Originally posted by Q99
Keep in mind that Sasori has battlefield-wide jutsu (iron sands, and hundred puppets), and his iron sands lets him deny ninja their weapons that they often rely on.Eating chakra is nice, but it's largely a defensive thing, he can't eat the chakra until it's been sent out after him or is otherwise being radiated, and it always has to be hit with the sword (and/or be in merged mode).
With Sasori having both an offensive hax (the one-hit poison), and a defensive (make weapons a liability to the user), and the ability to select puppets to match opponent's weaknesses, I do think he's better against most enemies (not all, I'd definitely want Kisame against like jinchuuriki, but most).
True, but his Iron Sands do not affect the battlefield with the same magnitude as Kisame's Water Jutsu. It also does have a major Achilles heel in that it is tied to a single puppet that is a glass cannon.
His 100 puppets are nothing short of amazing on the other hand.
He can eat chakra from most ninjutsu or weapons enhanced with chakra.
Merged mode lets him drain chakra with a touch. He does not have to use Samehada to drain chakra under certain circumstances
According to the Narutopedia info, he could do that because he was submerged in water.
Which makes no sense to me personally but I don't really care for Kisame anyway so he can do what he likes. 😛
Originally posted by Bentley
I actually see White Zetsu outsmarting him 😐
Nah. White Zetsu is fairly dumb.
Yea, I see no reason it'd depend on water. Though he wouldn't have the fast swim speed outside.
True, but his Iron Sands do not affect the battlefield with the same magnitude as Kisame's Water Jutsu. It also does have a major Achilles heel in that it is tied to a single puppet that is a glass cannon.
It's not that much of a glass cannon- in order to get to it, you have to get past the sands (remember when they made a ton of small spikes that pretty much filled the area?), and it had some built-in weapons. Plus then you need to hit it quite hard.
He can eat chakra from most ninjutsu or weapons enhanced with chakra.
Yea, and while that's a nice cheat advantage, I think Sasori having two cheat advantages is overall better.
Chakra eating screws over a ninjutsu-heavy type's offense, and reduces the effectiveness of a weapons type. Iron sands screws over a weapons type, and poison screws over almost any low-defense or toughness based defense type.
While they both really screw over some foes, I think the wider applicability of poison, and that there are two different screw-over things, is better against most foes.
Merged mode lets him drain chakra with a touch. He does not have to use Samehada to drain chakra under certain circumstances
Yes, but he still needs to hit in that mode. If you can keep your distance, you can still do your stuff.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
That's retarded.
I didn't come up with it.
Personally, I think it was because chakra was being fed directly into him that he was able to absorb it rather than being affected by it the way it was intended.
Kisame being able to absorb chakra without his sword made no sense to me to begin with.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, I see no reason it'd depend on water. Though he wouldn't have the fast swim speed outside.
He could use Earth Jutsu to swim through the earth. Won't be as fast though.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not that much of a glass cannon- in order to get to it, you have to get past the sands (remember when they made a ton of small spikes that pretty much filled the area?), and it had some built-in weapons. Plus then you need to hit it quite hard.
Oh yeah, that was a pretty sweet attack.
It's still a glass cannon though, seeing as most puppets that aren't built for defense, are not very durable.
Originally posted by Q99
Yea, and while that's a nice cheat advantage, I think Sasori having two cheat advantages is overall better.Chakra eating screws over a ninjutsu-heavy type's offense, and reduces the effectiveness of a weapons type. Iron sands screws over a weapons type, and poison screws over almost any low-defense or toughness based defense type.
While they both really screw over some foes, I think the wider applicability of poison, and that there are two different screw-over things, is better against most foes.
Eh, Kisame's also got two cheat advantages, unless he's up against another Water user. He'd likely end up on top though, seeing as he's the best Water jutsu user in the manga with the exception of Tobirama most likely.
Originally posted by Q99
Yes, but he still needs to hit in that mode. If you can keep your distance, you can still do your stuff.
If it's coupled with that water jutsu of his, they won't be able to keep their distance because he'll be faster than them; short of S/T jutsu, or gravity manip on the scale of Shinra Tensei.
Sasori's definitely far more versatile, what with his puppet arsenal, Iron Sands, and the ability to control the movements of his enemies, but versatility isn't everything. Sasori's equipped to take on a variety of foes, while Kisame's equipped to take on a smaller variety, but also really powerful ones.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
I didn't come up with it.Personally, I think it was because chakra was being fed directly into him that he was able to absorb it rather than being affected by it the way it was intended.
Kisame being able to absorb chakra without his sword made no sense to me to begin with.
Who said you did? Don't think you always come up with retarded stuff. vin
Yeah, he has some unknown ability that allows him to siphon off chakra. Could even be why he's able to take chakra from Samehada without its consent.
Plus it also means if Sasori tries to use chakra threads on him, he will just absorb Sasori's chakra. vin
Sasori's definitely far more versatile, what with his puppet arsenal, Iron Sands, and the ability to control the movements of his enemies, but versatility isn't everything. Sasori's equipped to take on a variety of foes, while Kisame's equipped to take on a smaller variety, but also really powerful ones.
Agreed. I'd say against more foes, they're a bit better off facing Kisame than Sasori, but for a notable subset of powerful foes like any jinchuuriki, Juugo, Suigetsu, Raikage, etc., should totally avoid the shark dude and go for the puppet guy.