it's a retelling of the famous story of FF #57 iirc.
the story simply showed how it all happen filling gaps of in between the story of where surfer was and doom screwing with earth before facing the FF.
it basically homage story of Jack Kirby with modern art same thing they did with Wolverine and Hulk fight when it was rewritten with new art.
i mean dude it has the same dialogue
Syncwarp my bad
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0In that fight, Cable kept the city of Providence afloat, and was being forced to make repairs on an atomic level. Not just the city, but across the pacific fleet.
What rewrite story are you referring to? Time space mind warp whuh??? Cable and Surfer together. And they were repairing damage of pre-existing cities, NOT building cities out of thin air and keeping them perpetually levitated. NEXT.
Anyhow Dr. Manhattan building his Palace on Mars, and keeping it afloat comes to mind.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Typical sh1tty straw-man. Rulk handled Grandmaster and Uatu like a ragdoll too. Nice argument.Since when does normal Thor recreate Asgard out of nothing? Since when does normal Thor take down the Destroyer on his own? Much less survive the Destroyer?
I'd like to point out that current Thor was not noticeably superior to classic Thor except perhaps the Bor fight if you take the dialogue at face value.
All of the feats you mentioned was a JMS that did not take his portion of the Odin Force into account imo.
Also, Thor did no better in that issue against the Destroyer physically than he has in the past.
^ Thor hasn't matched the Destroyer equally in the past.
Originally posted by King CastleScans of the feats you mentioned, and proof that it's canon. Most importantly, scans of the feats you mentioned.
it's a retelling of the famous story of FF #57 iirc.the story simply showed how it all happen filling gaps of in between the story of where surfer was and doom screwing with earth before facing the FF.
it basically homage story of Jack Kirby with modern art same thing they did with Wolverine and Hulk fight when it was rewritten with new art.
i mean dude it has the same dialogue
Also, reality warping attacks whuh????
Originally posted by "Id"Surfer and Cable made the repairs to damage where the blew through buildings and ships. They didn't conjure up a city from thin air. Difference.
In that fight, Cable kept the city of Providence afloat, and was being forced to make repairs on an atomic level. Not just the city, but across the pacific fleet.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Thor hasn't matched the Destroyer equally in the past.
Untrue. His gone toe to toe with it in the past. Trading a few punches equally with it is hardly above what Thor has accomplished before.
The worst Thor has done against the Destroyer was when Tarene was the host and it was more powerful than ever before. Thor was not fully restored and did not wish to harm her. Once Odin restored him, he went toe to toe. Granted, Tarene was able to withhold some of the Destroyer's fury in the end.
Originally posted by Starscream M
what did he do to indicate he was much more powerful than thor? aside from non-battle feats...I mean, rulk handled him like a ragdoll. he was taken down by osborn and some b-level goons. what did he do to convince you he was much more powerful than regular thor?
wait a second so you wana tell me it was odin force thor that got humiliated by the U foes? OMG Lollll 😱
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHOw about the worst Thor did was get killed by the Destroyer Thor tanked the same blast that killed him in the past. Dr. Strange also confirmed that Thro was stronger with the Odinpower when he rebuilt Mjolnir "you will become like you were before if i repair the hammer" It was clear the odinpower was an amp Know on panel feats Bor is lacking. I give Bor the edge in power output and maybe even in durabilty to match Thanos judging by how he handle odinpower Thor. Bor does have magic as we have seen the valkeries he created that owned Classic Thor and all of asgard even hela. HOwever it is still hard to gauge Bor against Thanos for both are below skyfathers i see the battle swinging either way until we get more feats from BOr
Untrue. His gone toe to toe with it in the past. Trading a few punches equally with it is hardly above what Thor has accomplished before.The worst Thor has done against the Destroyer was when Tarene was the host and it was more powerful than ever before. Thor was not fully restored and did not wish to harm her. Once Odin restored him, he went toe to toe. Granted, Tarene was able to withhold some of the Destroyer's fury in the end.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
HOw about the worst Thor did was get killed by the Destroyer Thor tanked the same blast that killed him in the past. Dr. Strange also confirmed that Thro was stronger with the Odinpower when he rebuilt Mjolnir "you will become like you were before if i repair the hammer" It was clear the odinpower was an amp Know on panel feats Bor is lacking. I give Bor the edge in power output and maybe even in durabilty to match Thanos judging by how he handle odinpower Thor. Bor does have magic as we have seen the valkeries he created that owned Classic Thor and all of asgard even hela. HOwever it is still hard to gauge Bor against Thanos for both are below skyfathers i see the battle swinging either way until we get more feats from BOr
Which was in danger of happening again. It was just a higher end showing for Thor. It's not the same characters from writer to writer.
I'm not arguing that after JMS reintroduced the Thor -because of fanboy whining- that he didn't write it as elevating him but I am pointing out that when he brought Thor back, evidence points to the Odin Force not being in consideration at all. He didn't intend for it to be present, which is why when he reintroduced it, it might as well have not been there at all. He just wrote an impressive Thor. Unfortunately that's not enough for some people.
Thorbags clamoring for it's return just so they can argue Thor wins against Superman in a thread because his more powerful than before probably damaged the power of the Odin Force standing in hierarchy even further.
Keeping the Odin Force gone after the rebirth would have been much more profitable in the long run in my opinion.
The Valkyries were not creations of Bor as far as I know. They were Valkyries. His curse however made them the Disir. A power increase however was not specified as I recall. He did make them more formidable in combat with the entire invisibility thing.
Originally posted by DarkOdinHow would he get the edge in durability he got killed in 1 hit when thor actually started trying by a thor with only a small portion of the odin force. thanos took multiple attacks from an odin trying to kill him.
HOw about the worst Thor did was get killed by the Destroyer Thor tanked the same blast that killed him in the past. Dr. Strange also confirmed that Thro was stronger with the Odinpower when he rebuilt Mjolnir "you will become like you were before if i repair the hammer" It was clear the odinpower was an amp Know on panel feats Bor is lacking. I give Bor the edge in power output and maybe even in durabilty to match Thanos judging by how he handle odinpower Thor. Bor does have magic as we have seen the valkeries he created that owned Classic Thor and all of asgard even hela. HOwever it is still hard to gauge Bor against Thanos for both are below skyfathers i see the battle swinging either way until we get more feats from BOr
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Which was in danger of happening again. It was just a higher end showing for Thor. It's not the same characters from writer to writer.I'm not arguing that after JMS reintroduced the Thor -because of fanboy whining- that he didn't write it as elevating him but I am pointing out that when he brought Thor back, evidence points to the Odin Force not being in consideration at all. He didn't intend for it to be present, which is why when he reintroduced it, it might as well have not been there at all. He just wrote an impressive Thor. Unfortunately that's not enough.
Thorbags clamoring for it's return just so they can argue Thor wins against Superman in a thread because his more powerful than before probably damaged the power of the Odin Force standing in hierarchy even further.
The Valkyries were not creations of Bor. They were Valkyries. His curse however made them the Disir. A power increase however was not specified.
That maybe how it was intended but we have proof that it was still around and a amp. He was way above BRB in the arc he tanked a blast that killed is classic level. He confirms that that the Odinpower does was being used in the BOr battle and Strange confirms it at the last panel of Odinforce Thor that he is returned to his former elvel when they recreated Mjonir. and noty to mention Thor needing to go into the Odinsleep from using th eOdinpower to bring back his people
As for the Disir it was clear Bor curse amped them past the level of standard Valk from how they we able to stand against hela and tyr. The fact that Bor cursed them show he could use some sort of magic. however he still needs more feats
Originally posted by thanos-primeThe attack that killed him broke Mjolnir that is impressive as far as durability goes like i said maybe even but more feats are needed to back it
How would he get the edge in durability he got killed in 1 hit when thor actually started trying by a thor with only a portion of the odin force. thanos took multiple attacks from an odin trying to kill him.
^Please refrain from commenting until you learn to read. If you did infact read my posts, cute strawman.
No one's saying you should ignore the Odin Force. I pointed out that when it was reintroduced, it changed everything. This is why I don't use any feats shown during #1 to #602 of v3.
This is assuming you're being serious as I can't tell anymore.
Originally posted by DarkOdin
That maybe how it was intended but we have proof that it was still around and a amp. He was way above BRB in the arc he tanked a blast that killed is classic level. He confirms that that the Odinpower does was being used in the BOr battle and Strange confirms it at the last panel of Odinforce Thor that he is returned to his former elvel when they recreated Mjonir.As for the Disir it was clear Bor curse amped them past the level of standard Valk from how they we able to stand against hela and tyr. The fact that Bor cursed them show he could use some sort of magic. however he still needs more feats
Okay so what's your point then? I'm telling you that when Thor was brought back, evidence points to there being no consideration at all about the Odin Force being included. It not being mentioned at all in the first 6 issues would be a big enough clue. We're not comic book characters. Such things should be considered when discussed.
Once more time since the last post didn't sink in: I'm not denying that JMS wrote Thor as being amped once he reintroduced it.
There's nothing you can tell me that I do not already know.
No it's not clear as we have no idea how formidable the Disir were before the curse. As we have seen at this point, assuming all Asgardians are equal power would be illogical.
By the way, Fraction pointed out that the Secret Invasion mini takes place right after Thor revived the Asgardians and was severely weakened. The Thor that was above Beta Ray Bill was not above his classic levels imo. He even said it was drained IIRC.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
^Please refrain from commenting until you learn to read. If you did infact read my posts, cute strawman.No one's saying you should ignore the Odin Force. I pointed out that when it was reintroduced, it changed everything. This is why I don't use any feats shown during #1 to #602 of v3.
This is assuming you're being serious as I can't tell anymore.
Okay so what's your point then? I'm telling you that when Thor was brought back, evidence points to there being no consideration at all about the Odin Force being included. It not being mentioned at all in the first 6 issues would be a big enough clue. We're not comic book characters. Such things should be considered when discussed.
Once more time since the last post didn't sink in: I'm not denying that JMS wrote Thor as being amped once he reintroduced it.
There's nothing you can tell me that I do not already know.
No it's not clear as we have no idea how formidable the Disir were before the curse. As we have seen at this point, assuming all Asgardians are equal power would be illogical.
By the way, Fraction pointed out that the Secret Invasion mini takes place right after Thor revived the Asgardians and was severely weakened. The Thor that was above Beta Ray Bill was not above his classic levels imo. He even said it was drained IIRC.
They took down Hela her magic was useless agaisnt them it was clear they were beyond stantard asgardians as only a handfull are more powerful then hela. Teh odin force was confirmed to amp Thor be it slight or alot. The later writers made it so. It is you personally that doesn't like it and that s all. IF Thor was recreated at his standard level it was reconnted but that later issues.
Also from the beginning Thor did things that standard Thor could not. Mainly recreating asgard itself. Which is beyond standard Thor levels.
