Originally posted by abhilegend
So you don't read or care about DC characters yet you are arguing against them, figures.
I never said that I don't read about DC characters. I'm currently following many of the DCnU on-goings and I was reading DC comics in the past, I just prefer Marvel more, because of the stories and the events.
And I never said that I don't care about DC characters. I just said, that I didn't care about you talking about Kyle in a thread without any DC characters at all. It was mainly about Sentry and the Annihilators.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Tell me what's realistic about marvel, that a human with an extra gene can create a universe or a normal human being can become a creature of infinite strength by a nuclear bomb or a guy can have power of a million exploding suns by drinking a serum.
Reality warping powers are not the speed force. You know that.
Having reality warping as a power set is something different then trying to explain something with logic, yet ignoric physics, basically something the Flash is doing on a regular basis.
The idea behind the Hulk isn't that terrible. A person with a lot of adrenaline, becomes physically stronger, that's a fact, since the mind sets out and more strenght gets released.
Of course being actually the Hulk is unbelievable, mainly also because of the physics, but there are other DC characters who top that by a large margin.
Sentry is awesome and through the molecular manipulation it's still slightly more believable then being an alien, who has heat vision and x-ray vision, which can't see through one specific kind of metal, but through everything else.
Originally posted by abhilegend
surfer has owned hulk in every fight they had even taking his angry punches casually while thor has always got better of surfer while he always struggled with hulk.
Hulk is not the Silver Surfer and Hulk is also not the Sentry. A stable Sentry also took Hulk's hits without even bothering and overpowered him mentally (not really something what happened to the Hulk that often).
A Sentry in control of his powers would overpower Thor aswell. It has been portrayed that way, unfortunately two of their meetings were in What If's (while many people want to see the second What If as canon, because Uatu was there, talking to the Watcher of the different reality and hinted out that something like that was very, very possible in his own reality aswell).
Their canon meeting was during the Siege and there Thor didn't really stand a chance.
There is a longer debate about that in the "Sentry VS Annihilators" thread.
Based by the overall feats, the Sentry wouldn't even be able to hit the Silver Surfer once, but based by the ABC logic around the Sentry and his showings, he would be more then a match for the Surfer, if he was already vastly more powerful then Thor.
Originally posted by abhilegend
ABC logic doesn't hold true in most cases.
That's true but in this case it does.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So he doesn't have any feat on superman's level but we give him win, why? He has some energy manipulation so we forget superman's feats in that area and believe that sentry would suck solar energy from him. Same with other things like matter manipulation, super strength etc.
Thor would offer Superman a damn good run for his money, while Sentry is supposed to be the superior character, and he was, even though he lacks feats.
Let me tell you this, if you read until this point and it will also spare you further reading:
If you want me to state the outcome by the amount of high end feats and so on, then I will not deny that Superman, Thor and Silver Surfer would beat the Sentry, but if you're not narrow-minded and open for an implied power level, which has also been showcased by the Sentry in the past by beating the Void multiple times, when being stable, then you too should understand that he was written to be a superior character at the beginning. That changed when Bendis took over, but it also changed when Bendis was done with the Sentry, Jenkins wrote the final issue and retconned the character back again (actually from a retcon which never happened, since Sentry always had his powerlevel. No one ever took away his powers and no one ever gave him new extra powers - when he came back from the dead, it was because that was the first time where he actually died, since his durability wasn't that high, because of his illness).
Originally posted by abhilegend
So basically if we allow all of sentry's high end feats while discard all of his low end feats and discard superman's high end feats and use only low end feats, that's how we should judge superman or thor or anyone else vs sentry. WOW.
Sentry does not have low feats, why don't you understand that? What is a low feat for you? The instance where he got outskilled by Hercules?
Sentry wasn't even trying and even if so, Hercules has centuries of fighting experience. He outskilled Thor and forced him to cheat to get out of Hercules grip and Hercules out also outskill Superman. Yet in the same fight you could say, that Sentry was doing quite good, when he punched Hercules and used one fist, while Hercules had to support his arm with his other hand to hold the Sentry back. Then he kicked him into the balls and sank a ship, to distract Sentry, who then flew with the sinking ship up.
What other instances? The one where he got stopped by WW Hulk, even though he had the upper hand and that was clearly showcased during the entire fight? Yeah...
Or where he stalemated the Collective?
I know I already said that so many times, but these low showings where were he was in a weak state. It's not a low showing, if the writers use his weakness to give the enemies a fighting chance.
What other instances? Where Human Torch overloaded him and forced the Sentry to fly away? That was actually huge PIS, a huge plot device to remove the Sentry as fast as possible from the battlefield.
What's the point anyways in having him there, since he would have been able to solo them all in few seconds?
Judging by his powerset he should have never been force to flee, just because of a little bit fire.
