Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is a lot of back and forth nonsense over a simple battle zone.Thor vs. Gladiator, who do you think is stronger? If you believe Gladiator is stronger, and CLEARLY so (Lmao btw, someone has been drinking their own koolaid) then it should be no problem to back the point in a battle zone with objective judges....especially since you initiated the battle zone.
I'm done school for the next month, so I have some free time if you would like Abhil. 🙂
Originally posted by DamborgsonThor strikes Harder with mljonir and has ranged attacks, so if gladiator was only as strong as thor, thor would beat him 9/10 everytime.
Gladistor is CLEARLY stronger than Thor? Bold claim, one that can't be proven, which is probably why you didn't bother posting any evidence with it.
Originally posted by abhilegend
With only comparisons? I'm game.
What does that mean, only comparisons? I'm assuming that means you don't want to include some of Thor's feats or something?
And if he was so obviously stronger, why must you attach an asterisk to your battle zone? You specifically said that he was clearly stronger and you were willing to defend your stance in a battle zone.
I've done a Gladiator vs. Thor strength battle zone before. I've read every single appearance Gladiator has ever had, some his "fans" probably haven't, and every comic that has had Thor appear in it so I know exactly how they compare which is I'm all game for this battle zone but I'm curious why you aren't as confident as you seemed to be earlier.
And if by comparisons, you mean direct contests of strength only, then what is their to talk about? What is all this chest puffing nonsense about battle zones?
They've had three fights, two involving future Gladiator's and the only consistency has been that: They are dead equal in strength. The only other conclusions to draw from them would be that (A) Gladiator is faster than Thor and (B) Thor with Mjolnir in hand is too powerful and would beat Gladiator.
Which is exactly what anyone who has been keeping up with Marvel comics would be the conclusion they come to.
Originally posted by ODG
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsGladiator02.jpgMasterson Thor vs Gladiator, from Thor #445:
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http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/MastersonThorvsGladiator05.jpgThor vs Gladiator again, from Thor vol. 2 #34-35:
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does that mean, only comparisons? I'm assuming that means you don't want to include some of Thor's feats or something?And if he was so obviously stronger, why must you attach an asterisk to your battle zone? You specifically said that he was clearly stronger and you were willing to defend your stance in a battle zone.
I've done a Gladiator vs. Thor strength battle zone before. I've read every single appearance Gladiator has ever had, some his "fans" probably haven't, and every comic that has had Thor appear in it so I know exactly how they compare which is I'm all game for this battle zone but I'm curious why you aren't as confident as you seemed to be earlier.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What does that mean, only comparisons? I'm assuming that means you don't want to include some of Thor's feats or something?
Relative performance against each other and other characters.
And if he was so obviously stronger, why must you attach an asterisk to your battle zone? You specifically said that he was clearly stronger and you were willing to defend your stance in a battle zone.
Because I don't believe in matching random strength feats.
I've done a Gladiator vs. Thor strength battle zone before. I've read every single appearance Gladiator has ever had, some his "fans" probably haven't, and every comic that has had Thor appear in it so I know exactly how they compare which is I'm all game for this battle zone but I'm curious why you aren't as confident as you seemed to be earlier.
I've read pretty much every Thor comic ever.
Not Confident? I will beat every Thorbag out there simultaneously if need be. Your disciples are just disappointing.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And if by comparisons, you mean direct contests of strength only, then what is their to talk about? What is all this chest puffing nonsense about battle zones?They've had three fights, two involving future Gladiator's and the only consistency has been that: They are dead equal in strength. The only other conclusions to draw from them would be that (A) Gladiator is faster than Thor and (B) Thor with Mjolnir in hand is too powerful and would beat Gladiator.
Which is exactly what anyone who has been keeping up with Marvel comics would be the conclusion they come to.
Dead equals when Gladiator needs two punches to KTFO Thor and Thor needs Tarene, several energy blasts and two handed mjolnir shots to barely KO Gladiator while explicitly all out.
Dead strong indeed.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Oh yeah, abhi wants very narrowly defined parameters in regards to what constitutes valid evidence in determining who's stronger between Thor and Glads. Like throwing 99.999999999999% of Thor's showings out the window from the get go.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Don't be salty goober. I can do any BZ but debating random strength feats is just not my style.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not salty, I just think it's humorus for you to make the claim that Glads is stronger and then when asked to BZ it insist that a staggeringly large chunk of potential evidence(that's relevant on this particular forum) for Thor be thrown out the window.
Like Mangog or Thanos.
Oh wait, it's convenient for Thanos to be stronger based on interactions but not Gladiator.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because God forbid nobody can claim characters are stronger based on interactions.Like Mangog or Thanos.
Oh wait, it's convenient for Thanos to be stronger based on interactions but not Gladiator.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Yeah, because God forbid nobody can claim characters are stronger based on interactions.Like Mangog or Thanos.
Oh wait, it's convenient for Thanos to be stronger based on interactions but not Gladiator.
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Characters who surpass tiers of other characters get a heavier weight on interactions. But Gladiator is not in the trans tier like the others mentioned, so he gets to compare feats with the rest of the guys in his class. Just like Thor, Superman, Orion, whoever.
The characters get their strength established, then someone like Mangog comes around and beats the living hell out of Thor, and stands up to everything Odin can dish out, we can safely put them in different tiers.
Now, does this mean that character interactions are invalid? Obviously not, and no one is saying That, that matters anyway. But it equally doesnt mean, that feats of strength outside of character interaction dont matter, which is what you're getting called on and that you want to exclude them makes you look like a giant pussy. -shrug-
So are you actually going to accept a legitimate BZ or only one where you can exclude the showings that hurt your argument?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Relative performance against each other and other characters.Because I don't believe in matching random strength feats.
I've read pretty much every Thor comic ever.
Not Confident? I will beat every Thorbag out there simultaneously if need be. Your disciples are just disappointing.
You do it all the time. All the time.
Soooo me and 2 other posters in favour of Thor against you in favour of Gladiator in a battle zone?
Originally posted by abhilegend
😂Dead equals when Gladiator needs two punches to KTFO Thor and Thor needs Tarene, several energy blasts and two handed mjolnir shots to barely KO Gladiator while explicitly all out.
Dead strong indeed.
Fight 1: Gladiator says Thor's unimaginably powerful and says they are equal.
Fight 2: Masterson and Gladiator stalemate in one of the clearest grappling contests of strength I've seen printed even though Masterson is a complete noob.
Fight 3: You're interpretation is such a warped perception in terms of wording I don't even understand why you'd even want a battle zone. For example: Gladiator punched Thor away but it was Jake Olsen who was knocked out on impact. In that era, separation meant a gradual change. Not to mention Thor was holding back and Gladiator was explicitly planning on killing him. And Thor needing all that to knock him out is said where?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Hey I never said that no oneit was wrong for someone to make that claim. Said it was humorus to make the claim that character A is definately stronger and then rule out using perfectly valid evidence for the other side. What you choose to accept is your decision. But trying to insist that only your preference of evidence be relevant on a forum that acknowledges the validity of the evidence you want to exclude is just silly. You might as well just say "Gladiator is stronger in my head but on KMC Thor's stronger".
Seems reasonable, no?
Originally posted by Damborgson
Characters who surpass tiers of other characters get a heavier weight on interactions. But Gladiator is not in the trans tier like the others mentioned, so he gets to compare feats with the rest of the guys in his class. Just like Thor, Superman, Orion, whoever.The characters get their strength established, then someone like Mangog comes around and beats the living hell out of Thor, and stands up to everything Odin can dish out, we can safely put them in different tiers.
Now, does this mean that character interactions are invalid? Obviously not, and no one is saying That, that matters anyway. But it equally doesnt mean, that feats of strength outside of character interaction dont matter, which is what you're getting called on and that you want to exclude them makes you look like a giant pussy. -shrug-
So are you actually going to accept a legitimate BZ or only one where you can exclude the showings that hurt your argument?
It's nothing but double standards to use one metric against the likes of Thanos and Mangog and other for Gladiator and Hyperion or whoever.
Use one metric like I do. It will save you from being a hypocrite.
