Sinestro > Kyle.
Anyway...
Thor and Bill will undoubtedly have the best teamwork of everyone present. Billy and Adam will probably have the second best rapport.
In a massive four way brawl, I think that the Hammer Brothers would wind up winning. As far as who comes in next, it depends on which team would find common ground first.
I think Superman / Ultraman would have bad chances here because of the amount of magic.
1. Captain Marvel / Black Adam
2. Thor / Beta Ray Bill (Because of the possible teamwork and the versatility)
3. Sinestro / Kyle
4. Superman / Ultraman
I'm giving the victory to Captain Marvel and Black Adam because of their speed advantage over Thor / BRB and Sinestro / Kyle. They're also strong and durable, so they could last for a good while.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank*****, please.
Sinestro > Kyle.Anyway...
Thor and Bill will undoubtedly have the best teamwork of everyone present. Billy and Adam will probably have the second best rapport.
In a massive four way brawl, I think that the Hammer Brothers would wind up winning. As far as who comes in next, it depends on which team would find common ground first.
Originally posted by Enzeru
I think Superman / Ultraman would have bad chances here because of the amount of magic.1. Captain Marvel / Black Adam
2. Thor / Beta Ray Bill (Because of the possible teamwork and the versatility)
3. Sinestro / Kyle
4. Superman / UltramanI'm giving the victory to Captain Marvel and Black Adam because of their speed advantage over Thor / BRB and Sinestro / Kyle. They're also strong and durable, so they could last for a good while.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Ultraman doesn't have any magic weakness and despite all their "magical punches" neither marvel nor adam have a single victory over superman. How does magic weakness results in kyle/sinestro being higher than superman/ultraman anyway? It's going to be decided between hammer bros and superman/ultraman.
Ultraman isn't going to win the battle all by himself. While he is powerful, he would still have to deal with powerful and skilled opponents and Superman would really have some serious problems with 4 characters on the battlefield who can dish out magical damage, so that could turn him into the weakest link with all the damage he is not that resistent to.
Additionally to that, aren't the Lanterns able to drain energy / radiation with their rings? The same goes for Thor with Mjolnir. They could basically suck Superman dry.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Ultraman isn't going to win the battle all by himself. While he is powerful, he would still have to deal with powerful and skilled opponents and Superman would really have some serious problems with 4 characters on the battlefield who can dish out magical damage, so that could turn him into the weakest link with all the damage he is not that resistent to.Additionally to that, aren't the Lanterns able to drain energy / radiation with their rings? The same goes for Thor with Mjolnir. They could basically suck Superman dry.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The only reason shazam bros are considered a threat to superman is because of their magic. Remove magic from equation and they are just slightly weaker, slightly slower kryptonians.
That's not entirely true. Their base and raw physical attributes are enough for them to be threats to Superman. The magic aspect just gives them an advantage.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Remove magic from equation and they are just slightly weaker, slightly slower kryptonians. I already shut you up in superman/sentry thread about superman's energy absorption. Lanterns haven't done any energy manipulation in ages and thor or bill would not use it in normal condition.
1. Superman considers Captain Marvel and himself as equals. Give Captain Marvel the magic and he has an slight advantage.
2. You didn't do crap, because I only wanted to show that Superman can be drained, and if someone like the Sentry comes along, Superman would be in trouble, yet that's hard to prove, because the only instance where Sentry could have bad absorbed the enemies energy / radiation to defeat him was in the full of PIS arc: WW Hulk.
3. You're basically taking away the abilities of people to grant Superman the victory. What kind of a fanboy are you? That's not how we judge fights. We take a look at the characters - at the entire spectrum of their powers and what they could be able to do in a battle do defeat the enemies and not brawl it out in a stupid slugfest.
- Captain Marvel, Black Adam, Thor and Beta Ray Bill using their magic to take out Superman, who is a very powerful opponent, yet would struggle withi that much magic... That is what could happen.
- Thor, Beta Ray Bill, Sinestro and Kyle using drain to weaken Superman and take him out? That is what could happen too, because Thor and Beta Ray Bill would have taken an enemy out, without actually harming him, while Kyle would be concerned about Superman and for Sinestro it would be the fastest way to end the fight.
- Superman using his superspeed to vibrate his hands into the enemies bodies and kill him in the process...? Yeah, that is totally in character for Superman and that is totally what would happen. [Watch it, sarcasm!] Besides that, if Superman considers Captain Marvel and himself as equals, he will not have such a high speed advantage.
If they all fight at the maximum capacity of their powers, yet stay in character (which is how we actually see and judge fights), then Superman and Ultraman would have some real problems in this one, especially Superman because of the amount of magic. No one is going to one-shot him in this battle without using some fancy moves, but even Superman can be harmed and if someone with the strenght of Thor hits you and releases additional lightnings or Mjolnir magic, then that hurts, even Superman and now matter how much of a fanboy you are, you're not going to change this.
Superman / Ultraman are the losers of this battle, face it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
The only reason shazam bros are considered a threat to superman is because of their magic. Remove magic from equation and they are just slightly weaker, slightly slower kryptonians. Magic is a hinderance to superman but it's not like he would fold against it. If you can provide any instance of superman folding against BLUNT force of magic, please provide. I already shut you up in superman/sentry thread about superman's energy absorption. Lanterns haven't done any energy manipulation in ages and thor or bill would not use it in normal condition. IF they start throwing more exotic powers like energy absorption, superman can just vibrate and remove their hearts. But we both know that's not gonna happen, thor and bill are too proud to use their more exotic powers against bricks.
Tone it down, please. No reason to make it personal.
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As for the thread, I can see Superman giving anyone here trouble, though I think putting Ultraman with him was a bit of a mistake.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Agreed.Shoulda gave him Majestic.
Maybe, or Zod or something.
I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I've never been that impressed by Ultraman. FC was nice, sure, but outside of that? He just never did it for me. He gets lip service, but I don't think i've ever seriously considered him a peer to Superman.