her, Dante, and Sora, they can take him down? My money says, if Ganon can take Samus down, or cripple her somehow, the others will fall shortly thereafter.

Homefield advantage from being assaulted in his own dungeon make a difference? My money there is on his physical capability, to be honest. Samus suit can easily stand up to most of the weaponry from Metroid, but how do you feel she'd handle a direct strike from Ganon with Ghirahim? I think he's strong enough to put her down if that's allowed to happen.

Alternatively, he could pick off her team-mates first, assuming she'd unable to warn them in time. A lightning bolt to the back for Dante/Sora?

Unless you'd dispute he clears fight one? We can debate that, too.

/Throws bait.

How did Link beat him if 3 of the most powerful VG characters are a toss up against him.

In spoilerz.

Spoiler:

1.The Master sword is now the most powerful (active) character remaining in the canon. It's now canonically powered by all three of the goddesses of creation, and forged by a fourth Goddess, Hylia. That's SS. It's also stated as being a failsafe for the entirety of the triforce in aLttP.
2. Link usually carries a piece of the triforce in addition to that, and we're informed in Skyward Sword that Link "fights like no man or demon I've ever known.", which is impressive, considering Demise crippled a goddess so thoroughly she elected to take human form and pursue the triforce as a means to defeat him. He lost, but would have won had they fought again. He considered her a worthy foe.

So, to summarise, Link with the sword is more powerful than Hylia. /Shrug. He impales Demise with it, and as you know, fights Ganon many times later in the series.

To clarify, the sword is at least on par in scale of power with an artifact of at least planetary reality warping power.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, Samus brings some impressive firepower to the table. Her power beam can hit incorporeal targets in Metroid Prime, and she may be able to track Ganon with her visors, even. I'd say she's the key to her team.

Best bet there would be the Dark Visor, even if you're in another dimension Samus can see you. X-Ray visor can track incorporeal targets, too. If Ganondemise goes intangible all she'll have is the power beam, though, which I doubt can take him down alone. And Super Missiles, they work on ghosts, too.

Do you think that between her, Dante, and Sora, they can take him down? My money says, if Ganon can take Samus down, or cripple her somehow, the others will fall shortly thereafter.

If they work together, but I don't know much about Dante or Sora. IIRC, Dante has a sword that can cut through dimensions and Sora's all about Light powers. I think Sora has a reflect ability, too, so there's a game of Dead Man's Volley in the making. I suppose if Sora can distract him with that and Danted focuses on melee while Samus hits him from far away, they can win. Without Samus, I really can't say, but the weight of numbers is one of the biggest advantages here.

Homefield advantage from being assaulted in his own dungeon make a difference? My money there is on his physical capability, to be honest. Samus suit can easily stand up to most of the weaponry from Metroid, but how do you feel she'd handle a direct strike from Ganon with Ghirahim? I think he's strong enough to put her down if that's allowed to happen.

Maybe if Dante and Sora can electrify their weapons it could turn bad, but otherwise I'm not sure unless the lightning actually attacks them. Samus can take some heavy hits, I don't think a normal hit could inst-down her, but an electrified one has a much better chance.

Alternatively, he could pick off her team-mates first, assuming she'd unable to warn them in time. A lightning bolt to the back for Dante/Sora?

/shrug.

Unless you'd dispute he clears fight one? We can debate that, too.

Well, again unless he can one shot them the weight of numbers is the biggest problem. Otherwise, eh, I think he'd pass it.

Best bet there would be the Dark Visor, even if you're in another dimension Samus can see you. X-Ray visor can track incorporeal targets, too. If Ganondemise goes intangible all she'll have is the power beam, though, which I doubt can take him down alone. And Super Missiles, they work on ghosts, too.

I think that mostly what she's doing when he takes that form is acting as a target spotter. Dante and Sora will know to stay the **** away from wherever the power beam is being shot. Which is good. Samus is the leader of the team because she's the most utilitarian and I think without her their effort will fall apart.

If they work together, but I don't know much about Dante or Sora. IIRC, Dante has a sword that can cut through dimensions and Sora's all about Light powers. I think Sora has a reflect ability, too, so there's a game of Dead Man's Volley in the making. I suppose if Sora can distract him with that and Danted focuses on melee while Samus hits him from far away, they can win. Without Samus, I really can't say, but the weight of numbers is one of the biggest advantages here.

For example, if Samus' spotting with the power beam becomes an annoyance, he can pen her in for as long as it takes the others to stun him or her to break out. For the time being, her shots can't point him out to the others. Dante's likely to stay alive a little while based on regen, but his stamina does wear down the more his body is forced to heal. An arm torn off here and there will be the end of him eventually, and with his TK, Ganondorf can certainly force that, too.

Sora, for some reason, I keep thinking has an answer to TK, which might keep Dante in the game. But I can't be certain. /Shrug.

Maybe if Dante and Sora can electrify their weapons it could turn bad, but otherwise I'm not sure unless the lightning actually attacks them. Samus can take some heavy hits, I don't think a normal hit could inst-down her, but an electrified one has a much better chance.

Hm, it's been a while for me, how physically tough is Samus' suit? I think a direct hit could at the least be very damaging. Might attack her with electricity, too. I'm fairly certain her soul at least is protected. Not sure about Dante or Sora.

Well, again unless he can one shot them the weight of numbers is the biggest problem. Otherwise, eh, I think he'd pass it.

I've not read anything that puts This Gouki-ish Ganon on Gouki's level, let alone Shin or Oni. With a plethora of soul obliterating attacks, this new fellow seems to be dead meat.

Ganon has his own soul attacks, and can fly, use telekinesis, and BFR. He's also, by power-scaling, miles ahead of the city busters that occupy Zelda canon.

He's capable of invisibility, intangibility, and can lightning time.

Characters that can flood entire regions on a whim, or blow up volcanoes are fodder to Demise even without a single piece of the triforce. Ganondorf gets his piece.

Ganondorf with his power sealed has busted islands, and turned off the sun, because **** day time. By imbuing a mook with a fraction of his power, that mook could pull an entire country into another dimension.

Ect, ect.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I think that mostly what she's doing when he takes that form is acting as a target spotter. Dante and Sora will know to stay the **** away from wherever the power beam is being shot. Which is good. Samus is the leader of the team because she's the most utilitarian and I think without her their effort will fall apart.

That might work. It's possible that the Light Beam or Sunburst could counter the Darkness Techique, too, if he uses it.

True, but Ganon has some glorious crowd control with his barriers and portals and teleportation and the like. I'm comfortable pitting him against a trio because of his ability to force a fight to his advantage with those powers.

For example, if Samus' spotting with the power beam becomes an annoyance, he can pen her in for as long as it takes the others to stun him or her to break out. For the time being, her shots can't point him out to the others. Dante's likely to stay alive a little while based on regen, but his stamina does wear down the more his body is forced to heal. An arm torn off here and there will be the end of him eventually, and with his TK, Ganondorf can certainly force that, too.

Sora, for some reason, I keep thinking has an answer to TK, which might keep Dante in the game. But I can't be certain. /Shrug.

Oh, yeah, anyone who can't teleport might be sidelined by a barrier, though it'd have to be a big one to prevent Samus jumping over. I think Sora can teleport, not sure, and I don't think Dante can. Though against TK I guess Sora can fly?

[quote]I was thinking a more classic dungeon with puzzles. Ganon could still electrify his attacks, I assume, since you know, he's got lightning powers anyway. Still, it was a very, very cool visual in SS.

Ah, well, puzzles won't stop Samus. Or the speed booster, and cover can go to her advantage with the wave beam/X-ray visor, though walls won't stop Ganon, either. That'd hinder Dante and Sora terribly, though.

Hm, it's been a while for me, how physically tough is Samus' suit? I think a direct hit could at the least be very damaging. Might attack her with electricity, too. I'm fairly certain her soul at least is protected. Not sure about Dante or Sora.

Ghor is a 100 tonner, and while I can't prove he landed a hit, it's worth noting. She's got a ton of immunities (fire, ice, acid, gravity, water pressure, dark energy) and in the manga shrugged off a small mountain buster from Ridley, as well as a Kraid stomp. She actually doesn't have a lot of durability feats in game because almost all cutscenes involve her dodging. Powerscaling from the SA-X shows Super Missiles bounce off of the Varia suit.

Crowd control is a beautiful thing. I think we're in agreement there, then.

War has a legit portal gun, lol. How will Kharne's magic resistance work out?

If light is dis guys weakness, Sora's little light beam has very casually overcomed the power of a star arranging god before.

Would that hurt him? 😮

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
If light is dis guys weakness, Sora's little light beam has very casually overcomed the power of a star arranging god before.

Would that hurt him? 😮

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Wat.

Zeus was all like, "There is this Colosseum and I'm gonna lock it up so Hades can't get into it."

Hades then failed to get into it. Sora casually did.

Zeus is a star arranging god? Disney stars sometimes rearrange themselves. I think that might even have happened in the Hercules movie, and the titans took down Zeus, they're uh... Not really yeah.

I DUNNO, AM SKEPTICAL IS ALL I MEAN.

Aside from which point, Ancient Greek myth didn't account for space. 😛

All in all, I am skeptical. Video, quotes, ect? For a moment there I think you crapped in my pants for me. Like, wat?

Cause I saw 'star arranging god' and was pretty mad, bro.

So Zeus made this lock. And Sora has this power that is based entirely around this key.

I think I can see where this is going.

Originally posted by The Scenario
So Zeus made this lock. And Sora has this power that is based entirely around this key.

I think I can see where this is going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9one6BF0HEA

9:25 they start talking about the Arena. Zeus himself locked it up tight. Apparently.

15:36 Sora does his thing and unlocks it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1BEB-xukNg

13:35 ish you see the Star feat. Since Zues was the one who did this in the movies, he is the likeliest God to be doing it here. 😛

And yes, while we're talking about dungeons, locks won't be keeping Sora out of anything. So I dun think he has to worry too much there.

Edit: I'll also note this wouldn't be the first time that the keyblade has shown such power. Planet busting, planet protecting, etc. And the stars in the KH universe are actual worlds so it's not as impressive as actual stars.

Still neat though imo.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Ganon has his own soul attacks, and can fly, use telekinesis, and BFR. He's also, by power-scaling, miles ahead of the city busters that occupy Zelda canon.

He's capable of invisibility, intangibility, and can lightning time.

Characters that can flood entire regions on a whim, or blow up volcanoes are fodder to Demise even without a single piece of the triforce. Ganondorf gets his piece.

Ganondorf with his power sealed has busted islands, and turned off the sun, because **** day time. By imbuing a mook with a fraction of his power, that mook could pull an entire country into another dimension.

Ect, ect.

Gouki's soul attacks are "one shots". Really, there's no way around them. It matters not how powerful you are, even characters like Pyron would fall victim, die, and be sent to Hell, if they were to be hit. The effectiveness of his attacks are then amplified by your past sins, the more evil you are, the more gruesome your death. Gouki in his Oni form can also fly and has TK. And by using "power-scaling" for Gouki, he could probably destroy the planet in a DBZ-like fashion, with a few punches.

Gouki can also sense the powers his opponents; invisibility is all but useless in a fight against him. Gouki can also become intangible through the Asura Senku and he can "lightning time" as well.

Gouki whilst holding back, at this point all of his power, was able blow mountainous and a volcanic islands to pieces with a single punch, shoot a blast into space in just seconds, the recoil of which which destroyed much of a forest. He also split Uluru, straight down the middle, with a single punch...and the list could go on for ages with much more. All of which, while holding back a nonsensical amount of his own power.

At just Shin, he jumped into orbit and annihilated a Apocalyptic meteorite. He did this in his second form. Even after all of this, his true limits are still virtually unknown. He lacks a single showing where he's going all out. It should be noted that the world destroying
meteorite event is not canon, but for many factors, including it's Shin Gouki's only showing, it's all we can possibly hope to go off of to get a grasp of his true powers.

Now when you factor in all of this magic nonsense, trinkets, dew-dads, and pretty much crutches in the eyes of Gouki, then I don't know. But when Gouki is in a thread, I automatically assume his opponent will be facing him man to man, hoping to win on his own power. Since you know, Gouki doesn't use weapons or magic.

That might work. It's possible that the Light Beam or Sunburst could counter the Darkness Techique, too, if he uses it.

Oh, yeah, anyone who can't teleport might be sidelined by a barrier, though it'd have to be a big one to prevent Samus jumping over. I think Sora can teleport, not sure, and I don't think Dante can. Though against TK I guess Sora can fly?

Well, in TP Ganon can encase his entire castle, so I'm sure he can make a big enough barrier. Sora may be able to teleport, will have to check with Aura, or Moo. Dante though, I think lacks a teleport, and could also find himself sidelined if he's not careful. Getting penned in could really limit his movement, which I think could spell the end of him.

Flight is good, not sure how powerful his flight propulsion is, or how it'd stand up to the TK, but I think it'd at least hinder him. I think Sora may have to be dealt with first, actually, now that I think of it. He might be the hardest to limit with crowd control.

As for actually dealing with the mobile little blighter? I think with barriers keeping them separated, Ganon can handle him alone. Tag teaming him with Ghirahim for a moment would certainly be fun times.

Samus could still give helpful direction from the sidelines, and Dante may have an escape method, but I'm not sure. I do think, though, that on his own, Sora goes down hard. Ganon and Ghirahim are teleporters, though, and it's possible the pair could attempt the drop on Samus. Samus and Sora v.s. Ganon and Ghirahim are better odds for the heroes, but if Ganon comes out on top it's practically a win right there.

Ah, well, puzzles won't stop Samus. Or the speed booster, and cover can go to her advantage with the wave beam/X-ray visor, though walls won't stop Ganon, either. That'd hinder Dante and Sora terribly, though.

Samus for puzzles, Sora for locks, and Dante for one liners. Really, really cheesy one-liners. Also swording enemies.

With those kind of skills all in one place it seems doubtless they make it to the end very quickly, but the walls and the like will certainly put limitations on the fight which I think Ganon will work to his advantage.

A thought occurs, think Samus can shoot through a magical barrier? If so, that would force Ganon to hit her first. That could be an advantage because having some control over where the fight occurs and awareness of target priority probably allows the trio to stick close to her. Dante I think can be seperated easily enough, but Sora may have a teleport. If not, that makes things much easier.

Ghor is a 100 tonner, and while I can't prove he landed a hit, it's worth noting. She's got a ton of immunities (fire, ice, acid, gravity, water pressure, dark energy) and in the manga shrugged off a small mountain buster from Ridley, as well as a Kraid stomp. She actually doesn't have a lot of durability feats in game because almost all cutscenes involve her dodging. Powerscaling from the SA-X shows Super Missiles bounce off of the Varia suit.

Samus is pretty tough, yeah. Those aren't things beyond Ganon's power, (Partial mountain buster is more apt, big outcropping, or something I guess) but certainly impressive.

Depleting her suit's energy will be a priority, then. Lightning bolts and swordings ahoy. Also, unless they manage to stun him, I think he can defend himself pretty well from her light beam and stuff, based solely on him doing that with the light arrows in multiple games.

War has a legit portal gun, lol. How will Kharne's magic resistance work out?

Sora can teleport ho.

Edit: Or at the very least, move at speeds that make him appearing to be teleporting. Since the keyblade does allow it's wielder to teleport(sometimes automatically), I do call it teleporting.

At just Shin, he jumped into orbit and annihilated a Apocalyptic meteorite.

I'm aware of Gouki's power. Sinking an island on one occasion, and wrecking a mountain range during a fight on another. His recent power up created a crater and knocked over some trees. He certainly deserves his place in the power, trio.

But I'm comfortable putting Ganon against him for a few reasons, one of which is his incredible crowd control and general ability to really control a fight. He can erect barriers, shift dimensions, and use telekinesis to force the battle in certain ways. Gouki while strong, is still only as heavy as a very large man, and can be kept at bay long enough for Ganon to hopefully kill Kharn and War.

One way he might do this, is to call down a twilight field, leaving only Kharn unaffected, and killing him first. Gorechild is dangerous, but I'm confident Ganon is both faster and more powerful than Kharn.

When did Gouki lightning time?