Magnus the Red (40k) vs. Sora, Riku, and Xemnas (KH)

Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd say definitely.

Hell, in the First Heretic, Argel Tal has an arguable lightning-timing feat, he is a Space Marine.

He was unable to see Lorgar, his Primarch, when he moved like thirty feet and struck Guilliman, another Primarch. Lorgar it should be noted is a massive pansy in physical combat at that moment.

You'll need more than an arguable feat. Sometimes there are plain goofs in terms of capabilities. Going from bullet-timer to lightning-timer is a hell of a jump.

But I can see that Spaec Mahreens are pretty fast. So I'm not gonna argue a hypersonic status.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Not seeing what makes it capable of injuring Magnus.

But beyond that, your bog-standard Marine and Primarch has two hearts, with MAgnus having a more exotic biology (For instance, he lacks lungs apparently).

What, are you arguing that Magnus' heart is literally too durable to be pierced? It doesn't matter. Gae Bolg literally rewrites causality so that the cause is 'the heart is pierced' and the effect is thrusting the spear. Even if it should be impossible, it'll pierce it. Unless Magnus' heart has shown resistence to high-level reality warping (that sounds pretty high level to me) then I'm guessing it can pierce him.

Well its not as if Gilgamesh can only strike once.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Technically he can do both.

He is both the most powerful psyker short of the Emperor, and the greatest sorcerer in the setting (Arguably the Emperor also uses sorcery).

I was more asking specifically about the time-stop, cuz Gilgamesh can reflect magic.

Originally posted by Nephthys
You'll need more than an arguable feat. Sometimes there are plain goofs in terms of capabilities. Going from bullet-timer to lightning-timer is a hell of a jump.

But I can see that Spaec Mahreens are pretty fast. So I'm not gonna argue a hypersonic status.

Well, I say arguable, because it does seem like a pretty big outlier.

I'd argue Space Marines are easily capable of being hypersonic. Argel Tal also swatted bolter rounds out of the air with his swords, and he had to move towards their path to do it, so yeah, decent feat.

What, are you arguing that Magnus' heart is literally too durable to be pierced? It doesn't matter. Gae Bolg literally rewrites causality so that the cause is 'the heart is pierced' and the effect is thrusting the spear. Even if it should be impossible, it'll pierce it. Unless Magnus' heart has shown resistence to high-level reality warping (that sounds pretty high level to me) then I'm guessing it can pierce him.

Well its not as if Gilgamesh can only strike once.

Magnus can manipulate the fabric of reality as well, and has destroyed more than a city-sized dimension doing it. He can also kill you by looking at you, as in, your eyes meet and then you die. He did this simultaneously to dozens of Space Wolves.

As for resistance to reality warping, he grew too strong to be corrupted and warped by Chaos unwillingly, which forced them to set their eyes on Horus. Magnus was to be their first choice. Psykers in general can warp reality to varying extents, and Magnus can cancel out most of their powers (His mere psychic aura, unrestrained due to fury, nearly killed Ahriman before Magnus regained his composure, Ahriman is one of the most powerful psykers in the galaxy, capable of tearing apart the veil between the Warp and Materium and summoning a Warp Leviathan, for an example of a feat).

Magnus needs to stop time only once. O:

I was more asking specifically about the time-stop, cuz Gilgamesh can reflect magic.

Well time stop was probably psychic, since he did not appear to be using sorcery to do it (Rituals, pacts, etc), did it casually, and slowing or halting the flow of time is listed as a psychic power in a few sources (Dark Heresy is one).

The more I hear about this guy the stupider he seems.

I'll reply later. Can't be asked atm.

Wait, I've someone who can beat Magnus: Caine, from Vampire the Masquerade.

Caine's Abilities: You Lose.

ha-som

Originally posted by Nephthys
The more I hear about this guy the stupider he seems.

I'll reply later. Can't be asked atm.

All the Primarchs are.

Don't ***** just because he does demigodlike things. estahuh

I'd imagine Goku would beat him.

Not a game character but whatever.

No I mean the way you're describing him as basically 'the smartest, stronger guy evar who is also the best sorcerer and the best psyker and can use his psyker abilities to totally own ever1 else in fights and blow up a Titan with his mind and is faster than everyone else etc etc.'

Basically he sounds like wank incarnate.

Originally posted by Nephthys
No I mean the way you're describing him as basically 'the smartest, stronger guy evar who is also the best sorcerer and the best psyker and can use his psyker abilities to totally own ever1 else in fights and blow up a Titan with his mind and is faster than everyone else etc etc.'

Basically he sounds like wank incarnate.

Well no.

The Emperor is more powerful than Magnus, in all ways.

Ferrus Manus and Vulkan are physically stronger.

Angron, Sanguinius, Horus, and maybe Leman Russ are better fighters.

Alpharius is more cunning.

Relative speeds between the Primarchs is harder to say, but I'd say Fulgrim and Lion El'Jonson are superior to him in that regard.

This is just among his family. Magnus is the most intelligent primarch and the strongest psyker among them, yes, but that's also his niche, where he excels relative to the rest.

As for being "stronger" than Horus, shit, take it up with Tzeentch, not me, he's the one who said it. And really, that's mostly due to, once again, being the most powerful psyker of the Primarchs. That is the only area he is greater than all others in. Strength, speed, durability, fighting ability, etc, others among his brothers outstrip him.

Edit: Oh yeah, and there is also the fact that, the main purpose of his story is to show that, for all his power, he is and always has been but a pawn to Tzeentch, never in control of his own fate.

He's certainly better written than anyone in Persona, for example. 131

I'm not actually serious.

Since I've never played a Persona game.

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What do you mean?

There has to be much weaker Tabletop characters to put in play, I like how as soon as TT is allowed all we really see is the very top tier.

Carnifexes are very top tier?

Thier more med but still pretty strong, theres a wealth of lesser forces to use. The fact we already have a Titan, Magnus and a Ctan is a bit pointless though.

Hey.

That Nightbringer vs. Kuja thread never should of been made.

I'll give you that.

I am busy thinking of a peak humanish fight at the moment.

Commissar Yarrick vs. Solid Snake maybe.

Yarrick would rape him. haermm Ghaz, GHAZ.

What about that guy from Asura's Wrath? I've heard he's pretty l33t.

Against Magnus? pfff