Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Exactly what hand to hand showings does Lobo possess that puts him so distinctly above Thor?Beating on Superman in their first encounter comes to mind but that's as much of an outlier as an injured Thor killing both Hulk and Thing in hand to hand. It's also less impressive.
IIRC, he once temporarily knocked out Captain Marvel with a sucker punch, which is pretty good I guess. On the other hand, Thor did the very same against Abomination who was definitely on that level physically at the time.
And I'm assuming you are aware that unless his charging his hammer with energy attacks or some such, his fists are a suitable substitute most of the time. Even under someone like Simonson. I'd even go so far as to use something like his battle with Dumb Drax despite Mjolnir if for no reason other than he couldn't have taken those punches in such stride if he was physically inferior.
It's really not the advantage you want it to be. Thor would most likely stalemate Lobo in hand to hand if they were to meet up pretending anything more than that is certain is just...well the evidence simply doesn't hold up from what I've seen.
A healing factor doesn't make one infallible. Even when a writer treats it as high end such as his appearances in R.E.B.E.L.S. Strife was still able to stalemate him.
Tbf, in the retconned fight, Lobo said he was healing faster than Superman was hurting him, the trade off however being was the one sided ass kicking.
Trying to undermine Thor because he uses Mjolnir is silly, after Lee, it's a substitute for his fist on average. Writers have gone out of their way to highlight how dangerous he is without it such as his battles with Loki/Fenris, Juggernaut, Hrinmeer etc.
I'm still not sure what long list of victories Lobo has to put him above Thor.
He'll be lucky to take 6 out of 10.
you hit some of the big ones. his punking of warrior was very impressive as well. his beat down of hal--something i could never see thor doing without his hammer. his punking of jonnz is also impressive and also something i can't see thor doing h2h.
i know--you'll disagree, or believe thor could replicate those feats. alas, my opinion really won't change and i think you know i know thor pretty damn well.
if you seriously want to say thor's fists=his hammer, wellll..... 😬 nothing i can do about that. it's your opinion and that's cool. statements not withstanding, thor's strikes w/hammer>than his fists. no on-panel statement you can produce will change that opinion i'm afraid, so no need for scans. pretty sure if you polled 100 people, 100 would agree, despite statements suggesting otherwise. and i've seen the scans. in THIS particular case, i simply don't put much stock in them. makes no sense imho.
as for the fight--i don't "want" his healing to be.....anything. strength and durability being equal (essentially imo) healing IS an advantage. some of his healing feats are REALLY good. thor would stalemate for a long time, MAY ko him, but the majority of the time i say the healing would allow him to win via attrition. we've also seen lobo's ability to punch at superspeed, another advantage he has over thor. add in the 'illogical' nature of the character at times and welll.....
those things amount to good, tough fights that end in lobo's favour more often than not. least that's how i see it.
Originally posted by cdtmIt is very impressive. I still think Lobo briefly KO'ing Shazam with a single hit is more impressive, though.
Shows how big Lobos rep is, if he's being hired to bring in friggan Despero.And I defy anyone to post scans of anyone, including Superman, actually trading blows with Despero, much less shrugging off his attacks.
The only one that even comes close is Starro, and that was more Worf Effect than anything.
Originally posted by "Id"
I can't give you a date, this one is going to be massive. But this is what I've got so far.
Looks good so far. The first Guy fight is good, but the second one in JLA 58 is even better for 'Bo, and it also has the brief fight with Despero. The Lobo/Guy fight from Guy Gardner 08 also makes Lobo look like an unstoppable juggernaut, with Guy going to such extremes like dumping an entire skyscraper on him, with no effect. And you'll probably want the one from Green Lantern Corps against Jack T. Chance, which I believe was published around Emerald Twilight.
Everyone knows about the Cap fight, so I'm sure you'll get to it, along with his fight in Valor 04. (Where Mon El makes a respectable showing, but is obviously overmatched in a straight fight.)
About time we got a proper Lobo respect thread.
Might want to skip over the Hitman appearance. 😉
Originally posted by cdtm
Looks good so far. The first Guy fight is good, but the second one in JLA 58 is even better for 'Bo, and it also has the brief fight with Despero. The Lobo/Guy fight from Guy Gardner 08 also makes Lobo look like an unstoppable juggernaut, with Guy going to such extremes like dumping an entire skyscraper on him, with no effect. And you'll probably want the one from Green Lantern Corps against Jack T. Chance, which I believe was published around Emerald Twilight.Everyone knows about the Cap fight, so I'm sure you'll get to it, along with his fight in Valor 04. (Where Mon El makes a respectable showing, but is obviously overmatched in a straight fight.)
About time we got a proper Lobo respect thread.
Might want to skip over the Hitman appearance. 😉
I think I am going to add this.
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/2963/legion2514.jpg
http://img803.imageshack.us/img803/4544/legion2515.jpg
Lobo told the Khund if he messed it up, he would rip his head off.
The Khund dicked around.
Lobo kept his promise.
peaches
Originally posted by "Id"
Oh yeah, I will get around to adding all the good stuff. And thanks.
Np. 😄
Also, somewhere there's some writing that retcons Lobo losing to Dox as this heavy metal constantly being broadcast into his brain being interrupted that day. 😄
Hell, it did look less like Lobo was beaten down, and more like he just fell asleep at the end.
