Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I do know that this feat in particular is non-canon. 😛I'm aware of Gouki's power. Sinking an island on one occasion, and wrecking a mountain range during a fight on another. His recent power up created a crater and knocked over some trees. He certainly deserves his place in the power, trio.
But I'm comfortable putting Ganon against him for a few reasons, one of which is his incredible crowd control and general ability to really control a fight. He can erect barriers, shift dimensions, and use telekinesis to force the battle in certain ways. Gouki while strong, is still only as heavy as a very large man, and can be kept at bay long enough for Ganon to hopefully kill Kharn and War.
One way he might do this, is to call down a twilight field, leaving only Kharn unaffected, and killing him first. Gorechild is dangerous, but I'm confident Ganon is both faster and more powerful than Kharn.
When did Gouki lightning time?
True, but given what he can do, virtually hogtied, it isn't a stretch at all. If we can't use that, then every thread Gouki enters, he will be fighting with his hands and feet tied.
He is powerful, but he's fighting a character who uses magic and magical trinkets. He just seems completely out of place in this thread. Gouki's the only person here who fights with nothing but their hands and feet.
Gouki also has TK and pretty much, instant kill moves. And what is a Twilight Field, and how will it stop Ganon from being killed instantly with a Meido Go-Hado?
Weaker characters in the cast can fire off electricity at will, summon lightening at will, and create Sonic Booms. In a fighting game, ALL characters have to be able to, at least, dodge each other's attacks.
I don't think Samus forms plans until after the fight actually starts. She's not exactly known for prep skills, but she can improvise quite well.
He is powerful, but he's fighting a character who uses magic and magical trinkets. He just seems completely out of place in this thread. Gouki's the only person here who fights with nothing but their hands and feet.His supernatural attacks count. 😛 Kharn is more direct than even Gouki is. Gorechild. Ohlawdy...
Which brings up a point concerning fight one. If Ganon is out of reach, Kharn's blood thirst may have him turn on his allies, and Gorechild, his axe, does not **** around.
Gouki also has TK and pretty much, instant kill moves. And what is a Twilight Field, and how will it stop Ganon from being killed instantly with a Meido Go-Hado?
The twilight field is an area he overlaps with another dimension known as the twilight realm, reducing everyone within it to souls. Gouki wouldn't be able to interact with him under those circumstances, he'd be completely unaware of Ganon who is unaffected by the field, but capable of interacting with him in turn. Very broken power. Kharn is probably protected from it.
Link was protected from this effect in Twilight Princess by a piece of the Triforce.
Weaker characters in the cast can fire off electricity at will, summon lightening at will, and create Sonic Booms. In a fighting game, ALL characters have to be able to, at least, dodge each other's attacks.
I disagree for a few reasons. One being that the logic you use allows others the durability necessary to take a direct hit from Gouki by blocking, which many do not have. Another is that such attacks can be tanked if you're durable enough, as Gouki seems to be when he focuses, or avoided by dodging the aim of the attack.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelDestructive feats of said light? o.o
So yeah.Dis guys weakness is light. Sora can shoot fairly powerful beams of light that tear pathways in space and jazz like that. Will this hurt the bad guys? 😮
This guy is Ganon, so it's more his weakness is 'things that smite evil' but light can be useful for it's own reasons. (Darkness technique, ect.)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
His supernatural attacks count. 😛 Kharn is more direct than even Gouki is. Gorechild. Ohlawdy...
But his attacks aren't "supernatural", they're vastly superhuman. All of his power springs from martial arts training and emanates from his soul. You can't get more direct than that.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The twilight field is an area he overlaps with another dimension known as the twilight realm, reducing everyone within it to souls. Gouki wouldn't be able to interact with him under those circumstances, he'd be completely unaware of Ganon who is unaffected by the field, but capable of interacting with him in turn. Very broken power. Kharn is probably protected from it.
Gouki can still do all of his chi moves as just a soul...since they originate from his soul. Oni's just a hollow shell filled with soul energy, anyway. In fact, I'm subject to say that as just a soul, Gouki would be much worse a foe with no body.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I disagree for a few reasons. One being that the logic you use allows others the durability necessary to take a direct hit from Gouki by blocking, which many do not have. Another is that such attacks can be tanked if you're durable enough, as Gouki seems to be when he focuses, or avoided by dodging the aim of the attack.
You may disagree, but that's just basic logic when it comes to these types of games. Who's blocked Gouki's attack, that wasn't around Gouki's level in the first place? Gouki fought, in canon, very few characters in the series. The normal (emphasis on "normal"😉 cast has to be able to fight one another. Which means most characters have to be able to dodge Blanka's lightening and Guile's Sonic Booms. Or else they'd be the strongest characters in the series, which they are not, by miles. Gouki is not part of the "normal" cast, just to get that out there.
But his attacks aren't "supernatural", they're vastly superhuman. All of his power comes from martial arts training and emanates from his soul. You can't get more direct than that.A soul is by it's nature supernatural. 😛
I'd like to see him fighting without his body, can you show me this actually occuring, where his soul is seperated from his body, and it fights?
I'm sorry, but that's just basic logic when it comes to these types of games.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Tadah.
Who's blocked Gouki's attack, that wasn't around Gouki's level in the first place? Gouki fought, in canon, very few characters in the series.Exactly my point, just because a character in a fighting game can do X doesn't mean it's cast can do Y to deal with it, even though in gameplay they can fight each other with either winning.
The normal (emphasis on "normal"😉 cast has to be able to fight one another. Which means most characters have to be able to dodge Blanka's lightening and Guile's Sonic Booms. Or else they'd be the strongest characters in the series, which they are not, by miles.Which is where there are other possibilities.
Characters may
1. Aim dodge, they see where an attack is directed and move before it's fired
2. Tank the damage through durability
3. Have defensive abilities that can be erected before the attack is set off.
ect, ect. Unless you have an actual incident of someone lightning timing, they're not a lightning timer.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Yeah, it was such a simple spell they didn't even show her "drive back" the water.Well, I'm just wondering why you think he was incapacitated when he gets up afterward. That ignores that Link can't hurt him with the sword initially, and is forced to drive him back because that's all he can do. It ignores Link driving the Master Sword into the same spot three times before the armor cracks, and then the fight continues after that. In addition, Ghirahim must weigh quite a lot in that form.
It appeared in under a second, though.
What's with this "only one feat" thing? Ghirahim tanks all manner of sword strikes, catching swords with his armor, and getting struck by lightning, but for some reason all you can see is him not getting up instantly after a fall. Seems biased to me.
Maybe incapacitated is the wrong word, but I dont have one off the top of my head for lieing on your back for a good few seconds helpless to a boys follow up strike.
Kinda like most of Kains teleports yet according to you thats slow, considering everyone can continually move faster than that, he wouldnt be able to, add to the fact this looks purely like cancellation of a summon, e.g. not sometihing you can do to something or someone thats not your own like Link and the fact it appeared, apprently specific to location in the middle of the floor makes me wonder if he can even use it. We also dont see Ganon do this spell, so its ambigious of cast time and such.
Its probably his final form, and he shows that he cant take falls. Not canonically I would wager, only in gameplay and as i said to scream, could be that based on the evidence his inner body is soft and so cant take falling traumer.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteSpoiler:
1.The Master sword is now the most powerful (active) character remaining in the canon. It's now canonically powered by all three of the goddesses of creation, and forged by a fourth Goddess, Hylia. That's SS. It's also stated as being a failsafe for the entirety of the triforce in aLttP.
2. Link usually carries a piece of the triforce in addition to that, and we're informed in Skyward Sword that Link "fights like no man or demon I've ever known.", which is impressive, considering Demise crippled a goddess so thoroughly she elected to take human form and pursue the triforce as a means to defeat him. He lost, but would have won had they fought again. He considered her a worthy foe.So, to summarise, Link with the sword is more powerful than Hylia. /Shrug. He impales Demise with it, and as you know, fights Ganon many times later in the series.
To clarify, the sword is at least on par in scale of power with an artifact of at least planetary reality warping power.
Most of this is hype and title spam. In truth, its still just a sword with limited feats of power and a lot of this simply constitues to how long the verse is in power scale if a boys sword is beyond the Goddesses in power and said boy can get a hit on someone who can beat said goddesses, I know most here would have to try hard to even allow Link such a hit but demises fighting style is not much good.
Spoiler:Watch your mouth f*cktard. Dx
Link doesn't just get a sword that has the power of the old god's, he has to strengthen his spirit, and his sword in the game before he can wield it. He has to gain courage, power, and wisdom throughout the game beforehand. I explains it on one of the cut scenes.
I'd also like to mention that after he gets the Master Sword, Impa tells him that the power of the old gods are flowing through his blade, and through his veins. I don't remember the exact quote, but it said it.
He also has to go through another trial to test if he has an unbreakable spirit so he'd be able to wield the full power of the Triforce. Something that was stated in game that no human, or "boy" should be able to control.
edit: That is all I'm contributing to this thread. I don't care, I'm playing hero mode at the moment. Goodbye
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
A soul is by it's nature supernatural. 😛I'd like to see him fighting without his body, can you show me this actually occuring, where his soul is seperated from his body, and it fights?
He's not bodiless but his physical form is revealed to be a useless shell. He doesn't need it to fight, nor do most SF bosses.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No, it isn't.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GameplayAndStorySegregation Tadah.
lol I think you misunderstand what I'm posting. In Fighting Games, the normal characters are not given moves that are unavoidable and unbeatable by the rest of the cast. They have to be able to fight each other, evenly. In both story and game-play. Unless of course, you are specifically stated to be above the normal cast, by in which, your attacks would be harder for the average character to deal with. Blanka and Guile are average characters in their series. Thus their peers are able to defend against their normal attacks.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Exactly my point, just because a character in a fighting game can do X doesn't mean it's cast can do Y to deal with it, even though in gameplay they can fight each other with either winning.
Which is my point about "normal characters" in the cast. Gouki is not a normal character, he has very few peers in his own game, going by story. Now if he (a much stronger SF) was the only character in the game with lightening attacks than your logic would apply. Blanka and Guile, weak cast members in comparison, have lightening and Sonic Boom attacks and do not win all of their fights.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Which is where there are other possibilities.Characters may
1. Aim dodge, they see where an attack is directed and move before it's fired
2. Tank the damage through durability
3. Have defensive abilities that can be erected before the attack is set off.
1. Same could be said for Ganon. He didn't dodge lightening, he seen it coming and moved. These are fist fighters who dodge bullets and face teleport spammers on a regular basis. These lightening moves are triggered suddenly and instantly, there are no signs to predict them. You have to react when you see it. 😂
2. Well, if the weaker cast members (characters in which Gouki could kill thousands of at once) are easily tanking lightening and Sonic Booms that slice through jets, then I'd be worried for Ganon when he has to fight Gouki, who can tank forces from foes that would decimate cities with a 1/4 of their power, on a regular basis. And then considers the strike child's play. lol
3. Only a few have that.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
ect, ect. Unless you have an actual incident of someone lightning timing, they're not a lightning timer.
Sure, you're free to continue believing that and stop when you choose. Until then, Gouki will part Ganon's body from his soul with any of his multiple Supers and Ultras that allow him to do so.
It said that the power of the old god's ran through his sword, and through his veins. Not that his spirit was attuned to his sword. Their power is in him, not just the Master sword, is what I was trying to get at.
All I meant was saying Link is just a boy is like saying Kain is just a zombie/bat hybrid. Both of which you can kill in Zelda w/o the Master Sword. See? I can troll too. 😛
edit: and as far as the debate goes. I don't care.... have fun with that. If Gouki parted his soul from his body, wouldn't they be fight the Imprisoned One then? Just saying...
He's not bodiless but his physical form is revealed to be a useless shell. He doesn't need it to fight, nor do most SF bosses.Interesting.
lol I think you misunderstand what I'm posting.[quote] I promise you that I don't.By avoiding them before they're fired off, or blocking them, unless you can show me someone reacting to such an attack /after/ it's been used.
[quote]Blanka and Guile are average characters in their series. Thus their peers are able to defend against their normal attacks.
1. Same could be said for Ganon. He didn't dodge lightening, he seen it coming and moved.
See, you could say that, except that Ganon didn't avoid it, he swatted it out of the air. That is a legitimate lightning timing feat. In order to track something through the air, and strike it as it passes you, sending it back to it's source, you need to have good reaction time. In this case, a lightning bolt.
IE, Ganondorf actually has a feat, rather than speculation.
2. Well, if the weaker cast members (characters in which Gouki could kill thousands of at once) are easily tanking lightening and Sonic Booms that slice through jets, then I'd be worried for Ganon when he has to fight Gouki,
Sure, you're free to continue believing that and stop when you choose. Until then, Gouki will part Ganon's body from his soul with any of his multiple Supers and Ultras that allow him to do so.
No evidence = no ability, I'm afraid. Gouki is not a lightning timer.
Bigger kids have tried, and Gouki still needs to be able to fight deal with the twilight field and Ganon's other devious abilities. Can Gouki detect people in other dimensions? Can he strike someone who can react to lightning strikes with casuality? Ganondorf can also open up a hole in dimensions and force Gouki through with TK, trapping him between them.
Gouki very much needs his team mates.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelTo be fair, there's an explanation for that. >😮
Take away the cheap one at least! 😮And you did take time stopping from the heroes. 😛
Demise has apparently conquered time, which leads me to doubt such things would work anyway.
...Especially since in WW, Ganon manages to escape Hyrule, which is frozen in time, anyway. So, he has feats concerning "**** time stoppery".
I just didn't feel like arguing it. 😛