Originally posted by zopzop
The thing about that is, the Destroyer was crafted by Asgardians but empowered by every skyfather on Earth. That new weapon Erishkigal found wasn't made by Asgardians at all but an alien artifact that just stumbled into their hands.Aside from Mjolnir/Stormbreaker, what other elite weapons have the Asgardians made (that are purely Asgardian)?
Captain America didn't make his shield...does that mean he doesn't get to use it in vs threads?
Originally posted by zopzop
The thing about that is, the Destroyer was crafted by Asgardians but empowered by every skyfather on Earth. That new weapon Erishkigal found wasn't made by Asgardians at all but an alien artifact that just stumbled into their hands.Aside from Mjolnir/Stormbreaker, what other elite weapons have the Asgardians made (that are purely Asgardian)?
while it's true that it's part of other pantheons power. But I don't think it's really debatable as not being part of their arsenal. I mean it's clearly a weapon they actually use.
As a strictly god battle it prolly shouldn't be included, since none of them uses it as standard gear. But the Destroyer is clearly a part of their kingdoms arsenal.
Originally posted by jalek moye
No it's a win. Asgard uses it as a weapon in battles somewhat frequently. It's clearly something that's part of their arsenal.
asgard use it as frequently as reed used the un...i dont remember seeing the destroyer in seige, or against galan, its a plot device nothing more...and going with the original op NOT part of the pantheon
Originally posted by Silent Master
Captain America didn't make his shield...does that mean he doesn't get to use it in vs threads?
Difference is, Zeus actually contributed power to the Destroy Armor (among other Skyfahters) how is it fair that the Asgardians get to use it in a pantheon war? It has power in it that was given by OTHER pantheons.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
asgard use it as frequently as reed used the un...i dont remember seeing the destroyer in seige, or against galan, its a plot device nothing more...and going with the original op NOT part of the pantheon
Originally posted by zopzop
Difference is, Zeus actually contributed power to the Destroy Armor (among other Skyfahters) how is it fair that the Asgardians get to use it in a pantheon war? It has power in it that was given by OTHER pantheons.
Following that logic, if the fight was War Machine vs Iron-man...you would be in here saying that it wouldn't be fair for Rhodes to use his armor, right?
After all, it was built by Tony aka Iron-man.
Originally posted by jalek moye
They pulled it against Galan at the end. People like Loki have used it, he used it during one of the recent arcs to help save asgard. Balder used it during the JMS run. They used it against the celestial, it's been used against thor by Odin and against others by Odin, there is another handful of times its been used. Yes it wasn't used during siege but that maybe have been because Odin wasn't there. It's used often enough to be a viable weapon in an actual war. I myself said don't know if it should count here, but it clearly is a real part of their arsenal not some one off artifact
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Originally posted by zopzop
Aside from Mjolnir/Stormbreaker, what other elite weapons have the Asgardians made (that are purely Asgardian)?
Gungnir, Dragonfang, the Norn Stones, Belt of Strength, Twilight Sword, Casket of Ancient Winters, etc.
Asgard has an obscene amount of weaponry and artifacts which they've used and have at their disposal.
Originally posted by zopzop
The thing about that is, the Destroyer was crafted by Asgardians but empowered by every skyfather on Earth. That new weapon Erishkigal found wasn't made by Asgardians at all but an alien artifact that just stumbled into their hands.
So I guess we're done with our previous discussion then? You've gone in a different direction entirely.
So what? It still counts. Besides like I said, if anything, that scene under Thomas was retconned during Simonson as everything told by the Odin Eye is extremely suspect. I know, it was worth mentioning.
Originally posted by zopzop
Aside from Mjolnir/Stormbreaker, what other elite weapons have the Asgardians made (that are purely Asgardian)?
Plenty, the Asgardian based comicverse in general has a slew of incredibly powerful objects/weapons/artifacts. I mean, writers just make these weapons up when they need to in Thor related comics.
In Fear Itself alone, Asgard forged seven weapons that let the Avengers match the Worthy in just a few hours. Tony Stark provided the designs mind you but that doesn't matter.
I wonder if Mangog would count as his a creation of Odin. mhmm
Originally posted by jalek moye
They pulled it against Galan at the end. People like Loki have used it, he used it during one of the recent arcs to help save asgard. Balder used it during the JMS run. They used it against the celestial, it's been used against thor by Odin and against others by Odin, there is another handful of times its been used. Yes it wasn't used during siege but that maybe have been because Odin wasn't there. It's used often enough to be a viable weapon in an actual war. I myself said don't know if it should count here, but it clearly is a real part of their arsenal not some one off artifact
i get that, but destroyer armor is solely a plot device nothing more. its not wielded like mjolnir or caps shield , etc...and the reason y the olympians havent divulged their armory is because marvel has a hard-on for norse lore. hell Hephaestus is just as talented a smith as the dwarves who frged mjolnir, they just get no screen time. i just dont see it as a conventional weapon
Originally posted by Silent Master'
Following that logic, if the fight was War Machine vs Iron-man...you would be in here saying that it wouldn't be fair for Rhodes to use his armor, right?After all, it was built by Tony aka Iron-man.
The OP originally said PAN THEON (all gods) war between Asgard and Olympus. So Destroyer armor is out (seeing as how it's powered by gods NOT in the Asgardian PAN THEON). If he meant to say Asgard and all its' resources vs Olympus and all it's resources then that would be a different story.
Originally posted by zopzop
The OP originally said PAN THEON (all gods) war between Asgard and Olympus. So Destroyer armor is out (seeing as how it's powered by gods NOT in the Asgardian PAN THEON). If he meant to say Asgard and all its' resources vs Olympus and all it's resources then that would be a different story.
The Destroyer is in.
Originally posted by ozz81
Its a weopons fight both sides use all the power they have at their disposal!
Originally posted by zopzop
Difference is, Zeus actually contributed power to the Destroy Armor (among other Skyfahters) how is it fair that the Asgardians get to use it in a pantheon war? It has power in it that was given by OTHER pantheons.
This isn't something that's debatable or open to interpretation. The Destroyer is part of Asgard's arsenal, the TS gave the green light for it's involvement.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
i get that, but destroyer armor is solely a plot device nothing more. its not wielded like mjolnir or caps shield , etc...and the reason y the olympians havent divulged their armory is because marvel has a hard-on for norse lore. hell Hephaestus is just as talented a smith as the dwarves who frged mjolnir, they just get no screen time. i just dont see it as a conventional weapon
So typical butt hurt then?
Originally posted by zopzop
@RageCan you provide scans of the retconning of the Destroyer armor's origin?
Originally, the Destroyer was specifically referenced as being created/empowered/enchanted by Odin way before Thor #300, such references have been made after.
The entire Skyfather involvement was revealed by the Odin eye, the reliability of which was put into serious question in Thor #355 by Simonson:
Being a Kirby/Lee fan, he didn't like all the Asgardian lore warping Thomas did. If anything, it didn't retcon the origin of the Destroyer, it set it straight by ignoring all that other bullshit.
Sorry people just to clarify just incase to avoid further confusions: yeah i meant to say an all out war/fight/battle between the entire Asgardian and Olympian race , gods and pantheons also involved etc in the entire marvel universe .. Both sides use all the weopons,resources and powers they have at their disposal ..so yeah destroyer also involved ..
