Sentry vs Lord Marvell

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
The character isn't the problem. He was, imho, incredibly contrived and ill-conceived at best, and at worst, the very definition of what people would call a "Gary Stu", but the character in of itself, while far from being liked by myself and others, isn't really what sparks the heated debates.

This.

Him and Squirrel Girls are the only two characters I flat out hate.

And I don't mean "the Joker is a complete monster!" hate or "that guy is too much of a goody two shoes" hate. I'm talking flat, disgusted, "how could you ever do this" hate, I'm talking "What Quesada did to Spider-man" hate.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Judging by your other posts you are an Internet-Tough-Guy.

However.
There are two ways the fight can go:

1. Lord Mar-Vell is facing a Sentry, who is in a weak condition and has few doubts. He wouldn't go instantly down, but Lord Mar-Vell would have the upper hand for sure, since I see him having a greater energy output by will. He will bring the Sentry out of concept, harm him badly, but that would just call out the Void and then Lord Mar-Vell would have some serious problems.

I don't see him winning against someone with the ability to tank more damage then Lord Mar-Vell can dish out. Additionally to that there is the high level matter manipulation, powerful empathy and other gimmicks like that.
I see the Void one-shotting Nova and for Nova, he would probably need few more attacks, but Silver Surfer would go down aswell.

2. The other way around would be a sane Sentry, who was more then once capable of defeating the Void, so his powerlevel was even huger then the Voids. Additionally to that he has a much more versatile powerset then Lord Mar-Vell and probably at least the same energy output. They're both planet busters at least (even more without a doubt), but Mar-Vell does not have Sentry's versatility, which would come in a good fight at handy.

Mar-Vell had problems dealing with Thanos and his sheer strenght, while Sentry theoretically has the needed powers to deal with something like that, thanks to his matter manipulation.

I'm also not sure if Lord Mar-Vell's magic would help him a lot, since Dr. Strange already stated that Sentry was always too powerful for black magic / maybe even magic overall, since even classic Dr. Strange was written being unable to defeat the Void during the early years, so they always had to find a different way to get rid of him: mind-wiping.

Yeah, one-shotting Silver Surfer's board with a blast is impressive, but Sentry also destroyed a cosmic weapon. Terrax' axe. While Terrax is nowhere near Silver Surfer's powerlevel, does that automatically go for their cosmic weapons aswell? Is Silver Surfer's board less destroyable then Terrax' axe? I don't know that and would be glad if someone could clear me up.

However, in the end, I see there a difference, because Mar-Vell used an energy blast to destroy the board, while Sentry used sheer strenght to break the cosmic axe, and we all know that Marvel characters mostly tend to have greater energy levels, then strenght levels, so if all the cosmic weapons are equal, I would give that point to the Sentry.

In my explained opinion, Mar-Vell is in disadvantage in this one, but it would be a good fight, since they're both powerful. Sentry would get saved by his versatility. A high durability, nigh-invulnerability combined with regeneration and immortality, energy manipulation and telepathy would just come in handy. I know that Silver Surfer has these abilities too and judging by the feats, he stands above the Sentry without a doubt, but judging by the understandable power level, Sentry is above him. At least in my opinion.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Good post, but a few things badly wrong.

Well, I'm honestly looking forward to see your opinion, since I see Lord Mar-Vell as someone who has what it takes to also offer the Annihilators a fight, just the way the Sentry would be able to do it, in my opinion.
And if you let Lord Mar-Vell and Sentry clash, then you too will probably have an interesting opinion.

Originally posted by Enzeru
Well, I'm honestly looking forward to see your opinion, since I see Lord Mar-Vell as someone who has what it takes to also offer the Annihilators a fight, just the way the Sentry would be able to do it, in my opinion.
And if you let Lord Mar-Vell and Sentry clash, then you too will probably have an interesting opinion.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Marvell would do more than offer the Annihilators a fight, he'd destroy them going by how easily he dealt with Surfer/Nova at once plus his other feats.

true...then we see thanos treat mar-vell like a little girl...shows how powerful he really is now

and enzeru...how do u think that fight would play out thanos vs sentry...just wondering

How is getting pwned by someone who Odin struggled to put down a sign of weakness?

Originally posted by cdtm
How is getting pwned by someone who Odin struggled to put down a sign of weakness?

Struggled?

Originally posted by Stoic
Struggled?

Struggled. Odin outright claimed he'd never had such a hard time putting someone down (Likely meaning mortals, as he obviously struggled more with elder gods..)

Originally posted by cdtm
How is getting pwned by someone who Odin struggled to put down a sign of weakness?

wait what?...its not i was just showing how strong thanos is now

Originally posted by bbrem123
and enzeru...how do u think that fight would play out thanos vs sentry...just wondering

Haha! People who are narrow-minded will now have some serious problems with my answer...

(Keep in mind that I'm not talking about the Avatar of Death - Thanos)

Sentry would have in this fight few advantages in terms of defense. Speed and intangibility are the main defenses probably. He can also turn invisible, but I don't know if that would do him any good, since I see Thanos being able to ignore that somehow.

Thanos fears Dr. Doom, yet Dr. Doom had some massive problems with the Sentry in the past. I'm not saying that means much, but even Dr. Doom decided to study Sentry to learn something about him, but even when he was wearing the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, Sentry walked through the force fields and took him down.

In their first encounter he walked through the force fields, like they were nothing too.
He went through Reed Richards stasis fields to and Reed was amazed.
So Thanos would probably not be able to soak much of the damage through his shields.
I would say that Sentry is physically a lot stronger then Thanos and as I mentioned it above, their speed difference is huge. Sentry could take the fight up to a speed rate, where Thanos couldn't keep up.

He can't really BFR the Sentry, who could simply teleport back, since he can detect auras. Of course, Thanos should be able to have something against the Aura Detection, since Noah-Varr also had a device for it, but that wouldn't be the way to go, when it comes to actually winning a battle, since BFR is only something for the girls.

But Thanos is a lot smarter then the Sentry. Give him prep time and together with his technology he will find a way to take the Sentry down.
In a random encounter, he would have some serious problems, because of Sentry's speed and and defense advantage.

The best way out for Thanos would be a complete stalemate, since I personally don't see a way for him to take Sentry down, who could simply regenerate, if Thanos would manage to hit / harm him, at least with energy attacks, which Sentry basically never bothered in the past. And if he manages to kill the Sentry, the Sentry returns and the party starts all over.

And I'm not all too sure about telepathy. I'm always saying that Sentry is immune to telepathy, since powerful telepaths already needed his permission to get into his mind. For example Emma Frost, who then built a White Room in his mind and when she tried to enter the White Room again to save the X-Men who were attacked by the Sentry, she needed Xavier's help and with combined efforts they managed to enter that White Room again, where Emma got attacked by the Void and was forced to stay for quite a while in her crystal form to avoid a complete takeover by the Void. I'm not sure if Thanos would be able to penetrate Sentry's mind and what then would happen if he would face the Void.

haha nice post...yea people will have problems with that...not me but i can see it already..."no way sentry has a chance" thanos wins spite

Fear Doom?

Can someone get me scans of the original statement because I could have sworn Thanos said something more like he keeps an eye on Doom or is cautious of Doom. Not that he fears him.

sentry made classic strange shit his pants...he wins this

I wouldn't use defeating the Void as a showing for the Sentry, really. When Rob is feeling good about himself, the Void's purpose in their confrontations is to be a terrifying enemy for the Sentry to defeat. The Void is also the way Rob's sub-conscious processes thing things he (ahem) avoids facing through his escapist superhero existence.

OTOH, the Void does bare mention in so far as he illustrated what Rob is capable of when not restrained by things like compassion or his own self-image.

Sentry.

Originally posted by Enzeru
What does that matter?

Because of the inverted commas, you are already trolling, because you do not understand the basic concept of the Sentry character:
Imagine me coming along and trying to teach you about Superman. What would you think about that? It's basically the exact same thing right now.

You claimed yesterday, that you know more about Superman than everyone on Comicvine and here and so on combined. If you say so, it may be possible. Maybe you have an fetish for the character, I'm totally fine with that and I would probably respect your opinion in the end, if you consider yourself the Superman expert.

But the same applies for the Sentry and me. You claimed that you read everything with the Sentry in. I did that too, but I also made sure, that I basically know EVERYTHING about him, about every single appearance he ever had. I didn't only read about it, I thought about it and I know the character. All the people on Comicvine, CBR, Killermovies and so on don't know more about the Sentry than I do.

I am a Sentry fan, basically a fanboy, if you want to say so, but I'm still not a stupid, unrealistic person. I wouldn't put him above The One Above All and make him basically solo Marvel, DC and Imagine simoultaneously, but you're trying to make it look that way, simply because out of unexplainable grief.

Maybe you just hate me. I couldn't care less. Maybe you hate the entire Sentry character, because he was written very weird, from time to time. I could also care less. You lowball him, because you hate him and in the end, you don't know him. You never thought about the character, you never studied him. You maybe did it with Superman, but I did it with the Sentry and in the end, I know more about him then you do.

You can try to make a fool out of me for as long as you want, I will never give a damn, since you will always be acting out of biasm against the Sentry and his fans.

Once again. I'm not a raindrop - I don't worship Storm and put her above Galactus, because other raindrops believe she has the potential to become an Omega Level mutant.

I like the Sentry and I'm looking forward to the day of his return.
I acknowledge his powerlevel, which is vast, far beyond regular power houses, since that's how the character was created.
Jenkins decided that and he brought it into the Marvel Universe. He also brought in the mental problems of the character, which decreased Sentry's powerlevel.

I could show you sooo many proofs and try to convince you, that his powerlevel scales with his mental stability, yet you will never even bother to look at the scans and read the explanations, since your biasm will not disappear.

Comic readers who want to debate forum-fights have an opinion. They look at the names of the characters in the OP and they instantly know who they want to win. They enter the thread and write down their opinion and if someone tries to convince them otherwise, they deny simply everything and you're one of such people, narrow-minded and unable to accept new input. That is your problem.

My opinion is still that a stable Sentry ... where his power level would increase to a degree where he would be a planet buster, while vastly holding back - and also have so much more under his dispossal because of the matter manipulation, like: regeneration, healing, uber strenght, speed, durability, energy manipulation, emission and absorbtion, telepathy, empathy, teleportation, matter manipulation, invisibility, intangibility, super senses and so on ... would be a unstoppable character if written propperly, who would take down the Annihilators down, by taking out the weakest links without any real problems and then overpower Silver Surfer in the end too, because of his superior strenght and durability, which he showcased in his fights against Thor.

If you managed to read through all of this, then try to remember something: I already told you once, that you should simply let it be and that I will gladly admit everything you want, just to get rid of you, since you're acting like a child and talking to you it's like talking to a wall.

I already asked you: What do you think?

Everyone has his opinion, and if you have doubts, why did you create the thread in the first place? For me to come in, to say that Sentry stomps and then to trollo-lolol around?

Originally posted by Enzeru
Haha! People who are narrow-minded will now have some serious problems with my answer...

(Keep in mind that I'm not talking about the Avatar of Death - Thanos)

Sentry would have in this fight few advantages in terms of defense. Speed and intangibility are the main defenses probably. He can also turn invisible, but I don't know if that would do him any good, since I see Thanos being able to ignore that somehow.

Thanos fears Dr. Doom, yet Dr. Doom had some massive problems with the Sentry in the past. I'm not saying that means much, but even Dr. Doom decided to study Sentry to learn something about him, but even when he was wearing the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, Sentry walked through the force fields and took him down.

In their first encounter he walked through the force fields, like they were nothing too.
He went through Reed Richards stasis fields to and Reed was amazed.
So Thanos would probably not be able to soak much of the damage through his shields.
I would say that Sentry is physically a lot stronger then Thanos and as I mentioned it above, their speed difference is huge. Sentry could take the fight up to a speed rate, where Thanos couldn't keep up.

He can't really BFR the Sentry, who could simply teleport back, since he can detect auras. Of course, Thanos should be able to have something against the Aura Detection, since Noah-Varr also had a device for it, but that wouldn't be the way to go, when it comes to actually winning a battle, since BFR is only something for the girls.

But Thanos is a lot smarter then the Sentry. Give him prep time and together with his technology he will find a way to take the Sentry down.
In a random encounter, he would have some serious problems, because of Sentry's speed and and defense advantage.

The best way out for Thanos would be a complete stalemate, since I personally don't see a way for him to take Sentry down, who could simply regenerate, if Thanos would manage to hit / harm him, at least with energy attacks, which Sentry basically never bothered in the past. And if he manages to kill the Sentry, the Sentry returns and the party starts all over.

And I'm not all too sure about telepathy. I'm always saying that Sentry is immune to telepathy, since powerful telepaths already needed his permission to get into his mind. For example Emma Frost, who then built a White Room in his mind and when she tried to enter the White Room again to save the X-Men who were attacked by the Sentry, she needed Xavier's help and with combined efforts they managed to enter that White Room again, where Emma got attacked by the Void and was forced to stay for quite a while in her crystal form to avoid a complete takeover by the Void. I'm not sure if Thanos would be able to penetrate Sentry's mind and what then would happen if he would face the Void.

Sentry.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]Haha! People who are narrow-minded will now have some serious problems with my answer...

(Keep in mind that I'm not talking about the Avatar of Death - Thanos)

Sentry would have in this fight few advantages in terms of defense. Speed and intangibility are the main defenses probably. He can also turn invisible, but I don't know if that would do him any good, since I see Thanos being able to ignore that somehow

Thanos fears Dr. Doom,

yet Dr. Doom had some massive problems with the Sentry in the past

I'm not saying that means much, but even Dr. Doom decided to study Sentry to learn something about him, but even when he was wearing the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, Sentry walked through the force fields and took him down.

In their first encounter he walked through the force fields, like they were nothing too.
He went through Reed Richards stasis fields to and Reed was amazed.
So Thanos would probably not be able to soak much of the damage through his shields.

I would say that Sentry is physically a lot stronger then Thanos and as I mentioned it above, their speed difference is huge. Sentry could take the fight up to a speed rate, where Thanos couldn't keep up.

He can't really BFR the Sentry, who could simply teleport back, since he can detect auras. Of course, Thanos should be able to have something against the Aura Detection, since Noah-Varr also had a device for it, but that wouldn't be the way to go, when it comes to actually winning a battle, since BFR is only something for the girls.

But Thanos is a lot smarter then the Sentry. Give him prep time and together with his technology he will find a way to take the Sentry down.
In a random encounter, he would have some serious problems, because of Sentry's speed and and defense advantage.

The best way out for Thanos would be a complete stalemate, since I personally don't see a way for him to take Sentry down, who could simply regenerate, if Thanos would manage to hit / harm him, at least with energy attacks, which Sentry basically never bothered in the past. And if he manages to kill the Sentry, the Sentry returns and the party starts all over.

And I'm not all too sure about telepathy. I'm always saying that Sentry is immune to telepathy, since powerful telepaths already needed his permission to get into his mind. For example Emma Frost, who then built a White Room in his mind and when she tried to enter the White Room again to save the X-Men who were attacked by the Sentry, she needed Xavier's help and with combined efforts they managed to enter that White Room again, where Emma got attacked by the Void and was forced to stay for quite a while in her crystal form to avoid a complete takeover by the Void.

I'm not sure if Thanos would be able to penetrate Sentry's mind and what then would happen if he would face the Void.

And as for this thread Lord Marvell killed the cancerverse abstract Death itself, he kills Sentry.