Originally posted by The Sorrow
Removing his helmet/hood =/= Colossus powering down
if only you knew what you were talking about,
Originally posted by steve2275
Originally posted by Colossus-Big CHeals instantly when he calls upon his juggernaut enchantment
Colossus is immortal if he wishes to be, he can get hurt or K.O if he also allows it.
The fact is that Colostonaut (get it? a combination of colostomy and Juggernaut! hehe, funny, right?), anyway, he sucks.
If Cyttorak was really watching, he would have yanked those powers asap.
Sissy whiner, throwin' the fight, just to save a lot of stupid lives.
Maybe Piotr should see if the God of Artsy-Fartsy is looking for an Avatar. 😛
Or, perhaps the Dark Lord of the Weeping-Hugs Dimension needs somebody to spread the word. 🙄
He's a big, metal girl.
Bender is Great!
Originally posted by Horrificus
"Purer rage"?
Piotr having a stronger will?
Piotr being an artist?
His battles are unique master pieces? What?! When?! Where?! Who?! How?! Why?! 😕
Feats of worship?
I don't know where to start...And no, Cyttorak has never showed the slightest interest in "innocent souls".
I am guessing that you are one of the few who were excited about Piotr getting the "crimson".
You should start trying to actually understand what is being written instead of focusing on feats. Feats are superficial.
As for your questions:
- X-Men by Joss Whedon.
- Piotr is an artist since his inception. If you read Fear Itself you'll see how he describes his fight with the Breaker or Stone or whatever that guys name is. It was his masterpiece. In this issue his line after spilling Rulks blood "I always wanted to use watercolours".
Kieron Gillen has masterfully crafted a story that shows what an idiot Colossus is. His entire snikt is self sacrifice...and it has basically turned into his death wish.
I've never liked Colossus until now. I'm completely shocked that Gillen has finally managed to turn this obsession he has with self sacrifice into a viable and interesting story.
All Demon Gods/Gods care about souls. It's a source of power. This stems back all the way to Secret Wars II. Belief and "advertising is another source of power.
Originally posted by -K-M-
We saw Rulk hurt Juggernaut with his 'super heated thumbs' and that's what prompted the demon form change.
I don't think he was hurt and if he was hurt I don't think he was tapping into the power. The captions say he was trying to supress his urge to kill Rulk. Rulk was making it difficult to surpress those urges by attacking him.
And it's pretty clear that Colossus powered down. Those panels are dynamic. Not only did he shrink down in those consequetive panels but he was slowly shedding his army.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
I don't think he was hurt and if he was hurt I don't think he was tapping into the power. The captions say he was trying to supress his urge to kill Rulk. Rulk was making it difficult to surpress those urges by attacking him.And it's pretty clear that Colossus powered down. Those panels are dynamic. Not only did he shrink down in those consequetive panels but he was slowly shedding his army.
He let out a scream, and in the next panel he was grabbing his head. He was hurt.
Yeah I agree with you with the second part.
Originally posted by ExodusCloakBy "understanding what is being written", I would imagine you mean that I should read between the lines, find the deeper meaning behind a panel, comprehend the information behind the poetic type on a page, etc.
You should start trying to actually understand what is being written instead of focusing on feats. Feats are superficial.As for your questions:
- X-Men by Joss Whedon.
- Piotr is an artist since his inception. If you read Fear Itself you'll see how he describes his fight with the Breaker or Stone or whatever that guys name is. It was his masterpiece. In this issue his line after spilling Rulks blood "I always wanted to use watercolours".Kieron Gillen has masterfully crafted a story that shows what an idiot Colossus is. His entire snikt is self sacrifice...and it has basically turned into his death wish.
I've never liked Colossus until now. I'm completely shocked that Gillen has finally managed to turn this obsession he has with self sacrifice into a viable and interesting story.
All Demon Gods/Gods care about souls. It's a source of power. This stems back all the way to Secret Wars II. Belief and "advertising is another source of power.
My point was, that I DON'T CARE.
Thank you for typing an endless description of your enamored journey through an X-book, but none of it matters. I have read it all on-page.
The point is, that Piotr's "artistic heart" have zero to do with qualifications for becoming a successful "Juggernaut" or not. He is, by far, one of the least fitting powerhouses for a Cyttorak enchantment. By far, one of the least power-slinging, havok-creating, infamous, destruction-loving, extroverted, unrestrained characters to EVER lift 100 tons.
I can tell you like the character, so I will not sling too much mud, because I can respect that. But, if you are going to place yourself on the line, attempting to justify Piotr's placement in the crimson armor, you will eventually run across a comic book "aficionado" that is going to be less than civil.
Whether you want to admit it or not, Piotr is not a good fit.
Whether you want to admit it or not, you do not seem to understand the way Cyttorak has been written for decades. He cares nothing for subtle nuances, deeper meanings, or even sacrifice. Even if you feel that is what he is thinking, you are expressing an opinion that is moving in the opposite direction from what has been on-panel.
If there has ever been a "God" that smiles upon "the bully", "the braggart", "the obnoxious", "the unrestrained" and "the irresponsible", it is Cyttorak.
You are wrong in your allusions that Cyttorak tries to attain "souls", innocent or other. He does not claim to be a "Devil". He simply wants the cosmos to know of his vast power. To worship him for THAT and that alone.
Agreed Cyt isn't good or evil. Such connotations he does not care for. If a juggernaut decided to launch a crusade in the name of good on a whim and absolutely dominate all foes Cytt would be fine with that. Of course once the dust settled and Juggs won Cytt would probably want him to turn around and crush the side he was on.
One last rant with Colossus, will Marvel please decide? Does he contain energy or does he bleed?
Classic Colossus has no blood in his metal form. then he bleeds facing hellverine if i am not mistaken. He bleeds vs Kuurth and then he is made of energy when he gets blasted by the Celestial in uncanny 1, right before he heals instantly into his 1st juggernaut mode. Then vs Rulk he bleeds again when he is depowering.
All these artistic inconsistencies really make it hard to judge Colossus on vs boards.
Normal Colossus tanks a punch from serpent/cyttorak kuurth, gladiator and Hulk, then Jugernaut/Colo gets his skull cracked by serpent only Kuurth. Jugs Colossus trips into a pile of snow and gets ko'ed or stunned. Normal Colossus stalemates rulk then demon Colossus (yes he was depowering but the art should have been handled better) bleeds with a punch. It says Kuurth is stronger and more powerful then Colossus while Colossus is throwing him around like a rag doll. Art says one thing, common sense says the other.
Originally posted by nwg202
One last rant with Colossus, will Marvel please decide? Does he contain energy or does he bleed?Classic Colossus has no blood in his metal form. then he bleeds facing hellverine if i am not mistaken. He bleeds vs Kuurth and then he is made of energy when he gets blasted by the Celestial in uncanny 1, right before he heals instantly into his 1st juggernaut mode. Then vs Rulk he bleeds again when he is depowering.
All these artistic inconsistencies really make it hard to judge Colossus on vs boards.
Normal Colossus tanks a punch from serpent/cyttorak kuurth, gladiator and Hulk, then Jugernaut/Colo gets his skull cracked by serpent only Kuurth. Jugs Colossus trips into a pile of snow and gets ko'ed or stunned. Normal Colossus stalemates rulk then demon Colossus (yes he was depowering but the art should have been handled better) bleeds with a punch. It says Kuurth is stronger and more powerful then Colossus while Colossus is throwing him around like a rag doll. Art says one thing, common sense says the other.
Originally posted by Horrificus
He's the biggest 'Mo in Marvel Comics.
nah. he's not the problem, it's the editors who don't really do their jobs. How easy would it be to make a memo telling their artists, Colossus does not bleed? but in fairness this type of mistakes can be seen in a lot of comics.
Cain for all his supposed invulnerablity gets knocked on his knees quite a bit too.....the powerset of a juggernaut is really hard to write since he isn't supposed to get hurt. so people tend to take that too literal sometimes. The specter and galactus get hurt....
Originally posted by SuperiorTechAs ridiculous as it sounds, there are feats to back it up.
I remember someone claiming Juggernaut was more durable than Galactus.
Look at how many times thor hurt galactus, and compare it to how many times he hurt juggernaut.
In fact almost all the blows with mljonir thor has ever hurt galactus with wouldnt even hurt classic juggs.
