The WM with the energy "W" from Force Works and early 2000s Avengers (Busiek?) was turning into pure ionic energy. Current Wonderman doesn't do that, he shrouds himself in an energy aura like a Dragon Ball Z character... and didn't Iron Man say that wasn't supposed to happen? That it was ion energy leaking and it was killing him? His "W" isn't energy.
I'm a few states away from my comics so I can't check right now...however the main trail's shape is too uniform and straight to be blood flow, also there is no mention of any injury in the book.
Plus, you can see all of Wolverine's claws is the panel where they supposedly penetrate Simon's back...not to mention the lack of blood in that panel.
Originally posted by Silent Master
I'm a few states away from my comics so I can't check right now...however the main trail's shape is too uniform and straight to be blood flow, also there is no mention of any injury in the book.Plus, you can see all of Wolverine's claws is the panel where they supposedly penetrate Simon's back...not to mention the lack of blood in that panel.
No worries, I don't have my long boxes in my condo either, just my weekly 0-Day issues from September - Now. But I remember Stark saying that Simon was leaking ionic energy and that he looked sickly and he was losing hair and it was likely killing him. That's why he has an energy shroud around him now, but was normal back during Mighty Avengers. It's also probably why is he is currently insane.
Not really. He bursted forward and the streaked downwards, the off shot to the right is probably and indication of where it was pooling while he was still standing before he started flying.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
No worries, I don't have my long boxes in my condo either, just my weekly 0-Day issues from September - Now. But I remember Stark saying that Simon was leaking ionic energy and that he looked sickly and he was losing hair and it was likely killing him. That's why he has an energy shroud around him now, but was normal back during Mighty Avengers. It's also probably why is he is currently insane.Not really. He bursted forward and the streaked downwards, the off shot to the right is probably and indication of where it was pooling while he was still standing before he started flying.
Did Stark say that before or after the stab?
Originally posted by Silent Master
Basically, if Wolverine really stabbed him and that was really blood rather than just an energy trail....why isn't there a mention of the injury anywhere in the book...hell Simon didn't even grunt when it happened and he's not exactly known for his pain tolerance.
It didn't need to be mentioned because it was shown... can you think of a single time when the issue stops and the narration points out that Wolverine stabbed someone? How much hand holding do you need.
Simone has pretty good damage soak, the guy has taken some pretty epic beatings in his career. He isn't the top tier equivalent of Punisher but he isn't a push over.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
That's a good point also. Maybe a coloring error?
It's possible but if you look closely at the longer red trail you can see that it appears to have been purple first, then coloured over in red, which would imply that it was intentional. In order to believe that it isn't a blood trail you have to chalk a lot of things up to coincidence, to the point where we are more than straining the limits of believability. The simple and most obvious explanation is that Wolverine stabbed Wonder Man and that red streak is a trail of blood. Silent Master can over analyses and dissect the issue until he dies of old age, but the most logical answer is Wolverine stabbed Wonder Man, any other explanation requires too many coincidences to line up for it to be a reasonable belief.
It's a rather large trail, that much blood would require a large wound, yet we see the entire length of Wolverine's claws in the panel where he supposedly stabs Simon, we don't see any blood in the panel where he's stabbed, Simon doesn't even grunt while he’s supposedly being stabbed and the wound isn’t mentioned by the characters or narration.
It's an energy trail.
We don't see any blood in the panel he is stabbed because it is blocked by an energy hemorrhage. As for the length of the blood trail, it's a comic book, they exaggerate and accentuate everything. When Wonder Man punched Wolverine that comic his face practically exploded, looked like he lost a freaking liter of blood.
Wonder Man doesn't have red energy. His energy is purple. The red trail isn't purple. The red trail is red. The red trail is blood. Simple.
Yea...that doesn't explain how the wound was gone by the next panel, how we can see the entire length of Logan's claws in the panel where he stabs Simon, why Simon didn't even grunt while being stabbed and why no mention of the wound is mentioned in the narration or by a character in the book.
It's an energy trail and it's exactly the same shade as his W.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Yea...that doesn't explain how the wound was gone by the next panel, how we can see the entire length of Logan's claws in the panel where he stabs Simon, why Simon didn't even grunt while being stabbed and why no mention of the wound is mentioned in the narration or by a character in the book.It's an energy trail and it's exactly the same shade as his W.
The wound was never "gone by the next panel", Wonder Man simply left and he and his back was never shown again. The panel in question is a snap shot of the seconds after the Wolverine stabbed Wonder Man. He ate a punch to land his attack and his claws were no longer inside of Simon. The narration and all the characters failed to mention that Wonder Man punched Wolverine too, I guess that never happened also! Do you think about the things you are writing? This isn't a novel, it's a comic, there isn't a narrative play-by-play to restate everything happening on the panels. That would be incredibly sloppy story telling.
The W isn't energy, it's cloth.
lol
Because the lack of a sound effect is what we use to determine how effective an attack was! dur
In the next issue Wolverine ate a near point blank energy blast from Apocalypse's Celestial tech weaponry and got tossed into a building by Red Hulk and didn't make a noise in either case! ZOMG! In the issue before Kang didn't make a sound effect when Thor blasted him point blank in the face and knocked him across the city! ZOMG! Seriously, your a joke man. At least attempt to come up with a worth while argument, you are debasing the entire forum with this nonsense.
Simon isn't weakened, if anything he is stronger than before, like a dying star burning hotter and hotter as it uses up the last of its fuel before going Nova. He is leaking ionic energy, which is for all purposes his life force, eventually it will kill him but right now he essentially has unregulated strength and energy output. He dropped Thor with a single gut shot.
Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan.?
According to you, Stark said that "Simon was leaking ionic energy and that he looked sickly and he was losing hair and it was likely killing him." Leaking energy and losing hair would call his durability into question, so even if that was blood...it wouldn't be a usable feat for a healthy Simon.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan.?According to you, Stark said that "Simon was leaking ionic energy and that he looked sickly and he was losing hair and it was likely killing him." Leaking energy and losing hair would call his durability into question, so even if that was blood...it wouldn't be a usable feat for a healthy Simon.
No it's a "What the hell are you talking about?" to the idea that Simon has a healing factor and higher pain tolerance than Logan. Lack of a sound effect signifies less than nothing (as I just pointed out), and there is no basis at all for suggesting he has a healing factor. So, again, what the hell are you talking about?
Uhhhhhhh... based on what? What relation does hair lose and energy leaking have to durability? Anyway I went back and reread the issues we are discussing, and I was off a bit, Iron Man said that Wonder Man was having trouble "keeping himself together." It looked like all his energy was leaking out and he as to concentrate to keep it inside of him. It doesn't look like the hair lost is ever explicitly mentioned (I only skimmed through the first couple of ten issues so maybe it comes up again) but in the first issue Simon has a full head of shoulder length hair while Cap is talking to him, then the next issue his hair is cropped short the the scalp, I guess I linked the two things together but it is conceivable he got a new hair cut to go with his new evil outlook.