Sentry vs Lord Marvell

Originally posted by Nihilist
Why because AOD Thanos would shit stomp him

And your point is? Pre-Retcon Beyonder would shit stomp the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Wow, big deal.

Originally posted by Nihilist
His speed in nothing Thanos hasnt dealt with before, Fallen One,Ganymede,Jack of Hearts and Captrain Marvell have all tried attacking Thanos at their flight speed and Ganymede tried speedblitzing him and failed hard.

Oh, you mean where Captain Marvel was hitting Thanos more then once and made one mistake, where he flew too slow and too low, so that Thanos managed to grab and stomp him? Yeah right.

Sentry used his speed more then once to actually bullrush / speedblitz enemies and in a well written fight, Thanos would not be able to keep up with Sentry's speed at all, period.
Thanos is not fast, super-speed is not a part of his power set, while super speed is a part of Sentry's power set. That speed (basically at least light speed) combined with insane strenght + the power to walk through shields = you know it, if you imagine what happens if someone as strong and as durable as the Sentry speeds up himself and circles the globe in few seconds, adds the impact force and bullrushs Thanos.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Total utter lie, he said he was one of the few earthmen he respects. Sentry had trouble with Blue Marvel. Thanos walked through Odins gungnir blasts, far more impressive.

1. Aren't you the one who is supposed to know a lot about Thanos, yet I have to teach you right now?
Thanos said that there are few people on the Earth he respects and that there are even fewer he kept under constant surveillance. He respects few of them and even fewer he watches on a regular basis. Because he respects them, huh? No, I don't think so.
Let me quote Thanos:
"There were few Earthmen I had any respect for and fewer still I kept under constant surveillance.
But DOCTOR DOOM was one of his world's towering intellects, a brilliant strategist and admirably ruthless."

2. Sentry didn't have problems with Blue Marvel. He went into the fight, was brawling it out, got suckerpunched into the orbit and already came back 3 panels later with a speedblitz that one-shotted Blue Marvel who was actually pretty fine before. The speedblitz was so fast that Blue Marvel couldn't even react to.

3. Yes, because Thanos overall did so well against Odin.

Originally posted by Nihilist
His shields stand up to Top tiers amped by the power gem and the likes of a well nourished Galactus have to exert themself to break through.

Wow, amazing!

1. Doctor Doom's shields / armor protected him from Thanos, who had the Infinity Gauntlet, yet Sentry walked through them and ripped apart his armor (multiple times).

2. Doctor Doom's shields protected him in the fight against Silver Surfer if I remember correctly and granted Doom the time to deal with the Surfer who then stated they were equals, yet Doom was always chanceless against Sentry, even when he was wielding the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, he got outmuscles by Sentry.

3. Doctor Doom's force fields protected him from being thrown out of Galactus ship by Big B himself and yet, it was never enough to deal with the Sentry. Doom decided to try to find a way to deal with the Sentry, but he was never able to find a way. The only instance where he slightly managed to do something was when he used a "simple spirit-reversal-spell", which confused Sentry, because he faced the Void, but at the same moment Iron Man yelled at Doom and told him to undo the spell, otherwise Sentry would have killed Doom.

4. Sentry also went through Reed Richards stasis fields and left the smartest man on Earth wondering about it.

I don't expect Thanos to have so much more luck with his force fields. Especially because Sentry can teleport past them (theoretically), or probably even simply bullrush through them. If he gets past the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, which can protect the host from supernovas, get's past additional force fields of Doctor Doom which can take shots from the Power Cosmic, then yeah ...

Originally posted by Nihilist
😂 alot stronger, care to back that up..come back when Sentry can physically beat to death someone Surfer lvl.

So you're judging Thanos strenght level by that instance? Spider-Man defeated Firelord, just the way Thanos defeated Silver Surfer. Is Spider-Man THAT strong? No, he is not.

Thanos had more then enough bad showings, which tell us that he is not regulary the guy who beats Silver Surfer to death without breaking a sweat. There was a good amount of PIS in that one.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Not that he would need to, he could force block him, which Thor with the Power gem couldnt get out of..and he can teleport.

Sentry > Thor. Everyone who can think knows that.

Thor has a good amount of versatility thanks to Mjolnir, but Thor too is damn slow, that's a fact many Thor-fans refuse to accept.
Sentry can react and act on speeds much higher then Thanos and Thor and Sentry has also the versatility.

Thanos would have to deal with at least planet shattering (which harmed him already) and even galaxy busting energies, before he could even think about a way to defeat the Sentry.
Thanos faced Mar-Vell more then once and while he was always doing more then good, Sentry had to deal with Genis-Vell and proved how much energy he was able to release. Basically enough destructive energy to outshine a microverse, because it was visible in the real world.
I could even say that he destroyed the microverse, since it was shining bright and in the next moment Genis-Vell came out and teleported Sentry away, who then found a way out of the second microverse.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Already dealt with the speed issue and going intangable on Thanos wont work as a far weaker Thanos clone was able to deal with the Vision going intangable in him with a simple gesture.

Yeah, because Vision is in the league of these guys, right?
You didn't deal with the speed issue at all. Thanos was not able to tag Captain Marvel at all and only managed to grab him when Mar-Vell made the mistake and flew too slow.
Thanos also got punched and punched by Thor and Thing and then attacked them from the distance after they knocked him away. Why didn't he block / dodge their attacks in the first place?

Thanos is not fast, deal with it.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So Thanos ep cant harm Sentry now 😂 a weaker pre death Thanos dropped Thor in 2 blasts and sent Galactus flying hundreds of feet through his own ship.

It's 0:08 AM here in Germany right now. Let me think for a while ... I'm trying to remember if Sentry ever had problems with energy based attacks in the past.

2 minutes are over and I'm still not sure. I think during the Dark Avengers Morgana killed him off with magic but his strenght / speed / durability were damn low during that arc, since he was in a man-child state of mind and therefore very weak.
In the Dark Avengers the Molecule Man also managed to overpower him twice via molecule manipulation, but hey then again, it's the Molecule Man who was shattering galaxies and various timelines during his fight with the Beyonder, after the retcon, and the only retcon the two characters ever had, which downgraded their powers, if I'm not all too wrong.
Yet you know who won in the end between Molecule Man and Sentry. If Molecule Man can't affect Sentry's molecules propperly, then Thanos won't be able to do it too.

Oh and once again: Sentry > Thor. Not by the feats, but by the power level, since Sentry is more powerful and also more versatile (if we ignore the fancy plot-hammer-moments from the 60'ties).

Oh and once again, Sentry > Thor. Not by feats, but by the power level / versatility (if we ignore all too fancy stuff of the plot-hammer, which happened only once during the 60'ties).

Originally posted by Nihilist
Thanos was on the verge of mind raping Galactus, he also destroyed Moondragon in a mind war the same Moondragon that enslaved a entire planet..and at one point she couldnt even see into his mind with the aid of the mind gem, thats how strong Thanos mind is. Thanos shut down a cube beings mind, so Sentrys wouldnt be a problem

I can gladly give you this one, but even then. If he gets into Sentry's mind, which he will probably not be able to do, because he would have far more problems, then trying to invade Sentry's mind ... HI @ SPEED DIFFERENCE ... HI @ I HIT YOU ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRY TO DO A COUNTER MOVE TROLLOLO-LOLOLOLO ... This is actually hyperbole right now, but you get the point.

Thanos would face the Void in Sentry's mind and then he would have to deal with an enemy who is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more ruthless then the Sentry, who isn't afraid of killing his enemies, if he doesn't see an other way around it.

Void > Thanos.

Originally posted by Enzeru
[B]And your point is? Pre-Retcon Beyonder would shit stomp the Post-Retcon Beyonder. Wow, big deal.

Oh, you mean where Captain Marvel was hitting Thanos more then once and made one mistake, where he flew too slow and too low, so that Thanos managed to grab and stomp him? Yeah right.

Sentry used his speed more then once to actually bullrush / speedblitz enemies and in a well written fight, Thanos would not be able to keep up with Sentry's speed at all, period.

Thanos is not fast, super-speed is not a part of his power set, while super speed is a part of Sentry's power set. That speed (basically at least light speed) combined with insane strenght + the power to walk through shields = you know it,

if you imagine what happens if someone as strong and as durable as the Sentry speeds up himself and circles the globe in few seconds, adds the impact force and bullrushs Thanos.

1. Aren't you the one who is supposed to know a lot about Thanos, yet I have to teach you right now?
Thanos said that there are few people on the Earth he respects and that there are even fewer he kept under constant surveillance. He respects few of them and even fewer he watches on a regular basis. Because he respects them, huh? No, I don't think so.
Let me quote Thanos:
"There were few Earthmen I had any respect for and fewer still I kept under constant surveillance.
But DOCTOR DOOM was one of his world's towering intellects, a brilliant strategist and admirably ruthless."

2. Sentry didn't have problems with Blue Marvel. He went into the fight, was brawling it out, got suckerpunched into the orbit and already came back 3 panels later with a speedblitz that one-shotted Blue Marvel who was actually pretty fine before. The speedblitz was so fast that Blue Marvel couldn't even react to.

3. Yes, because Thanos overall did so well against Odin.

Wow, amazing!

1. Doctor Doom's shields / armor protected him from Thanos, who had the Infinity Gauntlet, yet Sentry walked through them and ripped apart his armor (multiple times).

2. Doctor Doom's shields protected him in the fight against Silver Surfer if I remember correctly and granted Doom the time to deal with the Surfer who then stated they were equals, yet Doom was always chanceless against Sentry, even when he was wielding the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, he got outmuscles by Sentry.

3. Doctor Doom's force fields protected him from being thrown out of Galactus ship by Big B himself and yet, it was never enough to deal with the Sentry. Doom decided to try to find a way to deal with the Sentry, but he was never able to find a way. The only instance where he slightly managed to do something was when he used a "simple spirit-reversal-spell", which confused Sentry, because he faced the Void, but at the same moment Iron Man yelled at Doom and told him to undo the spell, otherwise Sentry would have killed Doom.

4. Sentry also went through Reed Richards stasis fields and left the smartest man on Earth wondering about it.

I don't expect Thanos to have so much more luck with his force fields. Especially because Sentry can teleport past them (theoretically),

or probably even simply bullrush through them.

If he gets past the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak, which can protect the host from supernovas, get's past additional force fields of Doctor Doom which can take shots from the Power Cosmic, then yeah ...

So you're judging Thanos strenght level by that instance? Spider-Man defeated Firelord, just the way Thanos defeated Silver Surfer. Is Spider-Man THAT strong? No, he is not.

Thanos had more then enough bad showings, which tell us that he is not regulary the guy who beats Silver Surfer to death without breaking a sweat. There was a good amount of PIS in that one.

Sentry > Thor. Everyone who can think knows that.

Thor has a good amount of versatility thanks to Mjolnir, but Thor too is damn slow, that's a fact many Thor-fans refuse to accept.
Sentry can react and act on speeds much higher then Thanos and Thor and Sentry has also the versatility.

Thanos would have to deal with at least planet shattering (which harmed him already)

and even galaxy busting energies, before he could even think about a way to defeat the Sentry.

Thanos faced Mar-Vell more then once and while he was always doing more then good, Sentry had to deal with Genis-Vell and proved how much energy he was able to release. Basically enough destructive energy to outshine a microverse, because it was visible in the real world.
I could even say that he destroyed the microverse, since it was shining bright and in the next moment Genis-Vell came out and teleported Sentry away, who then found a way out of the second microverse.

Yeah, because Vision is in the league of these guys, right?

You didn't deal with the speed issue at all.

Thanos was not able to tag Captain Marvel at all and only managed to grab him when Mar-Vell made the mistake and flew too slow.

Thanos also got punched and punched by Thor and Thing and then attacked them from the distance after they knocked him away. Why didn't he block / dodge their attacks in the first place?

Thanos is not fast, deal with it.

It's 0:08 AM here in Germany right now. Let me think for a while ... I'm trying to remember if Sentry ever had problems with energy based attacks in the past.

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minutes are over and I'm still not sure. I think during the Dark Avengers Morgana killed him off with magic but his strenght / speed / durability were damn low during that arc, since he was in a man-child state of mind and therefore very weak.
In the Dark Avengers the Molecule Man also managed to overpower him twice via molecule manipulation, but hey then again, it's the Molecule Man who was shattering galaxies and various timelines during his fight with the Beyonder, after the retcon, and the only retcon the two characters ever had, which downgraded their powers, if I'm not all too wrong.
Yet you know who won in the end between Molecule Man and Sentry. If Molecule Man can't affect Sentry's molecules propperly, then Thanos won't be able to do it too.

Oh and once again, Sentry > Thor. Not by feats, but by the power level / versatility (if we ignore all too fancy stuff of the plot-hammer, which happened only once during the 60'ties).

I can gladly give you this one, but even then. If he gets into Sentry's mind, which he will probably not be able to do, because he would have far more problems, then trying to invade Sentry's mind ... HI @ SPEED DIFFERENCE ... HI @ I HIT YOU ONE MILLION EXPLODING SUNS, BEFORE YOU CAN ACTUALLY TRY TO DO A COUNTER MOVE TROLLOLO-LOLOLOLO ... This is actually hyperbole right now, but you get the point.

Thanos would face the Void in Sentry's mind and then he would have to deal with an enemy who is far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far, far more ruthless then the Sentry, who isn't afraid of killing his enemies, if he doesn't see an other way around it.

Void > Thanos.

sentry wins

To be honest voids average showings put him beyond thanos. Void takes on multiple teams of heroes and villains at once and doesnt even notice them. The helicarrier was his lowest showing. We dont even know if it had any lasting effect either. It was just a plot device to make the Bob persona resurface.

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This is Sentry though, not Void. And mods want to separate the two for discussion purposes.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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This is Sentry though, not Void.

I kno haha...just wanted to address that point.

I hate arguing for sentry. He is all over the place with feats. Not worth the time when everbody focuses so much on his low end feats and calls all his high end pis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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This is Sentry though, not Void. And mods want to separate the two for discussion purposes.

oo yea...forgot about that too lol...thanks for reminding me 👆

Originally posted by bbrem123
I kno haha...just wanted to address that point.

I hate arguing for sentry. He is all over the place with feats. Not worth the time when everbody focuses so much on his low end feats and calls all his high end pis.

Sniper bullet vs Thor vs 1/5th universe destroying bomb? Gas station vs Superman vs red sun supernova? Bricks vs Surfer vs T&A?

Sentry's "low feats" actually have some context. The rest of it is mostly haterade.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I've always argued that Sentry isn't anymore all over the place than any other high herald.

Sniper bullet vs Thor vs 1/5th universe destroying bomb? Gas station vs Superman vs red sun supernova? Bricks vs Surfer vs T&A?

Sentry's "low feats" actually have some context. The rest of it is mostly haterade.

good point 👆

Originally posted by Nihilist
Could Sentry potentially kill all the Annihilators in 1 shot like Marvell almost did ?

And you created this thread to make Thanos seem more powerful. Clearly Sentry wins, but you need him to lose in order to use ABC logic for Thanos to win against Sentry. You are a trickster.

Sentry!!!! God Dammit!

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you crazy? Marvell didn't come close to killing anyone but Thanos.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
To be fair, Lord Mar-Vell did sorta wipe the floor with Nova Prime. He was unconscious and clearly at his mercy.

He gave him a good blow I admit but that's not the same as nearly killing the whole annihilation squad with one blow as dude said. What has he been smoking?

^ No argument there.

Originally posted by h1a8
He gave him a good blow I admit but that's not the same as nearly killing the whole annihilation squad with one blow as dude said. What has he been smoking?

Mar-vell almost killed them all when he exited and caused a huge red energy explosion. Quasar had to burrow and combine the energies from all the Annihilators (without their permission) in order to have enough power to shield everyone from the blast. If he hadn't done that, they would have been in big trouble.

^ ... this is also true. mhmm

Originally posted by h1a8
Are you crazy? Marvell didn't come close to killing anyone but Thanos.

And you created this thread to make Thanos seem more powerful. Clearly Sentry wins, but you need him to lose in order to use ABC logic for Thanos to win against Sentry. You are a trickster. [/B]

I don't know why people tend to cling to Thanos vs Lord Marvell. Marvell fought Thanos completely out of character...he went physical with Thanos. He didn't resort to that type of method when he fought everyone else and actually shielded himself against Nova while trying to go physical. He didn't blast at Thanos not once.

Marvell isnt a brick like character and doesn't have the fts proving this and if he fought Thanos like he fought Surfer, Nova, etc, there is no telling how Thanos would have faired.

Originally posted by Nihilist
AOD Thanos had no amp its still the same Thanos.

I never said that, just that there is a reason why Sentry wouldn't be able to defeat AOD Thanos once and for all.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You missed the whole part about other attacks at flight/light speed and blitzing at light speed an getting stopped and the Thanos that grabbed Marvell was a far weaker pre death Thanos.

What?
Thanos was fighting a regular Captain Marvel (who isn't really one of the most powerful Marvel superheroes) and he took every attack. He was not able to dodge, he was not able to block. When Marvel was flying too low and too slow, he managed to grab him.

Thanos is not fast, while Sentry is. I can't remember even ONE SINGLE INSTANCE, where Sentry was not able to deal with the speed of his enemies. He was always the one, who had that advantage.
The only instance would be where he got outskilled by Hercules, but then again, Sentry wasn't even trying it in that "fight". He was clearly trying to talk it out.

Originally posted by Nihilist
He would as proven with his feats against Fallen One Jack of Haerts and Ganymede.
Super RELEXES are part of his power set as shown he he blocked point blank energy shots and blitzes. 😂 this aint cbr son, and Sentry ahs NEVER once taken down anyone close to Thanos lvl period.

Super REFLEXES are the part of many high level brawlers. Take Thor as an example. He also has Super REFLEXES, yet he was not able to prevent Sentry's speedblitz in die midair, nor was he able to prevent Sentry from bullrushing through Asgard and taking the entire city down, nor was he able to protect his brother, when the Void attacked him.
Void and Sentry are simply operating on a higher speed than Thanos and Thor.

It doesn't matter if Sentry never faced Thanos-like opponents. He proved that he has the abilities to compete with them and to even surpass them. An immense energy level output, which was shattering planets (not just one), while he was still holding back, and when he cut loose, the energy was destroying everything around him.

He either matter manipulated the crap out of the Absorbing Man, who absorbed an amount of Sentry's power, or he got simply overloaded by the Sentry, choose what you want, both scenarios would be impressive, yet I see it was matter manipulation, because Sentry said that Absorbing Man was dissolving into atoms and finally into solar wind. You know what Sentry's powers are mainly about? About light, yes.

That matter manipulation was also enough in the end to return back from the dead a second time and overpower the Molecule Man, whose molecule manipulation is probably far above Thanos', even after Molecule Man's retcon.

So what has Thanos in this fight?
Molecule Manipulation? No.
Illusions? Yes, if he makes Sentry believe that he won the fight.
Messing with Sentry's mind? Have fun with the Void, Thanos.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You aint teached me shit, i left out the whole part about keeping Doom under survveillance as it is a moot point as it called being smart not affraid even a retard could tell the difference between the 2.

Thanos is monitoring Doctor Doom the entire time. I'm sure he is not doing it because they're BBF, but because he always wants to know what Doom is up to. You know, the Doom who stole the Beyonders powers.

And it was still Doom who was not able to find out a way to bring the Sentry down. Just the way S.H.I.E.L.D. didn't know how to do it, Tony Stark didn't know how to do it, Reed Richards didn't know how to do it and Ultron didn't know how to do it, after the weird Helicarrier-instance.

What do you expect Thanos to pull off? We don't know if he can find a way to take the Sentry down. Assuming it would be just fanboy'ism.

Originally posted by Nihilist
*sigh* Yet another lie,BM was fighting Sentry and the Avengers at the same time, he then ko'd Sentry with a punch into orbit(sucker punch lol, BM was fighting Bob and Avengers at once). Sentry didnt blitz BM at all, he dive bombed him from space after he woke up, and that was a sucker attack a BM was still fighting the Avengers.

*sign* Blue Marvel was fighting Sentry. Who in the Avengers was in his league?
Ares? Got one-shotted.
Iron Man? Got one-shotted.
Wonder Man? Got one-shotted.

Blue Marvel was pushing them around, like they were nothing. When Sentry entered the battle, he was shedding Blue Marvel's blood and at the same time taking good hits, losing blood himself.
Blue Marvel BFR'ed him with a suckerpunch. Sentry was K.O., but it looked like he was it only for few seconds (something like that happens, for example in boxing, where the boxers still manage to get up).
He was away for 3 panels. What happened during that? The Avengers tried to reason with Blue Marvel and to hold him. He easily pushed them away. In the last scan he punched Iron Man, in the next scan you saw Sentry returning from the orbit and in the next scan you saw Iron Man going down and Sentry speedblitzing Blue Marvel into the ground, who was not able to react. I'm sure that even Blue Marvel has some kind of your infamous Super REFLEXES, yet he was not able to react.

He was perfectly fine before, yet he got knocked out, after that speedblitz, while Sentry was still standing. It should be logical, that he took a good amount of the impact too, since he rammed Blue Marvel and the ground. He took the damage too, yet he was the one who was still standing.

Sentry > Blue Marvel.

Originally posted by Nihilist
lol Thanos didnt even try to kill Doom he only warned him and lmfao if you think Sentrys power is comparable to that of the IG.

Well, now you're just being silly, dude and once again I'm the one who is providing you with moments from Thanos life. Let me quote the narration, when Doom tried to take the Gauntlet:

"Such greed always creates it's own reward ... Doom tastes the bitter nectar of Thanos's wrath ... Fortunately, his armor's defensive systems save him from suffering total defeat and destruction ... But once again a valuable lesson goes unappreciated."

Doom tasted Thanos' wrath. Doesn't sound like Thanos only wanted to warm him, or do you really thing they're BBF? FORTUNATELY, Doom got saved by the defensive systems of his armor and yet again, he was still too greedy in the end and wanted to have the Gauntlet.

Stop lying.

Originally posted by Nihilist
You act as if the cytorrak bands are something special, Namor has torn through them before

Stronger characters then Namor were not able to do it. It also depends who wears the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak. I'm pretty sure that Namor would not have been able to do it, if Doctor Doom was wielding them.

Doom faced the entire Avengers, who had physically stronger members then Thanos and yet Sentry was the one who dealt with Doctor Doom, once again.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just a bullshit theory, sorry but you have to have proof not just hope and speculation. It took power gem weilders several hits, Sentry isnt doing so. Like is said Namor make light work of the crimson bands and big deal about taking shots from power cosmic Thanos took a all out blast from Surfer and just smiled.

Bla, don't even bring Namor into the debate. That guy managed to push Sentry away once, who was still in a weak manchild-like condition and after that he got only humiliated by Sentry.
Emma Frost and Xavier reffered to Sentry as God. Not a God, they called him God and had to find a different way to get rid of him.