The Sentry vs Superman

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
And no, molecules are NOT made of photons, or solar wind...

Solar wind > Photons and neutrons > Atoms > Molecules, or am I totally wrong right now o_O It's few years back since I had something like that in school.

I know that people could think that someone who controles the molecules, is only limited to the molecules and can't tap further and deconstruct them too, but many of the matter manipulators should be basically doing exactly the same thing. For example the Molecule Man, who was creating things out of nothing, so that you could actually think that he was reality warping the stuff.
A reality warper should always easily defeat a molecule manipulators, yet he had some good fights with the Beyonder.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]Solar wind > Photons and neutrons > Atoms > Molecules, or am I totally wrong right now o_O It's few years back since I had something like that in school.

Yup, you're totally wrong atm..

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Yup, you're totally wrong atm..

What are molecules made of?
Most things around us are made of groups of atoms bonded together into packages called molecules.

What are atoms made of?
Atoms mainly they consist of protons, electrons, and neutrons.

o_______________ô

Originally posted by Enzeru
[b]What are molecules made of?
Most things around us are made of groups of atoms bonded together into packages called molecules.

What are atoms made of?
Atoms mainly they consist of protons, electrons, and neutrons.

o_______________ô [/B]

So....where does solar wind and photons come into your copy and paste?

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
So....where does solar wind and photons come into your copy and paste?

Damn, why are we talking about science, when we're dealing with comics? The next question will be something about the ridiculous speed-force 😘

However, photons too have to do something with the atoms. Sentry can also manipulate light. I could even go as far to say, that his molecule manipulation is linked to light, but that would be way too much know-how for me to learn about, so I'm simply calling it basic matter manipulation.

However, if you're interested in the SOLAR wind > photon > atom > molecules stuff... even the title says it all:

http://www.phys.ens.fr/~Claude%20Cohen-Tannoudji/articles/rev-modern-phys/rmv-juillet-1998-p707.pdf

Originally posted by Enzeru
Damn, why are we talking about science, when we're dealing with comics? The next question will be something about the ridiculous speed-force 😘

However, photons too have to do something with the atoms. Sentry can also manipulate light. I could even go as far to say, that his molecule manipulation is linked to light, but that would be way too much know-how for me to learn about, so I'm simply calling it basic matter manipulation.

However, if you're interested in the SOLAR wind > photon > atom > molecules stuff... even the title says it all:

http://www.phys.ens.fr/~Claude%20Cohen-Tannoudji/articles/rev-modern-phys/rmv-juillet-1998-p707.pdf

No no no. I just wanted to clear this up, then we can go back to debating comics.

Solar winds are NOT a separate entity. They are made up of electrons and protons etc.

Photons are NOT a component of atoms.

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
No no no. I just wanted to clear this up, then we can go back to debating comics.
Solar winds are NOT a separate entity. They are made up of electrons and protons etc.
Photons are NOT a component of atoms.

That's true, but I never stated something else. You came up with the fact that Sentry was talking about photons instead of protons, but photons are light based and they can be used to manipulate atoms, and therefore molecules. Sentry manipulates light and the radiation to turn invisible and it looks like he manipulates light to manipulate the molecules.

Damn, I'm tired and off for today. AUFWIEDERSEHEN!

Originally posted by Enzeru
That's true, but I never stated something else.

Yes you did; try reading what you actually type. Here, I'll quote you:

Molecules are made out of atoms, photons, neutrons, solar wind. And that's what happens when Sentry comes back from the dead.

Whilst you may not have said atoms are made out of photons, you DID say that molecules are made out of photons. Which is equally wrong; photons don't make up anything other than light.

Reason why I'm on your back about this is because, whilst I admit I am not the expert on the Sentry (that seems to be you), the fact that you can't get basic scientific facts correct leads me to question your interpretation of comic book fiction.

Bob's powers are what he feels or imagines them to be. On any given day he might beat Superman, or not. I don't think you could really say in the abstract, it would always come down to specifics.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Bob's powers are what he feels or imagines them to be. On any given day he might beat Superman, or not. I don't think you could really say in the abstract, it would always come down to specifics.

I agree with this...that is why void is so powerful...its all just his state of mind

Originally posted by Enzeru
Damn, why are we talking about science, when we're dealing with comics? The next question will be something about the ridiculous speed-force 😘

However, photons too have to do something with the atoms. Sentry can also manipulate light. I could even go as far to say, that his molecule manipulation is linked to light, but that would be way too much know-how for me to learn about, so I'm simply calling it basic matter manipulation.

However, if you're interested in the SOLAR wind > photon > atom > molecules stuff... even the title says it all:

http://www.phys.ens.fr/~Claude%20Cohen-Tannoudji/articles/rev-modern-phys/rmv-juillet-1998-p707.pdf

Originally posted by Uriel005
Mostly back it up with numbers because people try to put off feats as no big deal. So when an actual number crunch comes in it's more to shut people up about trying to say a feat doesn't mean anything. Besides speed and strength are some of the few things in comics that can be given any type of definitive number. You can approximately mass a planet/amount of strength it would take for a lifting/strength feat. Similarly to speed where you can at least try to assign a definitive number to rank a character. Unlike magic or cosmic abilities where I just kinda have to twiddle my thumbs and take a crapshoot guess on how much mystical energy it takes a sorceror/ess to trash a planet as because no one including the writers has anything they can compare their capabilities to.

I understand, but much like when h1a8 tries to use maths, it kinda crumbles and falls over, which leads me to suspect that if his understanding of real world physics is suspect, or even worse, that he twists real world physics to suit his own theories, what more to say something like a comic book which is open to interpretation...

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I understand, but much like when h1a8 tries to use maths, it kinda crumbles and falls over, which leads me to suspect that if his understanding of real world physics is suspect, or even worse, that he twists real world physics to suit his own theories, what more to say something like a comic book which is open to interpretation...

You're acting like what I've said was totally wrong. Forget about the damn protons. I didn't pay attention, when I used copy/paste.
The fact is that atoms can be manipulated with photons (light) and Sentry is able to manipulate the light, therefore he manipulates the molecules and that's what is stated in his fight against the Absorbing Man.

Originally posted by Enzeru
You're acting like what I've said was totally wrong. Forget about the damn protons. I didn't pay attention, when I used copy/paste.
The fact is that atoms can be manipulated with photons (light) and Sentry is able to manipulate the light, therefore he manipulates the molecules and that's what is stated in his fight against the Absorbing Man.

^ No wonder that few people here don't take you serious >:-]

Originally posted by abhilegend
That's the most absurd thing I've ever heard including h1a8's math. So because dr light can manipulate light(duh) or magneto and dr polaris can manipulate entire EM spectrum, they can suddenly do matter manipulation too. Or if element lad can manipulate matter he can manipulate energy too. Unless it was specificaly said that he was matter manipulating, you're seriously reaching here but IT'S YOU so maybe not.

try reading the second dark avengers arc; it was the molecule man himself who asked the sentry (in a distressed way) how he was able to control molecules.

that not good enough for you?

Don't look for any sort of rigorous consistency to the Sentry's powers. They're all a manifestation of what Bob imagines The Golden Guardian of Good ought to be like. He's all the jokes about Silver Age Supes made manifest.

Ultimately, any ideas about photosynthesis, or being one second out of sync with the universe, or the Totally-Not-The-Anti-Monitor thing from Age of the Sentry, or manipulating molecules, or whatever are all dross. Robert just hangs his fantasy on whatever happens to sound good at that moment.

Originally posted by wildernesss
try reading the second dark avengers arc; it was the molecule man himself who asked the sentry (in a distressed way) how he was able to control molecules.
that not good enough for you?

That is actually a damn good point.

Originally posted by Enzeru
^ No wonder that few people here don't take you serious >:-]

You think people take you seriously here. 😂 . Keep going where you are going with your "stable sentry" and you would join the same special position that carver and quanchi hold here.

Originally posted by wildernesss
try reading the second dark avengers arc; it was the molecule man himself who asked the sentry (in a distressed way) how he was able to control molecules.

that not good enough for you?

I've read it thank you very much. That's as much of an outlier feat for sentry as superman singing darkseid out of existence or thor breaking Exitar's armor. By mod ruling it is not usable for normal sentry.

Originally posted by abhilegend
You think people take you seriously here. 😂 . Keep going where you are going with your "stable sentry" and you would join the same special position that carver and quanchi hold here.

I actually debate and bring in valid points, no matter if you don't take them seriously. You are just like the other guy from India I met on Comicvine. Most of your posts have some kind of trolling in them and that's pathetic.

Originally posted by abhilegend
I've read it thank you very much. That's as much of an outlier feat for sentry as superman singing darkseid out of existence or thor breaking Exitar's armor. By mod ruling it is not usable for normal sentry.

The normal Sentry displayed more power then the Siege Sentry, so what does it matter?
The normal Sentry was shredding worlds while holding back and when no one was near, his power release was visible in the regular world, even though he himself was in a microverse.
So overpowering Thor with sheer strenght isn't the top showing for the Sentry when it comes to something like that.