Lobo vs Thor h2h

Originally posted by "Id" I don't look to define the character by variations. The way I look at Lobo is as followed; On average he is a Superman class brawler. Point, blank, period. And thats in the main stream books, making his guest appearance. In his own book his feats/showings escalate into higher highs. But go figure its his own book. Its the same case with many characters including Thor. He routinely jobs more often due the nature of his books, in attempting to portray a humorous scene. Well if your shooting for a humorous book, it comes with the territory. Ask Deadpool, he gets the same treatment.

werent u doing a dr fate respect thread as well? did u stop?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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That at the very least goes both ways.

not nearly as much for thor in straight h2h. with his hammer? sure.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
werent u doing a dr fate respect thread as well? did u stop?

Yup.

Dr. Fate is a pain in the ass, way too many showings to track down.

Ugh.

That reminds me that I have a Dark Beast respect that has all the scans, that I could get my hands on, ready to be posted. But I really was hoping for a username switch before making it.

But guess that won't be happening before Armageddon.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
I personally liked Lobo's showings when he was paid to fight Hal/Carol/Sinestro/Atrocitus/etc.

Yeah, neither Lobo or Atrocitus were fighting for real because it was all a con job but I'd like to see most other Superman class characters roll with it as smoothly as he did.

And he did punk Sinestro.

Given how he's been written to beat team beaters (With Ganthet and Kyle on the team), that's a feat in itself.

Originally posted by leonidas
not nearly as much for thor in straight h2h. with his hammer? sure.

I disagree. Thor's just as strong and probably harder to hurt but Lobo's healing factor balances it out if it doesn't give him the edge.

It isn't in anyway a win guarantee, characters can and have stalemated him in hand to hand before. Sometimes beaten him, Even when a writer has a high end interpretation of his healing factor it happens such as the fight with Strife. His healing factor is uber, no doubt, but it doesn't go that far. Same applies for Wolverine, Hulk, Juggernaut etc. It doesn't make much sense but hey, comics. Thor's stalemated a raging class 100 who has nigh infinite strength potential, invulnerability and an ever increasing healing factor.

Tbh though, I need to re-read Lobo solo runs, I'm slacking on that side, not something I'm fond of in a debate.

Originally posted by cdtm
And he did punk Sinestro.

Given how he's been written to beat team beaters (With Ganthet and Kyle on the team), that's a feat in itself.

His Ferocity: It took the collective might of hell to submit Lobo.

His Durability: Imprisoned in Detention D1, the enchantments that bind Lobo to its prison, will devour any lesser beings, body, and soul. No one, not even Nero (A Skyfater Level Being), can withstand the runespout that contained him years.

Damage Soak: The entire Labyrinth was powered by torturing Lobo for years.

From Reign in Helll (2008). Written by Keith Giffen.

This is by far the truest portrayal of Lobo, since its was written in modern times, by its creator, on a mainstream mini outside of his self title.

No way am I buying that Thor is harder to hurt than Lobo. The fact that Lobo is just as durable as Thor, and factor in his Healing factor. Regardless of the level its operating (which thankfully as of recent, is back to its high levels). More than tips the scales in his favor Durability/Damage soak.

Somewhere along the lines, being an actual immortal that can regenerate from a single drop of blood makes it that much harder to convince any knowledgeable member otherwise.

Originally posted by "Id"
Here is a better one. It was recently revealed that Lobo clone was running around for the past years.

His Ferocity: It took the collective might of hell to submit Lobo.

His Durability: Imprisoned in Detention D1, the enchantments that bind Lobo to its prison, will devour any lesser beings, body, and soul. No one, not even Nero (A Skyfater Level Being), can withstand the runespout that contained him years.

Damage Soak: The entire Labyrinth was powered by torturing Lobo for years.

From Reign in Helll (2008). Written by Keith Giffen.

This is by far the truest portrayal of Lobo, since its was written in modern times, by its creator, on a mainstream mini outside of his self title.

Wait, what?

A Clone?

*did not get a chance to read Reign in Hell yet*

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
Wait, what?

A Clone?

*did not get a chance to read Reign in Hell yet*

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How long has it been a Doppelganger instead of the Real Lobo?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I disagree. Thor's just as strong and probably harder to hurt but Lobo's healing factor balances it out if it doesn't give him the edge.

It isn't in anyway a win guarantee, characters can and have stalemated him in hand to hand before. Sometimes beaten him, Even when a writer has a high end interpretation of his healing factor it happens such as the fight with Strife. His healing factor is uber, no doubt, but it doesn't go that far. Same applies for Wolverine, Hulk, Juggernaut etc. It doesn't make much sense but hey, comics. Thor's stalemated a raging class 100 who has nigh infinite strength potential, invulnerability and an ever increasing healing factor.

Tbh though, I need to re-read Lobo solo runs, I'm slacking on that side, not something I'm fond of in a debate.

well, disagreement makes the forum run. id actually said pretty well everything i would have said re lobo and his ability to be hurt/damage soak. and of course lobo CAN be beaten and has been stalemated. you said thor's showings vary from typical to very high end. i agreed. i disagreed that his h2h showings varied as widely and i stand by that.

basically lobo is as strong as thor imo (or its closest enough to be a meaningless difference) but in this battle his healing factor will net him wins via attrition. can thor win? yes, as i said. but i see lobo taking the majority.

Originally posted by Mr.Mxyzptlk
How long has it been a Doppelganger instead of the Real Lobo?

I like to think as far back as the Lobo that lost to Eclipso possessed Superman, was a clone.

Originally posted by leonidas
well, disagreement makes the forum run. id actually said pretty well everything i would have said re lobo and his ability to be hurt/damage soak. and of course lobo CAN be beaten and has been stalemated. you said thor's showings vary from typical to very high end. i agreed. i disagreed that his h2h showings varied as widely and i stand by that.

basically lobo is as strong as thor imo (or its closest enough to be a meaningless difference) but in this battle his healing factor will net him wins via attrition. can thor win? yes, as i said. but i see lobo taking the majority.

True. I said everything you wanted, what? Confused by that. Lobo has greater disparity between his lows and highs, but you made it seem like his highs are higher than Thor's.

Maybe, I just don't think a healing factor is an auto win and if it were to be written, I doubt that would be the case. Being able to heal from even the most extreme of injuries doesn't mean you can't be knocked out or beaten in comics.

Thor's stalemated an enraged Hulk, a Power Gem tapping Drax, held his own against the Destroyer in extended fights etc. Few characters without healing factors can take beatings like him, I think he has the damage soak and endurance to take a split. If Lobo wins, it's not going to be more than a slight majority imho.

I think Thor will do at least as well as say Strife.

Characters with comparable strength/durability aren't going to be K.O.ed by a single punch. If it comes down to cumulative damage, than you have to give the edge to the person that can recuperate quicker than other.

In Lobo's case, he can heal quicker than Superman can harm him. As said, and shown on panel.

Originally posted by "Id"
No way am I buying that Thor is harder to hurt than Lobo.

Why? Thor's more durable almost by default depending on how much play one trait gets. There's almost always a trade off between damage resistance and a healing factor. The more one is played up, the less play the other gets. Just the nature of the beast.

Originally posted by "Id"
The fact that Lobo is just as durable as Thor, and factor in his Healing factor. Regardless of the level its operating (which thankfully as of recent, is back to its high levels). More than tips the scales in his favor Durability/Damage soak.

Somewhere along the lines, being an actual immortal that can regenerate from a single drop of blood makes it that much harder to convince any knowledgeable member otherwise.

Disagree with that, at least current high end healing Lobo. I could never see Thor suffering injuries of the magnitude that were shown in R.E.B.E.L.S. even if Galactus was blasting the Odinson. I know there are incarnations who have invulnerability on par with Thor's. Any high end incarnation should be able to take a punch nearly as well as Thor though, just easier to bruise most likely. Guess that makes it ultimately irrelevant.

Que? I ain't saying Thor has superior damage soak, Lobo can take a ridiculous amount of injury without a problem.

Yet the Thor lacks the elements, that otherwise hurted Lobo. Simply put Thor cant replicate those scenes through fist pounding.

Pulsar blasted the living crap out of Lobo. Thor may be able to replicate that, but only through his own blasting ability which he lacks in this fight.

But when trading shots between between being of Thor's caliber (Captain Marvel/Superman). You've never seen him sustain that kind of punishment. His invulnerability towards blunt force is just as high.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
True. I said everything you wanted, what? Confused by that. Lobo has greater disparity between his lows and highs, but you made it seem like his highs are higher than Thor's.

no, i was saying his highs in STRAIGHT H2H are higher and vary more widely. thor has high end feats that may be better than lobo's, but his hammer plays an integral role in all those feats. i'm comparing his feats WITHOUT his hammer to lobo's.

Maybe, I just don't think a healing factor is an auto win and if it were to be written, I doubt that would be the case. Being able to heal from even the most extreme of injuries doesn't mean you can't be knocked out or beaten in comics.

i agreed with that already. healing is not auto-win, but when all else is pretty equal between them, the healing is still a very large advantage.

Thor's stalemated an enraged Hulk, a Power Gem tapping Drax, held his own against the Destroyer in extended fights etc. Few characters without healing factors can take beatings like him, I think he has the damage soak and endurance to take a split. If Lobo wins, it's not going to be more than a slight majority imho.

i'll not play the 'list characters each has beaten and who has beaten them' game. lobo has a long and impressive list, and he's got some lower showings as does thor. but most of thor's high end stuff is done via hammer. lobo has no such advantage. but i agree lobo takes a majority, though i'd say 7/10 to your less than that.

Originally posted by leonidas
no, i was saying his highs in STRAIGHT H2H are higher and vary more widely. thor has high end feats that may be better than lobo's, but his hammer plays an integral role in all those feats. i'm comparing his feats WITHOUT his hammer to lobo's.

Exactly what hand to hand showings does Lobo possess that puts him so distinctly above Thor?

Beating on Superman in their first encounter comes to mind but that's as much of an outlier as an injured Thor killing both Hulk and Thing in hand to hand. It's also less impressive.

IIRC, he once temporarily knocked out Captain Marvel with a sucker punch, which is pretty good I guess. On the other hand, Thor did the very same against Abomination who was definitely on that level physically at the time.

And I'm assuming you are aware that unless his charging his hammer with energy attacks or some such, his fists are a suitable substitute most of the time. Even under someone like Simonson. I'd even go so far as to use something like his battle with Dumb Drax despite Mjolnir if for no reason other than he couldn't have taken those punches in such stride if he was physically inferior.

Originally posted by leonidas
i agreed with that already. healing is not auto-win, but when all else is pretty equal between them, the healing is still a very large advantage.

It's really not the advantage you want it to be. Thor would most likely stalemate Lobo in hand to hand if they were to meet up pretending anything more than that is certain is just...well the evidence simply doesn't hold up from what I've seen.

A healing factor doesn't make one infallible. Even when a writer treats it as high end such as his appearances in R.E.B.E.L.S. Strife was still able to stalemate him.

Tbf, in the retconned fight, Lobo said he was healing faster than Superman was hurting him, the trade off however being was the one sided ass kicking.

Originally posted by leonidas
i'll not play the 'list characters each has beaten and who has beaten them' game. lobo has a long and impressive list, and he's got some lower showings as does thor. but most of thor's high end stuff is done via hammer. lobo has no such advantage. but i agree lobo takes a majority, though i'd say 7/10 to your less than that.

Trying to undermine Thor because he uses Mjolnir is silly, after Lee, it's a substitute for his fist on average. Writers have gone out of their way to highlight how dangerous he is without it such as his battles with Loki/Fenris, Juggernaut, Hrinmeer etc.

I'm still not sure what long list of victories Lobo has to put him above Thor.

He'll be lucky to take 6 out of 10.

Reposted, because it's freakin awesome.

Shows how big Lobos rep is, if he's being hired to bring in friggan Despero.

And I defy anyone to post scans of anyone, including Superman, actually trading blows with Despero, much less shrugging off his attacks.

The only one that even comes close is Starro, and that was more Worf Effect than anything.