Originally posted by carver9
😂I understand the point you are making but like I've stated, Scott heat Vision has damaged high end beings...he can replicate the ft.
How far did Superman drill?
In your opinion.
The centre of the Earth apparently.
For the record, I think most highly durable beings (Thor, Superman, Surfer etc.) would tank Cyclop's energy attacks in modern continuity.
Originally posted by carver9Adeventures of Superman #618
😂I understand the point you are making but like I've stated, Scott heat Vision has damaged high end beings...he can replicate the ft.
How far did Superman drill?
Holding a small piece of a white dwarf star (apparently weighing like 100 tons or something), Superman drilled to the center of the earth with heat vision and then proceeded to rapidly heat and cool the star shard in order to simulate gravity across the earth, as Mxy has turned it off.
So yeah, pretty much on par with taking out a Sentinel, amirite? mmm
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Gladiator is also significantly inferior to Superman, so any semblance of a point you were trying to make is lost. Superman has better heat vision feats than Gladiator and he wouldn't have been merced like Glads was, either.WTF. Lobo and Grundy are pretty powerful beings so them breaking GL constructs don't, as a result, make constructs weak.
Well, they were designed to move planets, so I'd imagine a lot.
I'm not impressed by GL constructs. They get broken through on a regular basis.
Even though they were designed to move planets doesn't mean that it takes a lot of power to start it up.
How much power was required to start the engines? Sentry held the cosmic cube. How much power did it take to do that?
Originally posted by Existere
Adeventures of Superman #618Holding a small piece of a white dwarf star (apparently weighing like 100 tons or something), Superman drilled to the center of the earth with heat vision and then proceeded to rapidly heat and cool the star shard in order to simulate gravity across the earth, as Mxy has turned it off.
So yeah, pretty much on par with taking out a Sentinel, amirite? mmm
Never said that Superman couldn't drill through Earth. A lot of beings are capable of doing this and Scott is one of them. I would put Superman heat vision over "any" man made drill.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In your opinion.The centre of the Earth apparently.
For the record, I think most highly durable beings (Thor, Superman, Surfer etc.) would tank Cyclop's energy attacks in modern continuity.
Tank? In the beginning they would feel it imo but then they would power through it.
Originally posted by Existere
Adeventures of Superman #618Holding a small piece of a white dwarf star (apparently weighing like 100 tons or something), Superman drilled to the center of the earth with heat vision and then proceeded to rapidly heat and cool the star shard in order to simulate gravity across the earth, as Mxy has turned it off.
So yeah, pretty much on par with taking out a Sentinel, amirite? mmm
Don't forget about the time he sealed up a rift in space...
Or half a rift, as Orion and his Astro Force were handling the other half.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman, Hulk, Surfer, Black Bolt, Shaman Nate Grey and a slew of other characters would take the majority over Gladiator.
In your opinion buddy. I think Gladiator would do much better than what Wonder Woman did during Sacrifice against an amped Superman. Every fight Gladiator has had with Black Bolt ended with him whispering in Gladiator ears.
Surfer would get worked.
Hulk would beat him but I don't consider Hulk a Herald.
Nate Grey...I agree.
So basically, I disagree with 50% of your stance.
Cyclops can bust a small planet with his optic blast
http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/cyclops-vs-spider-man-10526.jpg
Originally posted by carver9
Sentry admitted he went all out...again, what more proof do you need? Another thing...Sentry NEVER displayed that type of power after his fight against WWH. Sentry wasn't pulling any strings.
Are you trying to teach me about the Sentry ?_?
I already gave you the advice to check out the "Superman VS Sentry" thread to learn more about Sentry's power output, but since it's you, I will paste / copy 1/3 of the text here:
Originally posted by EnzeruHowever, there were other writers, like for example Nicieza who was written the Sentry as actually very powerful. He too probably understood the concept of the character, since there was not a single moment which hinted out that Sentry was in a weak condition, so he let the Sentry go full out and now you should look very carefully at the scans and also read my words:
http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/2320/newthunderbolts014page0.jpg
On this scan you see them starting with the fight and Sentry is unsure about it, since he does not want to harm the planet. Photon then teleports them away.
http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
You see them fighting in the Microverse and you see the golden sun-like energy escaling, Sentry's power release. They start destroying the entire area while fighting and still holding back, since Captain America is down there aswell.
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
Photon then teleports Captain America away and Sentry and Photon are totally alone in the subatomic microverse and start releasing more power, while they're fighting.
http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
And now pay good attention at the scan. Do you see what is happening? The first small panel shows huge amounts of Sentry's power being visible while he is in a microverse, which is subatomic, as you can judge it by the atoms and the molecules. The second small pannel shows their exact position - the position of the microverse, which is near Iron Man's armor. You see Sentry's golden energy being visible in the real universe, while he and Photon are in the Microverse.
It's basically ...
Universe = Microverse (Universe but in microscopic) ... of course we don't know how huge the microverse exactly was, but through the fact that we can see Sentry's power in the regular universe, while he is in a microverse, is pretty damn huge and puts him far above a planet buster. Far above.
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/8394/newthunderbolts014page1.jpg
In the next scan you see Photon teleporting Sentry and himself out of the microverse, out of the spot where they were on Iron Man's armor and crushing Iron Man in the process and you see Photon's power display, which is crystallish blue, while Sentrys was golden-fiery and was visible from the microverse.
Then you see Photon teleporting Sentry back to a microverse again and stating, that it will be too late when he gets out of the microverse. Can Sentry escape out of the microverse all by himself? Or is Photon going to release him, when they're gone? After that display, I don't even think that something like that matters anymore, since you saw Sentry's power level now.
Also basically the very first time where he had the chance to release a serious amount of energy, while in the past there was never an instance where he could have been able to release that much power, without destroying the Earth, since he was always an Earth bound hero.
Originally posted by carver9OK Carver boy. So Superman did this in about a page. Do you think it's reasonable to estimate that Scott could use his optic blasts to drill from the surface of the earth to the core in a page?
Never said that Superman couldn't drill through Earth. A lot of beings are capable of doing this and Scott is one of them. I would put Superman heat vision over "any" man made drill.
Originally posted by carver9
In your opinion buddy. I think Gladiator would do much better than what Wonder Woman did during Sacrifice against an amped Superman. Every fight Gladiator has had with Black Bolt ended with him whispering in Gladiator ears.Surfer would get worked.
Hulk would beat him but I don't consider Hulk a Herald.
Nate Grey...I agree.
So basically, I disagree with 50% of your stance.
Superman would beat Gladiator, so would Surfer. It doesn't really matter what you think because those aren't arguments you'd win.
Sooooooo you agree that Black Bolt would beat Gladiator? For the record, that's only happened once.
Hulk is still a herald bar World Breaker or some shit.
You'd agree a 100% if you wanted to be completely correct.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Are you trying to teach me about the Sentry ?_?
I already gave you the advice to check out the "Superman VS Sentry" thread to learn more about Sentry's power output, but since it's you, I will paste / copy 1/3 of the text here:
I don't care about your scans. It was referenced that Sentry wasnt holding back "more than once". You showing me other fights doesn't take away from that.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/wwh010.jpg
Like I've stated before...Sentry never displayed power like he showed against WWH again. You hating that Hulk punched the juice out of him, sending him to the hospital doesn't take away from this, it just shows how badass Hulk is.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman would beat Gladiator, so would Surfer. It doesn't really matter what you think because those aren't arguments you'd win.Sooooooo you agree that Black Bolt would beat Gladiator? For the record, that's only happened once.
Hulk is still a herald bar World Breaker or some shit.
You'd agree a 100% if you wanted to be completely correct.
Superman wouldn't beat Gladiator.
Surfer wouldn't beat him either. I know its not Canon but their encounter is exactly how I think the fight would play out.
Yes, I agree Black Bolt could beat Gladiator and by the way, BlackBolt did that twice.
Whatever Rage.
Originally posted by carver9
Superman wouldn't beat Gladiator.Surfer wouldn't beat him either. I know its not Canon but their encounter is exactly how I think the fight would play out.
Yes, I agree Black Bolt could beat Gladiator and by the way, BlackBolt did that twice.
Whatever Rage.
Like I said, it matters very little what you think, Superman/Surfer would beat Gladiator. These aren't arguments you could possibly win, disagreeing is just setting yourself up for a fall.
I'm just giving you some advice.
