Wolverine vs Wonderman(slugfest)

His wound is missing in the panel that shows the energy/blood trail...which either means that he wasn't stabbed or that he has a healing factor.

So back to my question, Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan?

Plus, Simon not being healthy means that even if you're right about it being blood...the feat isn't usable for against a healthy Wonder-man.

Originally posted by Silent Master
His wound is missing in the panel that shows the energy/blood trail...which either means that he wasn't stabbed or that he has a healing factor.

So back to my question, Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan?

Plus, Simon not being healthy means that even if you're right about it being blood...the feat isn't usable for against a healthy Wonder-man.

The wound is not missing... it's under the blood. So again, what the hell are you talking about with this pain tolerance and healing factor nonsense? Seriously?

Except for the net result of Simon's aliments is a power amp...

^ Even granting your observation that Wolverine appears to pierce Simon's energy form, what exactly leads you to believe that Simon would eventually leak vital energies out and be gravely wounded/die?

The claws hit above the W, there is no "blood" above the W in that panel.

Which brings us back to Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Even granting your observation that Wolverine appears to pierce Simon's energy form, what exactly leads you to believe that Simon would eventually leak vital energies out and be gravely wounded/die?

I don't believe that any of that would happen. I already said it doesn't matter that Wolverine can stab him, this argument is over whether or not he did.

^ Ah, didn't see this:

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Probably Wonderman. Wolverine's claws managed to penetrate Simon in Avengers, but considering he is composed of ionic energy it hardly matters.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The claws hit above the W, there is no "blood" above the W in that panel.

Which brings us back to Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan?

He didn't connect with the area above the W. Look at the panels. Notice where the section of the W connects with Wonder Man's shoulder, then look at the direct back few and notice how the center of the W arcs well above that area. Underneath the purple energy hemorrhage is the middle chevron that composes the W.

You look at the panel, the claws aren't even close to the W.

lol

Yes they are, just look at he panel and the orientation of the character. We can see the left part of the W that connects with his shoulder, and we know the proportions of the logo based on the panel where we see Simon's back. We know where Wolverine's claws are, we know what Wonder Man's logo looks like, we know the W is symmetrical at the middle chevron meets in the center of his spine just below the base of his neck. Its not difficult to deduce where claws are relative to that logo. There is debate on this issue. Wolverine's claws are visibly situated near Wonder Man's spine a few inches below the base of his neck, that IS where the W would be if it was visible.

Please take some time to think about what you are saying, and stop merely being contrary for the sack of being contrary.

The down stroke of the W passes under Logan's fist, and seeing as the upstroke is also angled, the claws aren't pointed to where any part of the W would be.

The "up part" of the the W would be curving around the shoulder blade, up towards the base of the neck, where Wolverine's claws are.

No, this part \ of the W passes under Logan's fist, that means the upstroke, IE this part / would be even further to the right of his fist....IOW nowhere near where his claws are pointed.

Originally posted by Silent Master
No, this part \ of the W passes under Logan's fist, that means the upstroke, IE this part / would be even further to the right of his fist....IOW nowhere near where his claws are pointed.

If he was a flat surface and not subject to the laws of perspective maybe. lol

Look at Wonder Man's shoulders. Look where his head is. Triangulate the center line (spine). Notice where Wolverine's claws are relative to that. You don't need to be Da Vinci or have a masters in anatomy to figure this out.

Look at Wolverine's fist, the down stroke of the W passes under it, that means the upstroke is going to be to the right of his fist.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Look at Wolverine's fist, the down stroke of the W passes under it, that means the upstroke is going to be to the right of his fist.

Foreshortening, depth and perspective. Google them.

You can see where Wonder Man's left shoulder is. You can see where his right shoulder is. You can see where his head is. You can see where his center line is. You know relative to each of those points where the W will in up. Imposed on top are the claws of Wolverine's hand. It's not complicated, you have no argument to support you claim, the fact that you believe that you do is detrimental to credibility. Stop working so hard to undermine your own intelligence.

Again, the downstroke passes under Logan's fist, that means the upstroke will be to the right of his fist.

IOW, Logan stabbed the purple area between the red lines.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, the downstroke passes under Logan's fist, that means the upstroke will be to the right of his fist.

IOW, Logan stabbed the purple area between the red lines.

Wolverine's claws are near the the center line of Wonder Man's spine. They couldn't have penetrated the purple area in between the red sections because the W is perfectly symmetrical in how it is laid out on Simon's back. Wolverine's claws are in the center of his back, where the top of the W would be. Everything you are saying has been addressed... do you not remember how I explained this to you already? It was only a few minutes ago. Maybe you should go see your family doctor?

Foreshortening, depth and perspective. Google them.

You can see where Wonder Man's left shoulder is. You can see where his right shoulder is. You can see where his head is. You can see where his center line is. You know relative to each of those points where the W will in up. Imposed on top are the claws of Wolverine's hand. It's not complicated, you have no argument to support you claim, the fact that you believe that you do is detrimental to credibility. Stop working so hard to undermine your own intelligence.

You can see where the downstroke is and you can see where it passes under Logan's fist, that means the upstroke is going to be to the right of Logan's fist.

IOW, Logan stabbed the purple area between the red lines.

So back to my question, Was that a yes to, Wolverine stabbed Wonder-man off panel and Simon has both a healing factor and a higher pain tolerance than Logan?