Red Hulk vs Colossus (Cyttorak)

Originally posted by Horrificus
Because, all past history shows that Piotr isn't even the personality type that would be able to capitalize on the Cyttorak power, and definitely should not end up with "uber-cyttorak-power".

And, it is pretty obvious that X-titles love to take even their lowliest characters, ignore continuity and have them end up ruling their own universe, defeating gods, besting high-level characters, etc.

Piotr having the Cy-power is just a ploy to give the X-titles a top+tier brick. Regardless of how it effects the rest of the books.

They want the x-books to have a "Thor", or a "Hulk", or a "Silver Surfer".

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Except it makes perfect sense. What greater amusement is there for any Elder demon God then corrupting a pure soul. Mephisto gets his kicks from it. Gillen has done wonders with this Colossus storyline.

They already have characters that can solo Thor, Hulk and Surfer ahem Legion. If anything they try to write out those characters.

Gillen has done an amazing job.

BTW Losing to Unit isn't a bad feat, not if you know what Unit is.

http://www.formspring.me/KieronGillen/q/315069086507742519

Also that blacked out image on the 4th issue of AvX Vs isn't Storm. It's someone with the Phoenix Force. If you zoom in on the cover you'll see it looks nothing like Storm.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Also, it's pretty clear that regular Colossus could never hope to take on Rulk, Romita just didn't draw a helmet.

Actually it's not. Colossus wanted Rulk to knock him unconscious because of the thoughts he was having. He had the urge to smash the pillar but snapped out of it and had Rulk knock him out so he wouldn't be tempted. He was appeasing Cytorrak by letting Rulk knock him out.

The beatdown Colossusnaut gave to Rulk really resembles the one Zeus gave to Hulk

it must of been Drawn by the same person

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Except it makes perfect sense. What greater amusement is there for any Elder demon God then corrupting a pure soul. Mephisto gets his kicks from it. Gillen has done wonders with this Colossus storyline.

They already have characters that can solo Thor, Hulk and Surfer ahem Legion. If anything they try to write out those characters.

Gillen has done an amazing job.

BTW Losing to Unit isn't a bad feat, not if you know what Unit is.

http://www.formspring.me/KieronGillen/q/315069086507742519

Also that blacked out image on the 4th issue of AvX Vs isn't Storm. It's someone with the Phoenix Force. If you zoom in on the cover you'll see it looks nothing like Storm.

Cyttorak wants only a person that will flaunt his power, without restraint or consideration, only power for power's sake.

All he cares about is the advertisement. ANYTHING that stands in the way of that, guilt, restraint, goodness, etc, is considered unacceptable to Cyttorak.

For Piotr to become the Juggernaut is a slap in the face to decades of continuity.

For him to be utilizing it to such a high degree is simply retarded.

I called it months ago. I knew it would be handled this way.

We should just be glad that the writers haven't been ordered to give Colossus full reign over Cyttorak, or a hell-dimension, or the 616.

But, I'm sure it's right around the corner...

In the X-titles, everybody gets a turn ruling a universe! 🙄

Originally posted by Horrificus
Except that Cyttorak does not corrupt innocent souls. That's not his "thing". And, they all have a "thing".

Cyttorak wants only a person that will flaunt his power, without restraint or consideration, only power for power's sake.

All he cares about is the advertisement. ANYTHING that stands in the way of that, guilt, restraint, goodness, etc, is considered unacceptable to Cyttorak.

For Piotr to become the Juggernaut is a slap in the face to decades of continuity.

For him to be utilizing it to such a high degree is simply retarded.

I called it months ago. I knew it would be handled this way.

We should just be glad that the writers haven't been ordered to give Colossus full reign over Cyttorak, or a hell-dimension, or the 616.

But, I'm sure it's right around the corner...

In the X-titles, everybody gets a turn ruling a universe! 🙄

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Originally posted by CosmicComet
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Please try the veal and remember to tip your waitresses.

H out.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Except that Cyttorak does not corrupt innocent souls. That's not his "thing". And, they all have a "thing".

Cyttorak wants only a person that will flaunt his power, without restraint or consideration, only power for power's sake.

All he cares about is the advertisement. ANYTHING that stands in the way of that, guilt, restraint, goodness, etc, is considered unacceptable to Cyttorak.

For Piotr to become the Juggernaut is a slap in the face to decades of continuity.

For him to be utilizing it to such a high degree is simply retarded.

I called it months ago. I knew it would be handled this way.

We should just be glad that the writers haven't been ordered to give Colossus full reign over Cyttorak, or a hell-dimension, or the 616.

But, I'm sure it's right around the corner...

In the X-titles, everybody gets a turn ruling a universe! 🙄

I don't even mess with the x titles. They were good up till the mid 90s.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Except that Cyttorak does not corrupt innocent souls. That's not his "thing". And, they all have a "thing".

Cyttorak wants only a person that will flaunt his power, without restraint or consideration, only power for power's sake.

All he cares about is the advertisement. ANYTHING that stands in the way of that, guilt, restraint, goodness, etc, is considered unacceptable to Cyttorak.

For Piotr to become the Juggernaut is a slap in the face to decades of continuity.

For him to be utilizing it to such a high degree is simply retarded.

I called it months ago. I knew it would be handled this way.

We should just be glad that the writers haven't been ordered to give Colossus full reign over Cyttorak, or a hell-dimension, or the 616.

But, I'm sure it's right around the corner...

In the X-titles, everybody gets a turn ruling a universe! 🙄

Heh heh heh

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Originally posted by Sabro
The beatdown Colossusnaut gave to Rulk really resembles the one Zeus gave to Hulk

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
it must of been Drawn by the same person

Jesus

Also lol at "Juggernaut's" durability.

Originally posted by Horrificus
Except that Cyttorak does not corrupt innocent souls. That's not his "thing". And, they all have a "thing".

Cyttorak wants only a person that will flaunt his power, without restraint or consideration, only power for power's sake.

All he cares about is the advertisement. ANYTHING that stands in the way of that, guilt, restraint, goodness, etc, is considered unacceptable to Cyttorak.

For Piotr to become the Juggernaut is a slap in the face to decades of continuity.

For him to be utilizing it to such a high degree is simply retarded.

I called it months ago. I knew it would be handled this way.

We should just be glad that the writers haven't been ordered to give Colossus full reign over Cyttorak, or a hell-dimension, or the 616.

But, I'm sure it's right around the corner...

In the X-titles, everybody gets a turn ruling a universe! 🙄

Actually you're wrong because as it stands Xavier was intended to be the original Juggernaut not Cain Marko. Cytorrak doesn't need anyone to flaunt his power. He wants someone to cause destruction in his name. Which is why he was perfectly content with Piotrs blood being spilled.

The power of Cytorrak effects everyone differently. And Piotr not only has magic-proof armour but he also has a stronger will then Cain and is much, much smarter. Not to mention Cain had human strength and durability that was amped. Colossus is superhuman + the amp. And Unlike Marko, his rage is purer. Marko was just some kid who was beaten by his dad, Pietros anger steps from all that he's lost against his fight for Xavier's dream.

Cain at the end of the day was just a bully, in it for petty crime and lacked imagination which is why Cytorraks enchantement effected him in such a banal way. Piotr is an artist. Every battle is a unique master piece in itself. Far more complex and a greater feat of worship then anything Cain has done.

Besides Cyttoraks thought Marko was a failure and has move on to better things. Gillen has done wonders for it considering Austen already destroyed any shred of dignity the Huggernaut had left.

BTW They all corrupt innocent souls. They all claim to be the "real primodial devil" see JIM Souls & Faith/Belief = Power. Cyttorak was pissed that Cain was the one who touched the gem and not Xavier.

Edit.

Colossus is supposed to be a Juggernaut but his durability hasn't looked great. Baseline Rulk took more hits than mutated Colossus who is more powerful than his Juggernaut form.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
Colossus is supposed to be a Juggernaut but his durability hasn't looked great. Baseline Rulk took more hits than mutated Colossus who is more powerful than his Juggernaut form.

Actually i think Colossus was powering down when Rulk ko'ed him. He saw that he was about to break the pillar and controlled the bloodlust and fought Cyttorak's influence and powered down. Pretty sure that was the writers intent. It's just that people look at all the details in vs forums from number of punches taken etc...hell, regular Colossus was taking punches and stalemating rulk for awhile...

Regular juggernaut/Colossus took lightning, punches and hammer strikes from Kuurth and kept going. It wouldn't make any sense for demon Colossus to have less durability then regular helmet wearing Colossus.

It's just Land drawing him slowly powering down. It doesn't make sense either that Colossus now bleeds since he touched the gem. It's more the artists fault for not researching on the character..actually its marvel editorials fault. Just like feral scratching Cain, that never should have happend.

Pretty sure, demon Colossus > then Rulk or serpent only powered Kuurth.

Originally posted by nwg202
Actually i think Colossus was powering down when Rulk ko'ed him. He saw that he was about to break the pillar and controlled the bloodlust and fought Cyttorak's influence and powered down. Pretty sure that was the writers intent. It's just that people look at all the details in vs forums from number of punches taken etc...

Regular juggernaut/Colossus took lightning, punches and hammer strikes from Kuurth and kept going. It wouldn't make any sense for demon Colossus to have less durability then regular helmet wearing Colossus.

It's just Land drawing him slowly powering down. It doesn't make sense either that Colossus now bleeds since he touched the gem. It's more the artists fault for not researching on the character..actually its marvel editorials fault. Just like feral scratching Cain, that never should have happend.

Originally posted by The Sorrow
It's possible but Colossus was still mutated, the first time he did this and powered down he reverted back to his normal form iirc. Plus I don't see regular Colossus taking punches from a pissed Rulk and asking for more when Red Hulk is as strong, if not stronger than someone like Thor.

Well, in avx 2 he got smashed from behind and was tangling with Rulk for quite some time. the next time we saw them was in uncanny x-men 11 when they were in the water. Like i said, in comics consistency is really hard to gauge especially when you look strictly at the art. I'm just trying to look at it with common sense.

rulk>then normal colosus, rulk=helmet colossus( maybe i dunno...) rulk<demon Colossus. I mean rulk got owned by worth thing, Colossus vs kuurth was either a victory or a draw depending on how you look at it. If you look at it from the art side you would think Colossus was creaming Kuurth. but a lot of people disagree with that assumption. If demon colossus is just a little stronger or just as strong as regular cyttorak colossus what is the point of him going into demon mode? like i said Colossus isn't supposed to bleed. Now that he touched the gem he bleeds all the time. It's artistic errors all over the place imo.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually you're wrong because as it stands Xavier was intended to be the original Juggernaut not Cain Marko. Cytorrak doesn't need anyone to flaunt his power. He wants someone to cause destruction in his name. Which is why he was perfectly content with Piotrs blood being spilled.

The power of Cytorrak effects everyone differently. And Piotr not only has magic-proof armour but he also has a stronger will then Cain and is much, much smarter. Not to mention Cain had human strength and durability that was amped. Colossus is superhuman + the amp. And Unlike Marko, his rage is purer. Marko was just some kid who was beaten by his dad, Pietros anger steps from all that he's lost against his fight for Xavier's dream.

Cain at the end of the day was just a bully, in it for petty crime and lacked imagination which is why Cytorraks enchantement effected him in such a banal way. Piotr is an artist. Every battle is a unique master piece in itself. Far more complex and a greater feat of worship then anything Cain has done.

Besides Cyttoraks thought Marko was a failure and has move on to better things. Gillen has done wonders for it considering Austen already destroyed any shred of dignity the Huggernaut had left.

BTW They all corrupt innocent souls. They all claim to be the "real primodial devil" see JIM Souls & Faith/Belief = Power. Cyttorak was pissed that Cain was the one who touched the gem and not Xavier.

And no, Cyttorak has never showed the slightest interest in "innocent souls".

I am guessing that you are one of the few who were excited about Piotr getting the "crimson".

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Actually it's not. Colossus wanted Rulk to knock him unconscious because of the thoughts he was having. He had the urge to smash the pillar but snapped out of it and had Rulk knock him out so he wouldn't be tempted. He was appeasing Cytorrak by letting Rulk knock him out.

Bingo. Regular colossus actually screamed at rulk to hit him harder. Rulk was no match for full bore juggy mode

Originally posted by nwg202
Well, in avx 2 he got smashed from behind and was tangling with Rulk for quite some time. the next time we saw them was in uncanny x-men 11 when they were in the water. Like i said, in comics consistency is really hard to gauge especially when you look strictly at the art. I'm just trying to look at it with common sense.

rulk>then normal colosus, rulk=helmet colossus( maybe i dunno...) rulk<demon Colossus. I mean rulk got owned by worth thing, Colossus vs kuurth was either a victory or a draw depending on how you look at it. If you look at it from the art side you would think Colossus was creaming Kuurth. If demon colossus is just a little stronger or just as strong as regular cyttorak colossus what is the point of him going into demon mode?

I guess the upcoming months will shed more light on this new form but to me it just seemed as though Colossus saw sense and stopped fighting, allowing Rulk to beat him down not that he depowered himself *shrug*