Originally posted by JakeTheBank
None of what you posted is equal to Superman's heat vision at maximum power, let alone directed at Hulk's head for an hour.
Why isn't it? Human torch went Nova on him. Temperatures hotter than the core of the Sun. Then let's not forget this.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh019.jpg
Hulk was submerged in heats that were described as being hotter than a million suns and he withstood it for an entire fight. Heat doesn't work on Hulk...at all. Heat Vision is powerful, I agree...but Hulk durability is more powerful.
Originally posted by carver9
Why isn't it? Human torch went Nova on him. Temperatures hotter than the core of the Sun. Then let's not forget this.http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh019.jpg
Hulk was emerged in heats that were described as being hotter than a million suns and he withstood it for an entire fight. Heat doesn't work on Hulk...at all. Heat Vision is powerful, I agree...but Hulk durability is more powerful.
Because if Torch really did go all out on Hulk, he'd have set the ozone layer ablaze. Hellfire sears the soul and is a mystic means of attack.
If you really think Hulk no sold the heat of a million suns, you need professional help. Leave the hyperbole at home.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulks healing factor was tampered with that entire fight and Scott blast is MUCH more than just an heat based attack.What else do you have?
It's not portrayed as heat at all, traditionally.
It's concussive force.
Superman's heat vision also boasts massive concussive force if he lays it on.
Either way, I hope you're not trying to, in a round about way, argue Scott's optic blast > Superman's heat vision.
Originally posted by Existere
Not that Scott's optic blasts are, you know, heat-based...
It has nothing to do with the heat. It's the amount of damage I had in mind.
Originally posted by carver9
Hulks healing factor was tampered with that entire fight and Scott blast is MUCH more than just an heat based attack.
What else do you have?
Superman is capable of inflicting more damage than that.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Because if Torch really did go all out on Hulk, he'd have set the ozone layer ablaze. Hellfire sears the soul and is a mystic means of attack.If you really think Hulk no sold the heat of a million suns, you need professional help. Leave the hyperbole at home.
It was stated on panel Human Torch went Nova.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/confirmationoftorchnova.jpg
Stop using real world logic for a comic book Jake. We all know better than this.
I believe Sentry went all out on Hulk and His heat based attack did crap.
Originally posted by Enzeru
It has nothing to do with the heat. It's the amount of damage I had in mind.Superman is capable of inflicting more damage than that.
Lol...a full power blast from Scott has as of yet to be measured. The only quote we have on how powerful a full powered blast from Scott was during the time he used it against Juggernaut and it was stated as being powerful enough to rip a planet in half.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's not portrayed as heat at all, traditionally.It's concussive force.
Superman's heat vision also boasts massive concussive force if he lays it on.
Either way, I hope you're not trying to, in a round about way, argue Scott's optic blast > Superman's heat vision.
Never said that.
Superman heatvision never did what Scott heat vision has done. Didn't Scott bfr Gorgon (Blackbolts Gorgon) from New York to Georgia that located in another continent? Superman concussive force doesn't match that at all and Scott was holding back.
As for the heat part, Superman heat vision by far is hotter but like I stated before, Hulk healing factor was being tampered with during the time on numerous of occasions and that was more than mere heat Scott was attacking him with.
Originally posted by carver9
It was stated on panel Human Torch went Nova.http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Hulk/confirmationoftorchnova.jpg
Stop using real world logic for a comic book Jake. We all know better than this.
I believe Sentry went all out on Hulk and His heat based attack did crap.
You're being ridiculous, Carv.
Nova from Johnny <<<< full powered no holding back heat vision burst from Superman. The fact he can directly use his heat vision beyond the epidermis and can directly attack the brain must also not mean anything.
I'm not using real world logic, I'm using the comic book logic which is based off of psuedo-real world logic and science. And Johnny can't go all out less he potentially set the world on fire. He can come close and can go all out as far as going just short of destroying the ozone layer, but that's it and that's been a Fantastic Four factoid for years.
Sorry, Sentry never displayed the power of one exploding sun, let alone millions. Don't use your scans as evidence that Hulk can legitimately endure that kind of hyperbolic power, because we know he can't.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
You're being ridiculous, Carv.Nova from Johnny <<<< full powered no holding back heat vision burst from Superman. The fact he can directly use his heat vision beyond the epidermis and can directly attack the brain must also not mean anything.
I'm not using real world logic, I'm using the comic book logic which is based off of psuedo-real world logic and science. And Johnny can't go all out less he potentially set the world on fire. He can come close and can go all out as far as going just short of destroying the ozone layer, but that's it and that's been a Fantastic Four factoid for years.
Sorry, Sentry never displayed the power of one exploding sun, let alone millions. Don't use your scans as evidence that Hulk can legitimately endure that kind of hyperbolic power, because we know he can't.
OMG...Jake, "its stated on panel Human Torch went Nova". What more do you want? It was never stated that he held back...hell, it was stated he "wasn't" going to hold back and was there to drop him. HT used so much power against Hulk that he koed himself. He wasn't holding back JAKE.
Stop applying real world logic to a comic book.
I feel pretty much safe to say that Sentry is more powerful than Supes, especially his energetic powers that were described as being capable of destroying worlds (while holding hack).
If Sentry going all out was unable to damage Hulk with heat based attacks...I can't see Superman doing any different with heat vision.
Originally posted by carver9
So you can show me Superman heat vision knocking someone from one continent to another?I'll he waiting.
Superman's heat vision can extend to the moon and literally cannot be measured by any scientific means in the DCU and they're able to measure the temperature of the sun. He's broken through barriers Green Lanterns couldn't with his heat vision, powered huge engines capable of moving planets, etc.
His vision absolutely shits on Cyclops.
Re: Superman heat vision
From my understanding, Superman's heat vision drains his endurance the most out of all his powers. At it's peak, it's undoubtedly a high herald level energy blast but it's power output drops from that point.
Everyone besides Wonder Woman and I guess Black Adam could withstand the initial assault which is the worst. Their durability should hold up for the rest of the hour from that point. All would be hurting, some worse than others.
If the intent is for the character's listed to survive a full power dose for an extended time, then few if any survive.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Cyclops doesn't have heat vision
http://comicwallpaper.net/images/wallpapers/Cyclops%20Marvel%20Comics-934005.jpeg
Originally posted by carver9
OMG...Jake, "its stated on panel Human Torch went Nova". What more do you want? It was never stated that he held back...hell, it was stated he "wasn't" going to hold back and was there to drop him. HT used so much power against Hulk that he koed himself. He wasn't holding back JAKE.Stop applying real world logic to a comic book.
I feel pretty much safe to say that Sentry is more powerful than Supes, especially his energetic powers that were described as being capable of destroying worlds (while holding hack).
If Sentry going all out was unable to damage Hulk with heat based attacks...I can't see Superman doing any different with heat vision.
Duh, he went all out as safely as he could. But it's common knowledge that if Johnny truly just said "eff it" and went to his maximum temp, he could very easily set the o-zone on fire. It's been a recurring plot point in the comics themselves. The fact that he didn't set the o-zone on fire is proof that he didn't use his 100% maximum level of power ever. He used a lot of firepower, obviously, but seeing as Marvel Earth is still around, not his full disposal.
I'm not.
Depending on the period of time you're citing his feats from, sure. Superman can destroy worlds as well (while holding back).
Sentry didn't pour forth all of his energy and directed at Hulk's head for an hour, either.
